Another shooting, Albuquerque this time

Started Jan 20, 2013 | Discussions thread
Chato Forum Pro • Posts: 46,027
Re: There are very strong links between gun availability and violence

boggis the cat wrote:

Chato wrote:


Chato wrote:


Chato wrote;

And not a random shooting. Kid could have used a baseball bat, but that wouldn't make the news.

However, this is one of the biggest MYTHS out there regarding gun violence.

Ie: that the perpetrator would have used "other means" IF guns were not available.

There is NO data or evidence to suggest that IF guns were not easily available...that these shooting spree killers would have indeed used other methods to kill.

Other than the fact that 40 percent of US homicides are not done with fireams, you are absolutely right.

That's a red-herring line of spin and you damn well know it.

That's a ​fact​ and you damn well know that. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't change ​facts.

Unless you are suggesting that perpetrators of mass murders would have been just as lethal if they used knives, rocks, etc. then it seems that the efficient lethality of firearms is an important issue.

What's the difference? Killing fifty people in one's and two's or killing them at once? These are all the acts of lunatics.

There's no direct correlation (linkage) between that stat...and the actual shooter-spree killers at all.

If we deleted mass murders from our statistics, there would be no change in our statisitics.

You could never build a case on this line of thinking.

You don't have a line of thinking, simply mindless repititions of your paranoia.

You should look up comparative data on murder between different nations. There is a very strong link between higher availability of firearms and higher murder rate, firearms and violent offences against women and children, firearms and public incidence of violence and so on. Availability of weapons lowers the bar for those liable to resort to violence; and when they do resort to violence, firearms are the most effective at causing injury and death.

I have looked up the data. The Swiss have almost as many weapons as we do, and a murder rate half of that of Australia and England. Norway is another high gun country, and aside from Mr. Brevik, they too have a low murder rate.

1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).

2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

3. Across states, more guns = more homicide

4. Across states, more guns = more homicide

Harvard School of Public Health

Pretending this is otherwise does not make it so.

Fake data doesn't work either. With all due repect to a ​Poster​ whom I respect, that link is total garbage. Just Google "Homicide rates" in Wiki. And "gun ownership"


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