That's pretty much the opposite of what I use. Mine is set at 1 or 2 'clicks' anti clockwise from the stop at the other end. I can't focus on the EVF at all with my eyes when using your settings. Then again I don't wear glasses...
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I was in yet another camera store today (Vistek) looking at camera bags. While I was there, I checked out their GH3 on display. I had my camera too so I could A - B compare. Their camera was identical to mine as far as the viewfinder goes. I could see absolutely no difference between them.
I then checked out the Sony A77 since I've read rave reviews about how good the EVF is. While it was nice as far as brightness and resolution goes, it also had a narrow sweet spot which your eye must be centered on exactly. If I moved my eye slightly right or left, it would fade to a brownish tint with some distortion. I then pulled up the menu and looked at it in the EVF and it had the same smearing of text to the right and left like the GH3.
So, I think my GH3 is fine. I've never really used EVFs before so I wanted to see what what considered "normal". Maybe my having astigmatism has something to do with it too.
I then checked out the Sony A77 since I've read rave reviews about how good the EVF is. While it was nice as far as brightness and resolution goes, it also had a narrow sweet spot which your eye must be centered on exactly. If I moved my eye slightly right or left, it would fade to a brownish tint with some distortion. I then pulled up the menu and looked at it in the EVF and it had the same smearing of text to the right and left like the GH3.
So, I think my GH3 is fine. I've never really used EVFs before so I wanted to see what what considered "normal". Maybe my having astigmatism has something to do with it too.
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Just did some testing with my friends' FZ-150. I couldn't reproduce your results but I did notice that the distortion is way less at one end of the diopter scale then at the other. The end where it's quite good is where you are roughly at. The other end is what I use.
The apparent size of the image changes quite dramatically as well when the diopter is set at your end.
The confusion comes when comparing them to your image, there the distortion is quite high while it's almost gone on my camera.
Here are 2 pictures at either end of the diopter:
Unfortunately I cannot focus my eyes on the second image and have to use the first setting, with it's distortion and smearing. :/
The apparent size of the image changes quite dramatically as well when the diopter is set at your end.
The confusion comes when comparing them to your image, there the distortion is quite high while it's almost gone on my camera.
Here are 2 pictures at either end of the diopter:
Unfortunately I cannot focus my eyes on the second image and have to use the first setting, with it's distortion and smearing. :/
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jim - any chance you can directly answer the question?
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I get a clear image through my GH3 VF that is sharp and better than my E-M5 VF. If I move it to the left or right I do get smearing but I don't do that in shooting so this isn't an issue for me.
I also own a NEX-7 (which has a similar VF to the GH3) and moving that to the left and right produces far worse smearing than the GH3. So I'm satisfied there is nothing faulty about mine.
I also own a NEX-7 (which has a similar VF to the GH3) and moving that to the left and right produces far worse smearing than the GH3. So I'm satisfied there is nothing faulty about mine.
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Very interesting, it could well be that this accounts for the differences in opinions we've been seeing. If people who like/dislike the image they're seeing through the GH3 viewfinder could report the position their dioptre adjustment is set to then we could see how much of a correlation there is.
I suggest rating the viewfinder sharpness on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 = excellent, 1 = unusable) and the dioptre position as "number of clicks from the topmost position". The sharpness rating will be rather subjective, but it should be good enough to see whether there's a correlation with dioptre adjustment or not.
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Here is a quick video that shows my GH3 viewfinder:
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Great demo. Shows very clearly the importance of alignment.
I'd be very curious to see what happens when you move the diopter dial towards the other end and try that again. Assuming your copy is the same it should be quite a bit worse.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this issue isn't just academic for me - Depending on the situation I have genuine problems seeing what the camera has focused on.
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Just to clarify, your diopter is set as follows:Zoeff wrote:
I'd be very curious to see what happens when you move the diopter dial towards the other end and try that again. Assuming your copy is the same it should be quite a bit worse.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this issue isn't just academic for me - Depending on the situation I have genuine problems seeing what the camera has focused on.
Click up (counter-clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then click down (clockwise) 1 or 2 clicks.
I can try and do another video tomorrow with the diopter set that way.
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It's on the other end, so go clockwise until you hit the stop, then go a few clicks counter-clockwise. This is pretty much the opposite of what you use during general shooting.sea_dragon wrote:
Just to clarify, your diopter is set as follows:Zoeff wrote:
I'd be very curious to see what happens when you move the diopter dial towards the other end and try that again. Assuming your copy is the same it should be quite a bit worse.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this issue isn't just academic for me - Depending on the situation I have genuine problems seeing what the camera has focused on.
Click up (counter-clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then click down (clockwise) 1 or 2 clicks.
I can try and do another video tomorrow with the diopter set that way.
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LOL... I guess my clarification wasn't so clear.Zoeff wrote:
It's on the other end, so go clockwise until you hit the stop, then go a few clicks counter-clockwise. This is pretty much the opposite of what you use during general shooting.sea_dragon wrote:
Just to clarify, your diopter is set as follows:Zoeff wrote:
I'd be very curious to see what happens when you move the diopter dial towards the other end and try that again. Assuming your copy is the same it should be quite a bit worse.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this issue isn't just academic for me - Depending on the situation I have genuine problems seeing what the camera has focused on.
Click up (counter-clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then click down (clockwise) 1 or 2 clicks.
I can try and do another video tomorrow with the diopter set that way.
We are indeed at the same end of the diopter then.
I was counting from it's normal viewing position when I said "With the diopter in its normal position, I then click it downward until it hits the end for a total of 8 clicks."
Put a different way, I turn the diopter down (clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then I go 8 clicks up (counter-clockwise). So, we're really just 6 clicks away.
I thought something wasn't quite right because at the other end of the diopter (which we both are not near), it's a complete blurry mess.
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Am I missing something, I thought the diopter adjustment was to correct the evf and bring it image into focus for the user. Every ones eyesight is different therefor the adjustment will be different.sea_dragon wrote:
LOL... I guess my clarification wasn't so clear.Zoeff wrote:
It's on the other end, so go clockwise until you hit the stop, then go a few clicks counter-clockwise. This is pretty much the opposite of what you use during general shooting.sea_dragon wrote:
Just to clarify, your diopter is set as follows:Zoeff wrote:
I'd be very curious to see what happens when you move the diopter dial towards the other end and try that again. Assuming your copy is the same it should be quite a bit worse.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this issue isn't just academic for me - Depending on the situation I have genuine problems seeing what the camera has focused on.
Click up (counter-clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then click down (clockwise) 1 or 2 clicks.
I can try and do another video tomorrow with the diopter set that way.
We are indeed at the same end of the diopter then.
I was counting from it's normal viewing position when I said "With the diopter in its normal position, I then click it downward until it hits the end for a total of 8 clicks."
Put a different way, I turn the diopter down (clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then I go 8 clicks up (counter-clockwise). So, we're really just 6 clicks away.
I thought something wasn't quite right because at the other end of the diopter (which we both are not near), it's a complete blurry mess.
Just for the record, I come from a GH2 which I am keeping and think the GH3 evf is clearer and better, especially at the sides. I also wear verifocal glasses.
Your first explanation still doesn't make sense to me if it's only 6 clicks away, but I'll assume we really are 6 clicks away from each other. That's quite interesting because it makes the difference between our photographs more puzzling.sea_dragon wrote:
LOL... I guess my clarification wasn't so clear.Zoeff wrote:
It's on the other end, so go clockwise until you hit the stop, then go a few clicks counter-clockwise. This is pretty much the opposite of what you use during general shooting.sea_dragon wrote:
Just to clarify, your diopter is set as follows:Zoeff wrote:
I'd be very curious to see what happens when you move the diopter dial towards the other end and try that again. Assuming your copy is the same it should be quite a bit worse.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this issue isn't just academic for me - Depending on the situation I have genuine problems seeing what the camera has focused on.
Click up (counter-clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then click down (clockwise) 1 or 2 clicks.
I can try and do another video tomorrow with the diopter set that way.
We are indeed at the same end of the diopter then.
I was counting from it's normal viewing position when I said "With the diopter in its normal position, I then click it downward until it hits the end for a total of 8 clicks."
Put a different way, I turn the diopter down (clockwise) until it hits the stop. Then I go 8 clicks up (counter-clockwise). So, we're really just 6 clicks away.
I thought something wasn't quite right because at the other end of the diopter (which we both are not near), it's a complete blurry mess.
Ill just go back to bed then.
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