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IrishhAndy said:
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Aleo Veuliah wrote:
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Well. this shows the polls are not 100% accurate compared to reality. Is my opinion.

This has nothing to do with the market shares seeing the most and the less voted. ´

But it was FUN.

  • DPReview Poll.

What was the best camera of 2012?
  • Canon EOS 650D / Rebel T4i 1.6%
  • Canon EOS 5D Mark III1 4.4%
  • Fujifilm X-Pro 1 6.3%
  • Nikon D800/E 22.2%
  • Nikon D600 7.7%
  • Olympus OM-D EM-5 23.1%
  • Olympus Stylus XZ-2 iHS0. 3%
  • Olympus PEN-Lite E-PL50. 6%
  • Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH3 2.2%
  • Pentax K-30 3.3%
  • Sony Cyber-shot RX1 5.8%
  • Sony Cyber-shot RX100 7.3%
  • Sony Alpha SLT-A57 1.0%
  • Sony Alpha SLT-A99 4.2%

Total votes: 13229

For me is the Nikon D800, but of course this depends on the point of view of wow we see the best camera for us.

 
Mike_PEAT said:
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dotborg wrote:

...then the D800 would easily win. However, we're not. The question "What was the best camera of 2012?" is very broad.
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No it wouldn't...the D800e is just another Nikon, except with the AA filter removed...hardly innovative, and certainly NOT deserving of camera of the year.

The E-M5 on the other hand has features that no other camera has because Olympus INVENTED them for this camera, for instance Live Bulb and Live Time!
Live Bulb and Live Time show you the picture being created as it's being exposed, rather than just having a black screen during a bulb exposure. It's the Polaroid of bulb photography.

It was the Olympus E-330 which introduced having Live View in a dSLR to the world ("A solution looking for a problem"-was what DPReview called it)...now you can find Live View on just about every dSLR, including the D800e!

The same thing will happen with Live Bulb making it the new feature of the year, making the E-M5 the camera of the year (in addition to the other E-M5 new features, like 5-axis in body image stabilization).
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I said apples to apples. ;-)

[edit] Also, I didn't say anything about the D800E, I would never choose the D800E over the D800.
 
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illy wrote:

if you look at the top cameras section on the front page it tells a completely different story, quite a contradiction to the poll
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Rriley said:
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illy wrote:

if you look at the top cameras section on the front page it tells a completely different story, quite a contradiction to the poll
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percentages are wildly different too, whats up with that

Has to be said, and someone else remarked on this, going by the numbers it is an achievement by the designers of EM5 that it is even close, there has to be something about OMD that people find so endearing that they seemingly cant stop talking about it, and that attracts people outside the Olympus theatre to vote for it. You dont get that with Pen cameras or other quite good cameras like GH2, there must be a reason for that.

OTOH I think Nikon suffered somewhat of a voter backlash
one of the threads designed to develop interest in the Vote posted on the DPR Nikon forum

Vote on dpreview.com for the best camera of 2012. Vote! < yes that one...

looked like it represented at the very least ambivalence, then culminating in outright reprisal to the brand over QC issues Im frankly not aware of, and describes a feeling of complete lack of love for the marque which of course seems a bit different here.

And on that, perhaps a part of 1041 enthusiasm over this is the complete pita some 'alternate marque' fanboys have made of themselves on the 1041 mirrorless forum throughout the year.
Just a thought ....
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illy wrote:

if you look at the top cameras section on the front page it tells a completely different story, quite a contradiction to the poll
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Not really if you take a moment to dig deeper and actually think!

The source of the top cameras poll is, "Cameras receiving the most clicks in reviews and specs in the last five days."

The current top camera, the Nikon D600 with 3.8% clicks in the last five days was reviewed November 2012. Being so new OF COURSE it's going to receive the most clicks.

The Olympus E-M5 with 2.2% of the clicks in the last five days on the other hand was reviewed back in April 2012. The majority who have bought that camera probably have never clicked on the review since...I bought mine in May and haven't viewed the review since, certainly not within the last five days.

The more you think about it, the fact that the E-M5 is STILL on the top cameras list EIGHT MONTHS after its review was posted speaks louder volumes of the E-M5's CONTINUED POPULARITY vs. the top camera in that list which was reviewed only a month ago!
 
Mike_PEAT said:
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Mike_PEAT said:
illy wrote:

if you look at the top cameras section on the front page it tells a completely different story, quite a contradiction to the poll
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Not really if you take a moment to dig deeper and actually think!

The source of the top cameras poll is, "Cameras receiving the most clicks in reviews and specs in the last five days."

The current top camera, the Nikon D600 with 3.8% clicks in the last five days was reviewed November 2012. Being so new OF COURSE it's going to receive the most clicks.

The Olympus E-M5 with 2.2% of the clicks in the last five days on the other hand was reviewed back in April 2012. The majority who have bought that camera probably have never clicked on the review since...I bought mine in May and haven't viewed the review since, certainly not within the last five days.

The more you think about it, the fact that the E-M5 is STILL on the top cameras list EIGHT MONTHS after its review was posted speaks louder volumes of the E-M5's CONTINUED POPULARITY vs. the top camera in that list which was reviewed only a month ago!
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but you could say they are doing poorly against the D5100 and D7000, reviewed April 2011 and Nov 2010 respectively
 
Dr Hal said:
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I really believe that the OMD deserved winning. I have only had mine for a month and have really become a huge fan. Once you have one you realize that this camera has broken the paradign that in order to really be a serious photographer you had to use a DSLR or even larger. Do not let this camera's small size fool you. I am happy that it won because now the third party lens and equipment manufacurers will hopefully hop on board. I am happy because I finally am on the winning side of an election.
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I think that the mirrorless segment is more innovative than the DSLRs segment and among the mirrorless, the E-M5 surely stands out. This is why my vote went to the E-M5.

Sansmirror also awarded the E-M5 as the best serious mirrorless camera of 2012. That was against the Fuji X-E1, the Panasonic GH3 and the Sony Nex-6. Thom Hogan also says that taking in consideration the two other serious cameras of 2011, the Sony Nex-7 and the Fuji X-Pro1, he would still choose the E-M5 as the best allround mirrorless now available on the market.







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rrr_hhh
 
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illy wrote:

but you could say they are doing poorly against the D5100 and D7000, reviewed April 2011 and Nov 2010 respectively
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But they don't count since they aren't in the 2012 poll! The only cameras that matter for this discussion are the ones released in 2012.
 
Mike_PEAT said:
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Mike_PEAT said:
illy wrote:

but you could say they are doing poorly against the D5100 and D7000, reviewed April 2011 and Nov 2010 respectively
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But they don't count since they aren't in the 2012 poll! The only cameras that matter for this discussion are the ones released in 2012.
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but it shows how skewed the poll is, the 2nd most voted for camera isn't even on the top camera list.
 
fotophool said:
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Aleo Veuliah wrote:
I voted for the GH3 because is the camera I would like to have. For me is the best now. But I consider both, OMD and GH3 at the same level. Both great cameras.
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Why on Earth would you vote for a camera you've never held or shot with?

Seriously!?

fotophool

Yes, I have some pics
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But when you want to make a purchase, how are you getting to your decision ? You shoot the camera for one full month or one year before purchasing it ? Come on ! Given all the web ressources available, we can make better informed purchasing decision than ever, as well as informed poll choices and that even without handling a camera ourself : we have lots of spec sheets, videos demo, press material, pictures (of both the camera and the pictures it takes), we have comparing widgets, long and brief reviews and blogs describing how the camera works and forums reporting users deceptions and enthusiasm...

A user will choose the camera he has if he is happy with it, or the camera he wants if he is yearning for another one or an update. Or he will choose what sounds more innovative given his needs. In any case it will be very subjective, but it will reflect the level of popularity of a camera in a given community quite well.
 
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Aleo Veuliah said:
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Vlad S wrote:

E-M5 really surprised many skeptics. The delay of the DXO test also probably played a role in people's awareness of its performance, if only for the controversy. Overall the camera really expanded the appeal of the whole µ4/3 system, and increased interest in Olympus during a very difficult time for the company, whereas the Nikons probably were not as important for the company in the strategic sense.

Vlad
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I agree, but I am not talking only of the OMD. I think that if all the Canon and Nikon have voted and from other brands this would be different.

It is like I said, people who tend to really like a camera always vote.
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I think that people visiting the DPreview forums and website are technology fans and that they appreciate innovation and have rewarded the most innovative cameras. Who cares about the D5 MK3 ? It is only more of the same. This gives a push to the E-M5, even if the user base of mft is much smaller than he user base of Canon and Nikon DSLRs.

The others voted mostly for the D800 because although still the traditional DSLR, it is quite an achievement.
 
Mike_PEAT said:
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Mike_PEAT said:
Aleo Veuliah wrote:
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Well. this shows the polls are not 100% accurate compared to reality. Is my opinion.

This has nothing to do with the market shares seeing the most and the less voted. ´

But it was FUN.
And the fun is continuing for ANOTHER FIVE DAYS! The poll doesn't end until the 31st!

As for your opinion, you only have one vote like everyone else.
Mike_PEAT said:
For me is the Nikon D800, but of course this depends on the point of view of wow we see the best camera for us.
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Really? The D800e is just another Nikon, except with the AA filter removed...hardly innovative, and certainly NOT deserving of camera of the year.
i agree more r less : while the D800/E are quite an achievement for a DSLR, they are nly more of the same. The E-M5 is more innovative (like most mirrorless cameras) and successfully so.
Mike_PEAT said:
The E-M5 on the other hand has features that no other camera has because Olympus INVENTED them for this camera, for instance Live Bulb and Live Time!
Live Bulb and Live Time show you the picture being created as it's being exposed, rather than just having a black screen during a bulb exposure. It's the Polaroid of bulb photography.

The same thing will happen with Live Bulb making it the new feature of the year, making the E-M5 the camera of the year (in addition to the other E-M5 new features, like 5-axis in body image stabilization).
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I think that you are exaggerating the importance of the live bulb feature. For me that feature is just a cool thing, not much more. How often are you using it ? I'd prefer in camera HDR and in camera automatic panostitching. They would be more useful for the kind of things I'm shooting. Live bulb may be the icing on the cakes for some, but not so many; it is probably a good marketing tool however.

In the end what made me vote for the E-M5 are much more important features, which Olympus has been introducing step by step in the Pen line before. Like fast AF, fast burst rate, good OLED touch display, the flip-up dsplay, the very good E-VF (already present in the E-P3, or the E-Pl3, or the E-VF2) and the game changing 5 axis IBIS, the extraordinary IQ of the new Sony sensor plus the integrated VF; all that in a very small and light body.

The E-M5 is a matured mft camera : it has everything right (save some ergonomic glitches which Olympus could and should improve).

For me, the E-M5 is the Swatch concept applied to cameras ! Right up till the trendy fashion looking of the camera, not only for innovation. And this is why people like the E-M5 and Pens look !
 
enrique santa said:
enrique santa wrote:

This kind of thread always seem to me something like: "all this people is stupid, the real thing is just what I think".

what would be your opinion if the winner would be your beloved gh3.

I hope after this your function as moderator will be finished.
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I see nothing wrong with Aleo first post : it is just a way to start a discussion. There is no DPreview rule preventing a moderator to share his opinion, as long as it is stated in a courteous way as it is here. You are also proved wrong, because the thread, this far, has remained courteous too, showing that there is nothing from trolling inside it.
 
Aleo Veuliah said:
Aleo Veuliah wrote:
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Well. this shows the polls are not 100% accurate compared to reality. Is my opinion.

This has nothing to do with the market shares seeing the most and the less voted. ´

But it was FUN.

  • DPReview Poll.

What was the best camera of 2012?
  • Canon EOS 650D / Rebel T4i 1.6%
  • Canon EOS 5D Mark III1 4.4%
  • Fujifilm X-Pro 1 6.3%
  • Nikon D800/E 22.2%
  • Nikon D600 7.7%
  • Olympus OM-D EM-5 23.1%
  • Olympus Stylus XZ-2 iHS0. 3%
  • Olympus PEN-Lite E-PL50. 6%
  • Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH3 2.2%
  • Pentax K-30 3.3%
  • Sony Cyber-shot RX1 5.8%
  • Sony Cyber-shot RX100 7.3%
  • Sony Alpha SLT-A57 1.0%
  • Sony Alpha SLT-A99 4.2%

Total votes: 13229

For me is the Nikon D800, but of course this depends on the point of view of wow we see the best camera for us.

Just won serious camera of the year at TH
 
Pixnat2 said:
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13000 voters is enough to be statistically representative.
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yes, of course, but the main question is : of what are they representative :-) ?
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The EM-5 and the D800 deserves both to be elected "Camera of the Year 2012"

The EM-5 is the first m4/3 in history that can compete with the big boys (APS-C) in IQ department. Now the E-PL5 and GH3 are following that trend, and that's fantastic for m4/3 shooters! But the EM-5 was the first that convinced the sckepticals that m4/3 is a really capable standard. And it's the first m4/3 camera that make so many DSLR shooters to jump ship, historical.

The D800 sets the IQ so high that it will be difficult to go further. The files produced by the D800 may be huge, but the IQ is absolutely outstanding! It nearly reaches the level of medium format files (well not quite but it seems close), and it could well be the benchmark for many years to come.

So, yes, IMHO this poll is really real, and kudos to Nikon and Oylmpus to make such great cameras!

For the GH3, it was released too lately to get this title. But I'm sure that votes would have been different if it was released sooner. That said, the GH3 is percieved by many as a step back to DSLR shape and form factor, in those time when many photographers are looking for a smaller capable system. That could explain the small amount of votes. It's an awesome camera for sure, but not a revolution as the EM-5 was.

But I agree, both are awesome cameras!
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Good analysis ! To which I'd add this :

The E-M5 (23.4 % of the votes as I'm writing) and the D800 (22.1%) are getting nearly half (45.5%) of all the votes among a choice of 14 cameras, indicating a strong wish to get higher IQ, but in smaller, lighter and more portable bodies :
  • The D800 offers almost, if not, medium format IQ but in a DSLR body which isn't even among the heaviest ones (900gr against about 1200gr for Canon's and Nikon's flagship models) and
  • The E-M5 offers almost, if not, APSC IQ in about half of the weight.
In this main trend, the Olympus E-M5 earns about half the votes, quite an achievement for Olympus, showing that there is really a place for mft cameras and that the market is now splitt in two halves :
  • Those who think that they are getting enough IQ from nowadays sensors, but want lighter bodies and
  • Those who wants more IQ and are still ready to hawl heavy bricks if they can get medium format IQ.
I think that more and more people will fall in the first category than in the category's s time passes, since not so many people need medium format quality and the advantage of weight and size becomes more important when the IQ reached is sufficient. Once the CAF problem is solved, people will move to mirrorless in droves. Even pros, who don't like to carry more gear than needed for the task, but need reliable tools to make this partial switch..
 
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rrr_hhh said:
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Good analysis ! To which I'd add this :

The E-M5 (23.4 % of the votes as I'm writing) and the D800 (22.1%) are getting nearly half (45.5%) of all the votes among a choice of 14 cameras, indicating a strong wish to get higher IQ, but in smaller, lighter and more portable bodies :
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and how do you know this, or did you just look at the figures and think this must be the reason?
 
Member said:
illy wrote:
Member said:
rrr_hhh wrote:

Good analysis ! To which I'd add this :

The E-M5 (23.4 % of the votes as I'm writing) and the D800 (22.1%) are getting nearly half (45.5%) of all the votes among a choice of 14 cameras, indicating a strong wish to get higher IQ, but in smaller, lighter and more portable bodies :
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and how do you know this, or did you just look at the figures and think this must be the reason?
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IrishhAndy said:
IrishhAndy wrote:
IrishhAndy said:
illy wrote:
IrishhAndy said:
rrr_hhh wrote:

Good analysis ! To which I'd add this :

The E-M5 (23.4 % of the votes as I'm writing) and the D800 (22.1%) are getting nearly half (45.5%) of all the votes among a choice of 14 cameras, indicating a strong wish to get higher IQ, but in smaller, lighter and more portable bodies :
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and how do you know this, or did you just look at the figures and think this must be the reason?
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