Wide angle prime

zidar · May 3, 2003

that's the Canon 15mm 2.8 fish, which I bought used while I was on vacation for $385. I shot the foto on big jpeg, or whatever they call it, and the image you see represents about 60% of the original...I shot too loose cause I didn't want the kids falling down on top of me...

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razzi · May 3, 2003

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Jerry Gladh · May 3, 2003

even good at close ups

http://www.jerrygladh.com/Tasty/lilja1.htm

Steven Sterne · May 3, 2003

Petteri Sulonen said:
pvabeach said:

I just received my d10, (no immediate focus problems). Got 28-135
IS lens and canon 1.8 50mm. Also got Sigma 17-30 zoom wide....well,
I'm hobbist who travels with camera and need to carry all the
lenses.....now realize that I'd rather just get a much smaller wide
angle prime. The Sigma is HUGE.....
So what to do....sigma was around $500....don't want to spend too
much more.....
Any recommendations other that canon 20mm, doesn't seem to be
anything in 15-17 range under $1000????? Thanks, Paul

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http://www.seittipaja.fi/data/Pontification/b_Photography/d_Tokina_AT-X_17mm/a_Tokina_AT-X_17_mm.html ]

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Steven Sterne · May 3, 2003

Petteri Sulonen said:
pvabeach said:

I just received my d10, (no immediate focus problems). Got 28-135
IS lens and canon 1.8 50mm. Also got Sigma 17-30 zoom wide....well,
I'm hobbist who travels with camera and need to carry all the
lenses.....now realize that I'd rather just get a much smaller wide
angle prime. The Sigma is HUGE.....
So what to do....sigma was around $500....don't want to spend too
much more.....
Any recommendations other that canon 20mm, doesn't seem to be
anything in 15-17 range under $1000????? Thanks, Paul

Click to expand...

My thoughts on it here: [

http://www.seittipaja.fi/data/Pontification/b_Photography/d_Tokina_AT-X_17mm/a_Tokina_AT-X_17_mm.html ]

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Jeff Laitila57576 · May 3, 2003

I just picked one up and it is amazing how wide you can shoot with it, even on a 10D.

As long as you pay attention to the lines at the edge of the frame, the distortion can be very well managed.

I also have the Sigma 15-30, and the fisheye blows it out of the water in terms of weight, size, and the angle of view obtainable.
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Guillaume in Paris · May 3, 2003

and just like Zidar, I'd never go out without it. Equivalent to a good 17-18mm rectilinear lens when processed with Panorama Tools. Excellent build, impressive image. Affordable.
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Petteri Sulonen · May 4, 2003

Jeff Laitila said:
I just picked one up and it is amazing how wide you can shoot with
it, even on a 10D.

As long as you pay attention to the lines at the edge of the frame,
the distortion can be very well managed.

I also have the Sigma 15-30, and the fisheye blows it out of the
water in terms of weight, size, and the angle of view obtainable.

Haven't tried it, but have read glowing recommendations and seen some impressive pictures taken with it; I don't want an UWA right now (have the Tokina 17 which is wide enough for me), but I might eventually.

Question: what's it like to compose with it? I'd imagine the distortion and the extra "slop" you need to have to correct it would make it tricky to compose the scene in the viewfinder.

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Jeff Laitila57576 · May 4, 2003

It depends on the subject being photographed. Shoot something with a lot of straight lines near the edge of the frame, yes, you will get distortion.

But through some composiyion changes, you can really minimize the effect. (1.6 FOV crop doesn't hurt either)

The 15mm fisheye seems SO much wider than the SIgma 15-30. A really fun lens.

Jeff

Petteri Sulonen said:
Jeff Laitila said:

I just picked one up and it is amazing how wide you can shoot with
it, even on a 10D.

As long as you pay attention to the lines at the edge of the frame,
the distortion can be very well managed.

I also have the Sigma 15-30, and the fisheye blows it out of the
water in terms of weight, size, and the angle of view obtainable.

Click to expand...

Haven't tried it, but have read glowing recommendations and seen
some impressive pictures taken with it; I don't want an UWA right
now (have the Tokina 17 which is wide enough for me), but I might
eventually.

Question: what's it like to compose with it? I'd imagine the
distortion and the extra "slop" you need to have to correct it
would make it tricky to compose the scene in the viewfinder.

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james64808 · May 4, 2003

how is it compare to the 15mm fisheye?

I don't want the fisheye effects and I am too lazy to use software to remove the fisheye effects.

I have a Sigma 15-30, but I hate its size and weight, since I am using 10D too, I can easily crop off the center portion.

Can i achieve similar or better sharpness with a 10D using 14/15mm prime and cropped or with 15-30 @ 30mm??

Petteri Sulonen · May 4, 2003

Jeff Laitila said:
It depends on the subject being photographed. Shoot something with
a lot of straight lines near the edge of the frame, yes, you will
get distortion.

But through some composiyion changes, you can really minimize the
effect. (1.6 FOV crop doesn't hurt either)

The 15mm fisheye seems SO much wider than the SIgma 15-30. A
really fun lens.

Thanks, it certainly sounds like fun. I'll keep it in mind for future reference.

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David Eppstein · May 4, 2003

Petteri Sulonen said:
Question: what's it like to compose with it? I'd imagine the
distortion and the extra "slop" you need to have to correct it
would make it tricky to compose the scene in the viewfinder.

Maybe, but it's also so wide that you can sometimes just point the camera in the general direction of the subject and get something reasonable, especially if you have the ability to do retakes until the lcd review shows one you like. I've taken some fisheye shots with the camera so close to the ground that I wouldn't have been able to get my eye to the viewfinder, and others with the camera at arms' length over my head, and been pleased enough with the compositions that I didn't crop them.

David Eppstein · May 4, 2003

Also it has little or no problem with vignetting. Not sure about how Sigma's fisheye compares in sharpness to their 14mm rectilinears, but judging from the MTF charts of the Canon fisheye and 14mm rectilinear at http://www.usa.canon.com/eflenses/lineup/wideangle/index.html , the fish is sharper too.

tim martin · May 4, 2003

Bob Kerkenberg said:
do you REALLY like the 20mm?

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tmartin123/

All of these pictures here were shot with the Canon 20mm f/2.8
prime lens.

zidar · May 4, 2003

Stern photographer Volker Correl said to me "I don't worry if my lenses are sharp. I worry if my pictures are selling." I'm still interested in lens quality, but normally I don't pay much attention. However, I did happen to notice that this fisheye shot is sharp...I shot, as usual, at big jpeg on my D30. This is a scaled-down image so it fits better on the forum.

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zidar · May 4, 2003

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Jon Ragnarsson · May 4, 2003

After reading Petteri review, it would be my first choice for a semi-wideangle. Too bad it is only has a 28mm FOV eq on the 10D. :/
I would like to get at least 14-16mm.
J.

Petteri Sulonen said:
My thoughts on it here: [

http://www.seittipaja.fi/data/Pontification/b_Photography/d_Tokina_AT-X_17mm/a_Tokina_AT-X_17_mm.html ]

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Rico Tudor · May 4, 2003

Nice pic, Zidar. That slight curvature of the horizon gives a top-of-the-world feeling. Your part of the country is like a giant outdoor studio. Or perhaps "a moveable feast", what with shots of ice fishing and slaughter-houses. In all my years in the Chicago 'burbs, never have seen reindeer being chopped up in someone's kitchen -- I wouldv'e remembered.

Petteri Sulonen · May 4, 2003

Jón Ragnarsson said:
After reading Petteri review, it would be my first choice for a
semi-wideangle. Too bad it is only has a 28mm FOV eq on the 10D. :/
I would like to get at least 14-16mm.

Used to be the 28 was about as wide as it gets... and now it's "semi-wideangle". The irresistible march of technology... [sigh]

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zidar · May 4, 2003

Hey, you've got the Cubs, bike races in Kenosha, and a great downtown. But that humidity...worse than mosquitos!

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