Thumbs up / Thumbs down already being abused

Started Oct 6, 2012 | Discussions thread
Richard Veteran Member • Posts: 4,858
Yet another one?

oklaphotog wrote:


Oh come on now, it's not that simplistic. If you think it and the world is that simple, wake up a bit. I like the fact that you are so enraged in your post as it means you feel strongly about it.

I am not enraged, I think it is funny.

1st, there is a huge difference between moderation and communism. You obviously haven't been on a forum or list that has proper moderation. Moderation is no different than enforcement laws. The forums have a set of rules, if you don't abide by them, then the post is removed. Every civilized group has to have laws and rules. In the US at least, you cannot defame someone and not be legally held responsible. Trolling and belittling is one step away from defamation. I know a fair bit about moderation as I moderated a popular list for years that had several thousand members, one that was often thought of as one of the most equally moderated places at the time.

I have been on moderated forums, some are good, some are good some are bad, depends on the moderator

2nd Communism in a nut shell is wealth distribution and where everything you have is granted by the state. IE the people work as a commune for the "greater good" of everyone. This is mostly a form of economic control that has in most instances failed, but it does also include social control. Various communist regimes have had different levels of socialistic control, some extreme. Social control and enforcement of laws are not the same thing though.

I know what it is but what we know from experience is that there end up being dictators because there is no leader, and with that a hierarchy. That is not the way it is suppose to work, it is the way it turns out

You sound as if you want to throw out the enforcement of rule and law which means removal of government. This is not democracy, but anarchy. Big difference. By what you write, the US which is a democratic republic, would be instead defined as a communistic state because it too has enforcement of laws no different than any other civilized place.

I do not want to throw out enforcement. Dpreview does a good job. I think racist, threats and things that violate us law shoudl be deleted.

3rd this is a private entity. Not a public government. Therefore you cannot apply such thought as democracy.

Good and they decided to have the voting button. I just happen to agree with it.

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You say "You don't think the average person will be able to see that? Personally, when a post has a lot of positive negitive or both votes, I look at that post because it tells me that it probably contains something that people feel strongly about." But again it's not that simple

It is that simple, you want to make it complicated. Fanboys and measurebaters are part of this forum, I learn from them even though they may have a different view or even an out of balance one. Having votes is not going to change that.

You cannot have a civilized free society without the rule of law, and you cannot have a forum that achieves the same goal without the enforcement of rules. You say I need a thicker skin, but I have very thick skin.

Ok we agree about rule of law, and I said Dpreview does a good job about not violating US law and still allow free speech, now they allow voting, which in a democracy is always a good thing.


So before you go on bashing how someone is a communist, do some studying on it.

So now I have to have a degree to determine whether someone is trying to restrict speech and do away with votes? And I cannot part in jest make a communist reference. You seem more like a communist than the other two posters   But that is ok, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to give it a thumbs down.

Ultimately, I think that most sane people when coming to DPR find it lacks civility.

Then don't come to DPreview. They have their own moderation style and they have a new voting system. Go to another forum where you can be thought policed if that is what you want.

" DPR has been loosing readership, although not by a huge decline, 5.81% in the last three months but if you look at the max it shows an over all downward trend with some upward spikes over the last year or so. Alexa estimates that 82% of the sites visitors is to the main site with 31% to the forums. Most people are coming here for news and reviews, and not for the forums. if they could increase the amount of forum usage it would benefit them. I think addressing civility is a good start in that, and in my opinion a flawed voting system is not a step in that direction. I think a better implementation of a thumbs up thumbs down system would be like what is done in the comment section of many news websites. An over all score instead of two. So if you have +14 and -6, it simply displays +8. This though isn't perfect as it's still easily abused, but it looks much better to readers."

Just glad you don't own Dpr. They do a good job and IMHO you would ruin it.

I think the voting buttons are a great feature. I am glad DPR does not delete your posts because you have a differing opinion, but I like the feature that allows me to say thumbs down to your post, because you are clearly for overmoderation and no voting, two freedoms that make this website great.

I bet it burns you up that I can give you a thumbs down. Because it seems like you are all about controlling others. 100 people could give me a thumbs down, but it doesn't bother me. When I see huge numbers whether positive or negative, I am going to read that post, because there are strong feelings there that people want to share and they are usually worth reading.

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