Slowing down the Canon printer

jerpat · Apr 7, 2003

Richard,

As an adult you have the right to screw-up your Canon printer in any way you desire. I also have the right to tell you I don't think it shows horse sense, common sense, or any other kind of sense to do so.

Richard Homeyer said:
jerpat said:

Since no one has posted an answer to your original post, how do you
conclude that the answers were "useful & enlightening."

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I don't know how this discussion got split up onto two threads, but
on the other one we found a workable solution and his question was
answered.

Since I was following this thread how was I to know? Congratulations on finding your workable solution.

Richard Homeyer said:
The only thing in lack of "horse sense" here is your limited
perspective. Have you always done everything you were told to? Do
you supose the designers at canon came up with these great printers
using such a limited perspective as yours, or do you supose they
experimented and broke the rules of what is normally done to come
up with great new ideas. Go ahead, if you cannot find a decent
argument to refute me, start tearing apart my spelling. That will
at least give you something, right? You could be a little more
mature here. If you don't want to contribute to our discussion and
what we are trying to acheive, be an adult about it and stop
interupting.

I was trying to get the point across that Canon built a perfectly good printer which you seem to think you can make better; I thought that was a rather reasonable rebuttal. It doesn't matter whether my argument is decent; your're a legend in your own mind. As for the interruption, this is a public forum; I don't recall seeing the name Richard Homeyer replace Phil Askey. If you find these interruptions annoying I'm sure a guy whose smarter than the Canon designers could start his own forum site as well as produce a new, better than Canon printer. Why not design & produce your own Homeyer S99999 or whatever? I'll keep a look-out for Phil's review of your revolutionary new SLOW printer. If you are trying to convince me, or anyone else, that you're smarter than the designers at Canon you haven't given us much evidence to support that conclusion.

Richard Homeyer · Apr 7, 2003

jerpat said:
Richard,
As an adult you have the right to screw-up your Canon printer in
any way you desire. I also have the right to tell you I don't
think it shows horse sense, common sense, or any other kind of
sense to do so.
Richard Homeyer wrote:

You still haven't shown in any way that I am screwing my printer but you keep saying that. It will still be able to do anything it could before plus a little more. Enlighten us. How am I screwing up my printer?

jerpat said:
jerpat said:

jerpat said:

Since no one has posted an answer to your original post, how do you
conclude that the answers were "useful & enlightening."

Click to expand...

I don't know how this discussion got split up onto two threads, but
on the other one we found a workable solution and his question was
answered.

Click to expand...

Since I was following this thread how was I to know? If you would have asked nicely I would have pointed you to the thread.
Congratulations on finding your workable solution.

jerpat said:

The only thing in lack of "horse sense" here is your limited
perspective. Have you always done everything you were told to? Do
you supose the designers at canon came up with these great printers
using such a limited perspective as yours, or do you supose they
experimented and broke the rules of what is normally done to come
up with great new ideas. Go ahead, if you cannot find a decent
argument to refute me, start tearing apart my spelling. That will
at least give you something, right? You could be a little more
mature here. If you don't want to contribute to our discussion and
what we are trying to acheive, be an adult about it and stop
interupting.

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I was trying to get the point across that Canon built a perfectly
good printer which you seem to think you can make better; I thought
that was a rather reasonable rebuttal. It doesn't matter whether my
argument is decent; your're a legend in your own mind. As for the
interruption, this is a public forum; I don't recall seeing the
name Richard Homeyer replace Phil Askey. If you find these
interruptions annoying I'm sure a guy whose smarter than the Canon
designers could start his own forum site as well as produce a new,
better than Canon printer. Why not design & produce your own
Homeyer S99999 or whatever? I'll keep a look-out for Phil's review
of your revolutionary new SLOW printer. If you are trying to
convince me, or anyone else, that you're smarter than the designers
at Canon you haven't given us much evidence to support that
conclusion.

I am making it do something that it could not do before. YES I do think that is making it better. Epsons can be slowed down in the driver. It just hapens to be a feature the canon doesn't have. I suposy you are going to say epson has no idea what they are doing now. I don't claim to be anything you have said here, ever.

You are a troll. On another thread you just atacked someone for asking a simple and legitamate question. I looked through his post history and didn't find him picking one fight but you call him a troll. I went to look at your post history and found this meanless repy to me. I wonder if I continue to read through your post history how many will be participation with the group, and how many will be you attacking people?

Paul Larson · Apr 7, 2003

Richard,

Honest I’m not looking for a fight ……but from the outside looking in this tread is pretty funny…….1st you go and buy the fastest photo printer on the market and now you want to run extra app’s on your pc to tie up the CPU so that it slows down the printer all to avoid paying for Canon papers………….. I’m sure that there are other brands of papers that will work with the Canon just fine……. but some of the things proposed in this thread are down right hilarious longer usb cables, tying up resources etc…… by your way of thinking I should take 3 of the spark plugs out of my Corvette to slow it down so that I can run non-speed rated generic brand tires vs. paying about $1700 every 28 ~ 32k miles for a good set of Z rated tires ………

The Canon is good product worthy of quality papers ……..IMHO
--
Paul

jerpat · Apr 7, 2003

Richard,

This is my last attempt! I already told you you can do what you want with your printer. For me, operating the printer in a manner outside the mfg guidelines is screwing with the printer. For you, I guess you consider the Ten Commandments the 10 suggestions. I will watch your posts for your whining when your printer fails & you blame Canon for your problems. As for your reference to my other posts my only comment is stick to the subject at hand. It has finally occurred to me why horse sense is missing here; I'm talking to the other end of the horse. Bye!

Richard Homeyer said:
jerpat said:

Richard,
As an adult you have the right to screw-up your Canon printer in
any way you desire. I also have the right to tell you I don't
think it shows horse sense, common sense, or any other kind of
sense to do so.
Richard Homeyer wrote:

Click to expand...

You still haven't shown in any way that I am screwing my printer
but you keep saying that. It will still be able to do anything it
could before plus a little more. Enlighten us. How am I screwing
up my printer?

Richard Homeyer said:

Richard Homeyer said:

jerpat said:

Since no one has posted an answer to your original post, how do you
conclude that the answers were "useful & enlightening."

Click to expand...

I don't know how this discussion got split up onto two threads, but
on the other one we found a workable solution and his question was
answered.

Click to expand...

Since I was following this thread how was I to know? If you would have asked nicely I would have pointed you to the thread.
Congratulations on finding your workable solution.

Richard Homeyer said:

The only thing in lack of "horse sense" here is your limited
perspective. Have you always done everything you were told to? Do
you supose the designers at canon came up with these great printers
using such a limited perspective as yours, or do you supose they
experimented and broke the rules of what is normally done to come
up with great new ideas. Go ahead, if you cannot find a decent
argument to refute me, start tearing apart my spelling. That will
at least give you something, right? You could be a little more
mature here. If you don't want to contribute to our discussion and
what we are trying to acheive, be an adult about it and stop
interupting.

Click to expand...

I was trying to get the point across that Canon built a perfectly
good printer which you seem to think you can make better; I thought
that was a rather reasonable rebuttal. It doesn't matter whether my
argument is decent; your're a legend in your own mind. As for the
interruption, this is a public forum; I don't recall seeing the
name Richard Homeyer replace Phil Askey. If you find these
interruptions annoying I'm sure a guy whose smarter than the Canon
designers could start his own forum site as well as produce a new,
better than Canon printer. Why not design & produce your own
Homeyer S99999 or whatever? I'll keep a look-out for Phil's review
of your revolutionary new SLOW printer. If you are trying to
convince me, or anyone else, that you're smarter than the designers
at Canon you haven't given us much evidence to support that
conclusion.

Click to expand...

I am making it do something that it could not do before. YES I do
think that is making it better. Epsons can be slowed down in the
driver. It just hapens to be a feature the canon doesn't have. I
suposy you are going to say epson has no idea what they are doing
now. I don't claim to be anything you have said here, ever.
You are a troll. On another thread you just atacked someone for
asking a simple and legitamate question. I looked through his post
history and didn't find him picking one fight but you call him a
troll. I went to look at your post history and found this meanless
repy to me. I wonder if I continue to read through your post
history how many will be participation with the group, and how many
will be you attacking people?

Rick K · Apr 7, 2003

Richard Homeyer said:
I haven't tried it yet but thanks in advance for going to the
trouble for us.

I understand the feeling of getting an itch. . . you know that scratching it may not do anything good, but you just have to keep trying until you have exhausted the possibilities. I get the impression this little adventure is an itch for you guys.

I did not want you guys keep trying to run multiple programs, and keep restarting them to get your desired experiment to work. I don't expect you will actually want my program for anything other than a science experiment, but if I can help at all I am happy to dive into the adventure. I currently have an Epson 870 I would be happy to sell cheap (trust me it is plenty slow enough to not have to slow it down any more), I would like to get an i950 at some point, and would like to use the Illford Classic for it's longevity, so this little adventure has some interest.

Also don't be discouraged by the naysayers elsewhere in this thread, I think it is always good to explore the possibilities of your hardware and software, you never know where it will take you!

Enjoy,
Rick K

Rick K · Apr 7, 2003

Rick K

Richard Homeyer · Apr 7, 2003

jerpat said:
Richard,
This is my last attempt! I already told you you can do what you
want with your printer. For me, operating the printer in a manner
outside the mfg guidelines is screwing with the printer. For you, I
guess you consider the Ten Commandments the 10 suggestions. I will
watch your posts for your whining when your printer fails & you
blame Canon for your problems. As for your reference to my other
posts my only comment is stick to the subject at hand. It has
finally occurred to me why horse sense is missing here; I'm talking
to the other end of the horse. Bye!

I am glad that it is your last atempt. I am not operating the printer outside the manufactures guidelines. I am in no way altering the printer or it's software. I see nothing in canons documentation that says the printer will not opperate correctlly if you are running other programs. Computers are designed to run multiple programs, or didn't you know that. The other possibility is that you didn't event pay atention to what we were trying to do before you started attacking people(or jumping on, as you would call it, and have recomended others to do). You still haven't told me how I am screwing up my printer.

It must be difficult being so perfect and having to corect everybody all the time. Your post history is the subject at hand. You were attacking me and others in this thread and others. You seem to like attacking people very much. Does this make you feel superior? Since you are so perfect, and everyone else is so flawed, why don't you go live in your perfect world and leave the rest of us less than perfect people be. You don't have to attack anybody that has a diffrent opinion or diffrent ideas than you. Or do you have to?

Pabletto · Apr 7, 2003

Pabletto · Apr 7, 2003

JJ (Mo) said:
It took 5 minutes and 35 seconds to print a 8 x 10.

His post April 3rd:

Media type: High Gloss Photo Film Quality: 1
Halftoning: Diffusion
Color adjustment: All set at "0" with -6 density (my setting worked
best at "0" density).
ICm: Off
Print type: Photo
Brightness: Normal
All other effects and enhancements: Off

In order to use "Quality: 1" I had to change from "High Gloss

Photo Film" to "Photo Paper Pro" otherwise my Quality setting would
be "2". I used Ilford Classic Pearl.

Maybe the i850 and i950 drivers are different, but with my i950 I can select BOTH High Gloss Photo Film AND Quality setting 1 at the same time.

By using Canon Photo Paper Pro setting, your printer lays much more ink on the paper, so maybe even though your printer may slow down, you still have more ink to deal with.

I have to say, I am not sure about the "Photo Paper Pro setting laying down much more ink part" as I have not done any such experiments my own. I remember reading a post from someone saying that the paper types are assorted in the list from top to bottom according to which setting requires more ink (with the exception of plain paper). I do not know if that correct though.

But in any case, if the settings worked as you say, I am glad I could offer my help to you.

JJ (Mo) said:
I printed from PSP7 and Qimage with the same results. Didn't this
slow down your printing Pab?

It may have. I have the printer for less than a week, so I do not know what its 'normal' printing speed is. So my printer may have printer slower without me realising. I'll try though and see what happens.

--
Pabletto
http://www.pbase.com/pabletto
(samples taken with the MINOLTA DiMAGE 7)
Last update 22 October 2002 (Flower shots)

Richard Homeyer · Apr 7, 2003

Paul Larson said:
Richard,
Honest I’m not looking for a fight ……but from the outside looking
in this tread is pretty funny…….1st you go and buy the fastest
photo printer on the market and now you want to run extra app’s on
your pc to tie up the CPU so that it slows down the printer all to
avoid paying for Canon papers………….. I’m sure that there are other
brands of papers that will work with the Canon just fine……. but
some of the things proposed in this thread are down right hilarious
longer usb cables, tying up resources etc…… by your way of thinking
I should take 3 of the spark plugs out of my Corvette to slow it
down so that I can run non-speed rated generic brand tires vs.
paying about $1700 every 28 ~ 32k miles for a good set of Z rated
tires ………

The Canon is good product worthy of quality papers ……..IMHO
--
Paul

You don't sound like you are trying to pick a fight. It's not to find cheaper papers. There are lots of papers, both expensive and cheap that work fine. Resin coated papers are more resistant to gas fading and have a difrent look. Thats why it would be nice to get them to work. There are some very expensive resin coated papers that would not work without slowing down the printer.

It is pretty funny,, isn't it. I am not normally so argumentitive like that but he was attacking me, I ran across another thread where he blindly attacked someone for asking an honest question. Aparentlly he was switching back and forth between fighting with me and fighting with people on the canon slr forum. His profile sugest he likes doing this.

jerpat · Apr 7, 2003

Paul,
Be careful! Richard doesn't like anyone p* ing on his parade. LOL

Paul Larson said:
Richard,
Honest I’m not looking for a fight ……but from the outside looking
in this tread is pretty funny…….1st you go and buy the fastest
photo printer on the market and now you want to run extra app’s on
your pc to tie up the CPU so that it slows down the printer all to
avoid paying for Canon papers………….. I’m sure that there are other
brands of papers that will work with the Canon just fine……. but
some of the things proposed in this thread are down right hilarious
longer usb cables, tying up resources etc…… by your way of thinking
I should take 3 of the spark plugs out of my Corvette to slow it
down so that I can run non-speed rated generic brand tires vs.
paying about $1700 every 28 ~ 32k miles for a good set of Z rated
tires ………

The Canon is good product worthy of quality papers ……..IMHO
--
Paul

Pabletto · Apr 7, 2003

Rick K said:
I did not want you guys keep trying to run multiple programs, and
keep restarting them to get your desired experiment to work. I
don't expect you will actually want my program for anything other
than a science experiment, but if I can help at all I am happy to
dive into the adventure.

Rick K said:
Also don't be discouraged by the naysayers elsewhere in this
thread, I think it is always good to explore the possibilities of
your hardware and software, you never know where it will take you!

Rick, thanks for the time you devoted and also for the nice words and understanding! Since you always dive into advetures and such matters, you should have followed the Minolta forum back when the Dimage 7 was launched with its custom colour space and un-seen before gamma and sharpening algorithms etc etc etc etc. I for one and lots of other D7 owners sure learned a lot out of those discussions and experiments. Many over there even designed programmes that would enhance the camera's operation. It brought it up to a new level.

Rick K said:
I would like to get an i950 at some
point, and would like to use the Illford Classic for it's
longevity, so this little adventure has some interest.

I am sure you will be happy with the printer.

--
Pabletto
http://www.pbase.com/pabletto
(samples taken with the MINOLTA DiMAGE 7)
Last update 22 October 2002 (Flower shots)

Richard Homeyer · Apr 7, 2003

jerpat said:
Paul,
Be careful! Richard doesn't like anyone p* ing on his parade. LOL

jerpat likes to pi*s on everybody's parade.

jerpat said:
Paul Larson said:

Richard,
Honest I’m not looking for a fight ……but from the outside looking
in this tread is pretty funny…….1st you go and buy the fastest
photo printer on the market and now you want to run extra app’s on
your pc to tie up the CPU so that it slows down the printer all to
avoid paying for Canon papers………….. I’m sure that there are other
brands of papers that will work with the Canon just fine……. but
some of the things proposed in this thread are down right hilarious
longer usb cables, tying up resources etc…… by your way of thinking
I should take 3 of the spark plugs out of my Corvette to slow it
down so that I can run non-speed rated generic brand tires vs.
paying about $1700 every 28 ~ 32k miles for a good set of Z rated
tires ………

The Canon is good product worthy of quality papers ……..IMHO
--
Paul

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fotografer · Apr 7, 2003

jerpat,

jerpat said:
Use the right papers (Canon) & you'll have no trouble. What is it
with people buying a good printer & then masochistically using
papers that are incompatible. I've printed hundreds of pictures,
including many 13 x 19, with my S9000 without any trouble because I
don't go looking for trouble.

People are not looking for trouble. They are looking for good alternatives to Canon PPP with their OEM bci6 inks.

jerpat said:
If your car's user manual says use
high octane gas then do it. It would seem there are lots of people
who think they're smarter than Canon & then they come to the forum
to whine about the pitiful results of their folly.

There are two categories of people complaining about papers not working with Canon OEM inks. One is new Canon users who probably haven't read this forum long enough to avoid common advice such as not using HP and Kodak papers on the Canon s and i series printers.

Others simply want to branch out from using the $$$ Canon PPP (and another alternative to the cheaper Canon PPGP) and see if other papers, besides the nanoporous ones (which are more susceptible to gas fading) works with Canon OEM inks or not.

jerpat said:
If you don't
like the instructions in the Canon user manual then buy another
brand & don't follow their instructions either. Probably 99% of
the problems with Cannon printers are user error, just like the
primary reason for auto crashes (not accidents since there are no
accidents; someone or something is always responsible) is driver
error, not mechanical failure.

This taken alone is factual. But used in the wrong context, IMO. I don't think they are 'torturing' their Canon printers simply to find ways to lay the inks more appropriately (i.e. slower) on Resin-coated papers. With reasons, they simply want longer lasting prints, which Canon themselves don't produce.

--
Fotografer
...like, a total himbo

John Burns · Apr 7, 2003

jerpat said:
Richard,
As an adult you have the right to screw-up your Canon printer in
any way you desire. I also have the right to tell you I don't
think it shows horse sense, common sense, or any other kind of
sense to do so.

Which gives Richard the right to tell you he thinks you are an idiot. Then you have a right to threaten Richard with physical violence. Richard will then exercise his right to manufacture weapons of mass destruction for his defense. George Bush will then be forced to excercise his right to invade Richard's neighborhood to save the world. No wonder the world is in the mess it is in. To many rights!!!
--
John

Paul Larson · Apr 7, 2003

fotografer wrote:
One is new Canon users who probably
haven't read this forum long enough to avoid common advice such as
not using HP and Kodak papers on the Canon s and i series printers.

fotografer,

I had a Canon i850 for a short time and had good success with Kodak Ultima High Gloss Paper as far as initial print quality …..No clue as to light fastness… ironically I ran some thru my much slower Epson 2200 it came out extremely wet with roller marks all through it…..

Also I think that if you are putting more ink on the paper then it can handle often enough that you will have to clean the roller wheels in the printer as I feel they will get excessive ink buildup…I have no evidence of that but it is my gut instinct….

Regards
Paul

PS did I mention that i850 was smoking fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Homeyer · Apr 7, 2003

John Burns said:
jerpat said:

Richard,
As an adult you have the right to screw-up your Canon printer in
any way you desire. I also have the right to tell you I don't
think it shows horse sense, common sense, or any other kind of
sense to do so.

Click to expand...

Which gives Richard the right to tell you he thinks you are an
idiot. Then you have a right to threaten Richard with physical
violence. Richard will then exercise his right to manufacture
weapons of mass destruction for his defense. George Bush will then
be forced to excercise his right to invade Richard's neighborhood
to save the world. No wonder the world is in the mess it is in.
To many rights!!!
--
John

Hey John, know where I can pick up some weapons of mass destruction cheap. They are for humanitarian reasons, not to get jetpat, I promiss. lol

In all honesty, I don't really hold a grudge. Jetpat seems to have a lot of hostility. He seems to have to berate other to make himself feel beter. I suspect he will bring himself plenty of unhappiness with such insecurities. This is where jetpat is suposed to step in a start attacking me for playing psychologist. I saw him do exactlly that in one of his posts.

Richard Homeyer · Apr 7, 2003

Paul Larson said:
fotografer wrote:
One is new Canon users who probably
haven't read this forum long enough to avoid common advice such as
not using HP and Kodak papers on the Canon s and i series printers.

fotografer,
I had a Canon i850 for a short time and had good success with Kodak
Ultima High Gloss Paper as far as initial print quality …..No clue
as to light fastness… ironically I ran some thru my much slower
Epson 2200 it came out extremely wet with roller marks all through
it…..

Kodak makes several papers. I have heard of people using kodak and geting good results but several of their papers give horible results. If I have been informed corectly, kodak likes to drastically change the formulation of their papers so a paper will work well and then all of a sudden not work well. Because of this I tend to not recomend kodak papers. Not because none of them will work, but because many of them will not and it's not consistant over the years. If it works, by all means, use it. (this is where jerpat is suposed to step in and start corecting my gramer or spelling or something. then he will tell you my argument, which isn't an argument, is meaningless because I spelled a word wrong, and therefor cannot be near as inteligent as he is).lol

Paul Larson said:
Also I think that if you are putting more ink on the paper then it
can handle often enough that you will have to clean the roller
wheels in the printer as I feel they will get excessive ink
buildup…I have no evidence of that but it is my gut instinct….

Regards
Paul

PS did I mention that i850 was smoking fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Desert Rat · Apr 7, 2003

Rick K said:
I created a program which will slow down your PC.
Find it here:
ftp://ftp.civision.com/pub/outgoing/
SlowPC.exe

Rick,

Thank you for sharing this program with us. I tried running it on my P4(1.6) with 512 MB DDR. The print took the same time (about 4 minutes) on Normal, High, and Real-Time settings (50 and 50 for the time kill and time delay settings). Do you haveany suggestions? Thank you for trying to help us.

I am prinitng on Canon S820 through the USB connection. I have the printer set to "high gloss photofilm, diffusion, and quality 1". Also tried changing the time delay andand time kill and did not see any changes in print speed.

BTW... I just got my Canon $50 rebate today. Only $41 for this baby!!!!
--
Desert Rat

cafemonaco · Apr 8, 2003

Seems to do the trick - I am using settings of 3 and 50 respectively, together with realtime setting.

Time taken for full bleed A4 c.15 mins (!) but perfect printing on Ilf Class Gloss = 10 years longevity (+c. c.£18 for 100 sheets from 7 dayshop)

Will fiddle with settings to see if I can increase speed without sacrificing quality.

Thanks again for the prog - saves thrashing the HD !

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