DSLR survey: Which would you rather?

Justme · Feb 28, 2003

Yes, DOF control is a good reason but something even more useful for me is low-noise high ISO ability.

gary ng said:
Justme said:

gary ng said:

Ulysses said:

I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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Ulysses · Feb 28, 2003

That's it!!!

I need a Photo Account!!! Cripes!!!

Nice budget you laid out for yourself.

JimJ said:
I will probably go with the 10D since I have saved up $2500.00 in
my photo account. This will give me the camera and two good Canon
lenses.

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Ulysses

Olga Johnson · Feb 28, 2003

Ulysses said:
I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

If size and weight were not a problem for me, I'd go for the 10D now. Unfortunately both size and weight are too much for me. G3 size is as big as I can handle (and not comfortably at all times.)

Olga

Jitter · Feb 28, 2003

OlgaJ said:
Ulysses said:

I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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If size and weight were not a problem for me, I'd go for the 10D
now. Unfortunately both size and weight are too much for me. G3
size is as big as I can handle (and not comfortably at all times.)

Olga

I am waiting to see what Pentax comes out with, they are inovators for sure and always have good products of small size plus the K mount lens.
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GovtLawyer · Feb 28, 2003

Ulysses said:
I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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Ulysses

I agree that waiting for the Pentax is a good idea (besides, I only have my G3 for a month). I had a Pentax Super Program for 25 years, and love Pentax products. I'm willing to bet their DSLR will be good quality. I also understand it will likely be priced lower than the D60 was and even the 10D will be.

geepondy · Feb 28, 2003

This survey reminds me a lot of computers when people were waiting for them to break the "sub $1000 barrier." Now look how cheap they are. Having said that I'm now seriously considering the 10D as my first SLR digicam purchase. I'm willing to wait a bit and see how the reviews, prices and sample pictures stack up compared to the Pentax offering and possibly other's within the next few months.

David Kieltyka · Feb 28, 2003

Ulysses said:
Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

None of the above. I don't own any Canon SLR lenses, and don't intend to buy any, so a) and b) are out. If c) were "some other make/model dSLR at an affordable price" that would be my choice. Since I have a bunch of nice Pentax lenses the direction I'm leaning in should be clear enough.

-Dave-

Ulysses · Feb 28, 2003

OlgaJ -

Is it an issue of comfort, or is it a more physically related issue?

OlgaJ said:
If size and weight were not a problem for me, I'd go for the 10D
now. Unfortunately both size and weight are too much for me. G3
size is as big as I can handle (and not comfortably at all times.)

Olga

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Ulysses

Ulysses · Feb 28, 2003

Interestingly, when the Pentax *ist D is brought up in various threads, I'm seeing a surprising number of people talk about how many Pentax lenses they already have. It's very surprising, indeed.

Pentax should have started doing this a long time ago. I hope that they haven't missed their boat, and I hope that they have enough experience to make their first digital SLR effort a good one.

David Kieltyka said:
Ulysses said:

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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None of the above. I don't own any Canon SLR lenses, and don't
intend to buy any, so a) and b) are out. If c) were "some other
make/model dSLR at an affordable price" that would be my choice.
Since I have a bunch of nice Pentax lenses the direction I'm
leaning in should be clear enough.

-Dave-

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Ulysses

David Kieltyka · Feb 28, 2003

Ulysses said:
Interestingly, when the Pentax *ist D is brought up in various
threads, I'm seeing a surprising number of people talk about how
many Pentax lenses they already have. It's very surprising, indeed.

Pentax should have started doing this a long time ago. I hope that
they haven't missed their boat, and I hope that they have enough
experience to make their first digital SLR effort a good one.

My Pentax gear has been sitting around the house for years, not used much. Not because I was dissatisfied with it but because I've been focused on using rangefinder cameras for awhile now. Different style of photography. But now that the *ist D has been announced I've brought out my old KX SLR and my old (but very good) lenses and will be giving it all a workout this weekend.

In retrospect Pentax wasted time working on their aborted full-frame digital project. They picked a sensor, made by Philips, that turned out to be not only very expensive to produce but also noise-prone. It's possible, though, some elements of the *ist D come from that project. I think it's still early enough in the game for Pentax to do well. The digital market is very much in flux. I don't expect 'em to seriously challenge Canon or Nikon but they'll have their niche as they've had for decades with their film-based gear.

-Dave-

Ulysses · Feb 28, 2003

If they price it right, I think the Pentax will make a nice "first timer" dSLR, for those looking to cross over form prosumer to a more enabled camera.

Pentax has always been good at introducing others to new technology.

David Kieltyka said:
Ulysses said:

Interestingly, when the Pentax *ist D is brought up in various
threads, I'm seeing a surprising number of people talk about how
many Pentax lenses they already have. It's very surprising, indeed.

Pentax should have started doing this a long time ago. I hope that
they haven't missed their boat, and I hope that they have enough
experience to make their first digital SLR effort a good one.

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My Pentax gear has been sitting around the house for years, not
used much. Not because I was dissatisfied with it but because I've
been focused on using rangefinder cameras for awhile now. Different
style of photography. But now that the *ist D has been announced
I've brought out my old KX SLR and my old (but very good) lenses
and will be giving it all a workout this weekend.

In retrospect Pentax wasted time working on their aborted
full-frame digital project. They picked a sensor, made by Philips,
that turned out to be not only very expensive to produce but also
noise-prone. It's possible, though, some elements of the *ist D
come from that project. I think it's still early enough in the game
for Pentax to do well. The digital market is very much in flux. I
don't expect 'em to seriously challenge Canon or Nikon but they'll
have their niche as they've had for decades with their film-based
gear.

-Dave-

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Ulysses

Olga Johnson · Mar 1, 2003

Jut a matter of comfort and ease, Ulysses. I don't need to be hauling a camera that will take two hands to hold.

Ulysses said:
Is it an issue of comfort, or is it a more physically related issue?

OlgaJ said:

If size and weight were not a problem for me, I'd go for the 10D
now. Unfortunately both size and weight are too much for me. G3
size is as big as I can handle (and not comfortably at all times.)

Olga

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Ulysses

Alien · Mar 1, 2003

Ulysses said:
I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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Ulysses

Hi Ulysses,
Currently I would say option d) due to a bunch of reasons:

1. The Canon cameras you've mentioned are all great, but still too expensive, too heavy, too big and too brittle for my liking. I'm not happy with the sensor dust issue at all. To me this is a design flaw and nothing else.

2. If I look at all the companies supplying a DSLR currently, they aim at the pro level user for whom cost is rather the second or even third issue compared to quality or investment in a system in the long term. I'm not a pro and will never be. I do not need the specialized pro lenses of either system. I want affordable glass with reasonable quality (some Sigma and/or Tamron lenses, nothing too fancy, and not more than three). I do not want to be stuck to a system because of the investment I made. I must add at this point I sure will not buy L glass lenses. My last film based SLR was Canon EOS 10, and I had two sigma lenses and a Canon macro lens (bought second hand). My total investment was around $1000. It didn't hurt to get rid of them as I wanted to go digital. I will get a DSLR when DSLR manufacturing companies find it feasible to offer three or four DSLR models at the same time. This will imply me longer product life, wider use of DSLRs and availability of EOS 300 or EOS 30 level DSLRs, price-wise and quality-wise. I don't mean a $300 DSLR by this statement, maybe something like $600 to $800.

3. The form factor is very important to me. Currently, Pentax *ist D is an interesting candidate. All Sigma lenses I would like to acquire are available for Pentax AF mount. However, it's too early to rave about it, before seeing any samples or the full specs of the camera.
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Jitter · Mar 1, 2003

Alien said:
Ulysses said:

I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

--

Ulysses

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Hi Ulysses,
Currently I would say option d) due to a bunch of reasons:
1. The Canon cameras you've mentioned are all great, but still too
expensive, too heavy, too big and too brittle for my liking. I'm
not happy with the sensor dust issue at all. To me this is a design
flaw and nothing else.
2. If I look at all the companies supplying a DSLR currently, they
aim at the pro level user for whom cost is rather the second or
even third issue compared to quality or investment in a system in
the long term. I'm not a pro and will never be. I do not need the
specialized pro lenses of either system. I want affordable glass
with reasonable quality (some Sigma and/or Tamron lenses, nothing
too fancy, and not more than three). I do not want to be stuck to
a system because of the investment I made. I must add at this point
I sure will not buy L glass lenses. My last film based SLR was
Canon EOS 10, and I had two sigma lenses and a Canon macro lens
(bought second hand). My total investment was around $1000. It
didn't hurt to get rid of them as I wanted to go digital. I will
get a DSLR when DSLR manufacturing companies find it feasible to
offer three or four DSLR models at the same time. This will imply
me longer product life, wider use of DSLRs and availability of EOS
300 or EOS 30 level DSLRs, price-wise and quality-wise. I don't
mean a $300 DSLR by this statement, maybe something like $600 to
$800.
3. The form factor is very important to me. Currently, Pentax *ist
D is an interesting candidate. All Sigma lenses I would like to
acquire are available for Pentax AF mount. However, it's too early
to rave about it, before seeing any samples or the full specs of
the camera.
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Alien

I still use my Pentax SLR although not as much as I use now that I have the G2. I have been using Pentax exclusively from the beginning of my photography hobby. I have many lenses from 500mm down to 17mm and would love to be able to use them for digital photography which I prefer over film for many reasons. It's all about versatility to me. Wildlife photography with a G2 is extremely limited in capability due to the restriction of the range of lens. I think that Pentax's offering will be small, light, versatile and will cost less money than Canon or Nikon and the quality will be there just as with the SLR's. Can't wait to get my trembling fingers on a Pentax DSLR.
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wzictrace · Mar 1, 2003

I think that the D60 will fall to about $1000 and the D30 to fall to about $700-800.
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Ulysses · Mar 1, 2003

Thanks, OlgaJ. I understand.

Now, another question: Would something like the new smaller, very "lightweight" Pentax *ist D interest you?

Or would that one still be out of the comfort zone?

Actually, even if the camera worked out, you'd still be hauling a slight excess of gear, so....

OlgaJ said:
Jut a matter of comfort and ease, Ulysses. I don't need to be
hauling a camera that will take two hands to hold.

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Ulysses

Shutter. · Mar 1, 2003

I'm serious. It was like the blood wouldn't stop rushing through me. It was soooo nice and heavy and solid. It just felt right. Than I looked at the pricetag and thought... a 10D for $500 less but with similar features?

I wanted the higher ISO's and that's why the D60 was out, but the 10D....

But I don't know. For some reason I have this gut draw to the D100. Kind of like when I was comparing the Dimage and 707. It was a gut-thing. Glad I trusted my gut!

Anyway, don't really want to spend that kind of money and I'm still enjoying my 707 too much!

Jim

Ulysses said:
I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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Ulysses

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Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
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Shutter. · Mar 1, 2003

Haha, Ulysses, I looked at you past posts and thought this was the one you posted in the Sony forum. ooops.

I'm in for it now...

Ulysses said:
I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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Ulysses

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Jim Fuglestad

Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase. -Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries

David N. · Mar 1, 2003

D60 for about $900. Or D30 for about $600.

Ulysses said:
I asked this in another forum. The answers I'm getting so far are
interesting and educational and entertaining enough that I thought
I'd post here, too.

Given the choice, which of the following would you rather go with?

a) Canon D30 for around $1,000
b) Canon 10D for around $1,500
c) some other make/model dSLR at any price
d) I'll avoid the dSLR like the plague for now

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Ulysses

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Alien · Mar 2, 2003

Jitter said:
I still use my Pentax SLR although not as much as I use now that I
have the G2. I have been using Pentax exclusively from the
beginning of my photography hobby. I have many lenses from 500mm
down to 17mm and would love to be able to use them for digital
photography which I prefer over film for many reasons. It's all
about versatility to me. Wildlife photography with a G2 is
extremely limited in capability due to the restriction of the range
of lens. I think that Pentax's offering will be small, light,
versatile and will cost less money than Canon or Nikon and the
quality will be there just as with the SLR's. Can't wait to get my
trembling fingers on a Pentax DSLR.
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After having seen the pics on letsgodigital.nl, I think the *ist D is pretty compact. In fact, the dimensions tell me it's as compact as I would love to have it. Let's hope the specs and pics are good too. And, the price is somewhere near $1200, or better less. Well, we will see that in the next few days... That piece of thing is quiet a seduction.

By the way, you seem to have a remarkable collection of Pentax lenses. I hope the *ist D will fulfill your expectations.

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