Predictions on new g series

Canon is a Japanese company why should they bother about Chinese mythology?

alfalfa
what is the chinese number for death?
There isn't a Chinese number for death. But the pronunciation of
"4" in one of the Chinese languages is (or was?) close to that of
"death", so there is a tendency to avoid "4", especially a "4" at
the end of a number, even in languages that have always had
perfectly valid ways of pronouncing "4" that do not sound like
"death".
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Canon A-1, EOS 30 (Elan 7), Ixus v3 (s230), Oly C-3030, Lomo LC-A
 
i agree, i dont think it would be wise for canon to realease
another g for a while.
Not wise? On what basis? Canon have professional marketers whose job it is to determine the appropriate time to release new products that their engineers develop - and they are doing just that. So what do you suggest? Hold them back from market just because you might not be happy?

lots of people wouldnt be happy = bad for
".... lots of people woulnt be happy = bad for canon"
Lots of people? Mabye a few who have recently purchased a G3.

not that releasing a g would turn everyone to other
companies, but people would be more hesitant to buy from a company
that did stuff this way.
Did what stuff? Released new product when it was ready?
Oh my, those naughty Canon guys.

I guess that they should just hold it back and watch all the market drift over to Nikon, Olympus and Sony etc who are not so smart since they seem to be releasing new product improvements.
 
what stops them from having a G4 or a G3-B (hehhee) complimenting the G3 then???

either way I hope canon comes out with another prosumer cam to compete with nikon.
g3 hit the markets less then half a year ago, last time today i saw
a photography magazine with a review of the "new canon g3" you
know, they dont build up cameras in a day, teh s50 (if it is true)
is kind of a complimentary to the s45, wich is kind of the light
edition of s50 (or atleast this is how i presume it is) but the g3
is canons flagship consumer camera, i doubt there will be a g4
soon....
 
im going to wuit using the number four. canon should too. ;-)
alfalfa
what is the chinese number for death?
There isn't a Chinese number for death. But the pronunciation of
"4" in one of the Chinese languages is (or was?) close to that of
"death", so there is a tendency to avoid "4", especially a "4" at
the end of a number, even in languages that have always had
perfectly valid ways of pronouncing "4" that do not sound like
"death".
--
http://get.to/alfalfa/
Canon A-1, EOS 30 (Elan 7), Ixus v3 (s230), Oly C-3030, Lomo LC-A
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christofurry

http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=523846
 
precisely.. the japs and chinese aren't exactly best buddies..

no japanese speak chinese.. so there u go.. that doesn't seem like a valid reason
alfalfa
what is the chinese number for death?
There isn't a Chinese number for death. But the pronunciation of
"4" in one of the Chinese languages is (or was?) close to that of
"death", so there is a tendency to avoid "4", especially a "4" at
the end of a number, even in languages that have always had
perfectly valid ways of pronouncing "4" that do not sound like
"death".
--
http://get.to/alfalfa/
Canon A-1, EOS 30 (Elan 7), Ixus v3 (s230), Oly C-3030, Lomo LC-A
 
Well Nikon produced a few products ending in 4, like the yecky N4004. or the F4. I don't think they are sthat superstitious anymore.

But seriously.
I think the next Canon prosumer should have a larger zoom lens.
perhaps a pro90 IS replacement is in the works.
this camera was too ahead of it's time.

and now all the big zoomers are in style like the minolta 7 series, the 5700, and fuji s602Z, sony 717...
Canon's got to make a bigger zoom.

just looking at the specs the G3/G2 is clearly under Zoom/under pixel from the new guys.
I don't think it's too early for a replacement.

I am using the coolpix 990, and just itching to have an excuse for a new one. We've put over 5000 pictures on it, and it's paid for itself so I'm looking hard at the G3. everything looks good, I just wish it had a larger zoom but still retain the fast max. Fstop.
A threaded filter instead of that adapter gizmo would be welcomed too.
alfalfa
what is the chinese number for death?
There isn't a Chinese number for death. But the pronunciation of
"4" in one of the Chinese languages is (or was?) close to that of
"death", so there is a tendency to avoid "4", especially a "4" at
the end of a number, even in languages that have always had
perfectly valid ways of pronouncing "4" that do not sound like
"death".
--
http://get.to/alfalfa/
Canon A-1, EOS 30 (Elan 7), Ixus v3 (s230), Oly C-3030, Lomo LC-A
--
When In doubt, whip it out.( the manual, that is)
 
well I was pretty shocked when I saw the new S50. It definitely is
true since its on Walmart. UNLESS walmart got hacked bad by a canon
fan. heh.

either way I was just thinking.. the G series is canon's top of the
line and having an ultra compact (s) having a larger megapixel
count is totally odd. I can almost bet that G4 will come out real
soon.

seeing that S50 came out not too long after S45, I can almost bet
G4 will come out in the next 3 months or so.

finally I can set my sight on a 5 megapixel cam :) gotta start
saving right now!!

its also strange that there's no model replacing the 330.. doesn't
anybody think so? MAYBE canon is thinking of releasing another
generation of cams.. probably even better than the G?
if Canon sticks by their behavior of releasing a new G every year since the G1 - then the G4 is scheduled to come out this year too (2003).

another point to consider is that most of the other manufacturers are releasing 5mp models left and right... so is canon expected just to sit by while they're loosing their market to the other brands? course not, right?

even analysts at CNN and the other shows on TV are all saying that there will be a 40 percent increase in demand for digital cameras this year... so I think Canon is gearing up for that... with the newest and latest that they can possibly have. (like the S50, A70 and that new 4mp Ixus I think). Sony and Nikon are all doing the same - releasing newer models which are incrementally improved over the previous ones.

so it's definitely inevitable...

now about the "when" ... well, if they release or surprise us soon with a G4 or a G5 soon, well, all I can say is that it wouldn't make their G3 market happy.

=)

cheers!
 
hmmm, maybe i should note - again - that it doesnt bother me whatsoever that canon releases new cameras whenever they want to. i was speaking on behalf of all the people who want the latest thing. if i was in that position [if you read my posts youd know im not] then i wouldnt be happy. i would probably give up on having the latest thing and decide to buy used. sure, canon is benefitted by people buying their used products [they get a canon product, like it, probably stick with canon, buy more canon junk in the future], but not close to the benefits of having people buy their junk new. maybe i would be the only person who would do this in this circumstance, and if so, then oh well.
i agree, i dont think it would be wise for canon to realease
another g for a while.
Not wise? On what basis? Canon have professional marketers whose
job it is to determine the appropriate time to release new products
that their engineers develop - and they are doing just that. So
what do you suggest?
read my posts? :)
Hold them back from market just because you
might not be happy?
im not upset at another g coming out. read my posts. youll see that i said otherwise, such as 'heck, it doesnt bother me' - first line of one of my posts.
lots of people wouldnt be happy = bad for
".... lots of people woulnt be happy = bad for canon"
Lots of people? Mabye a few who have recently purchased a G3.
my idea of lots could be those 'few who have recently purchased a g3.' yeah, canons sales report [or whatever you would call something like that] looks a little like:

we sold a million of this, a billion of this, a few thousand of this, a million of that, and a few g3s.

so, sure, those few people is what i meant. im pretty sure that the amount of folks who have bought a new g3 is a good number. granted, not all of them are unhappy about a new g coming out. maybe none of them. but if i had bought a g3 then i might be hesitant to buy new from them in the future. maybe there is someone.. one person out there? ..who would share the same view as me. no, i dont have that view, im not speaking for myself, but i cant see how im not making any [maybe some? :)] sense to anyone reading this junk.
not that releasing a g would turn everyone to other
companies, but people would be more hesitant to buy from a company
that did stuff this way.
Did what stuff? Released new product when it was ready?
Oh my, those naughty Canon guys.
you seem to be trying to write as if i had that attitude when i didnt. good job.
I guess that they should just hold it back and watch all the market
drift over to Nikon, Olympus and Sony etc who are not so smart
since they seem to be releasing new product improvements.
thats totally what i meant and want to happen. one could assume that i think its not smart to release new products, but that person achieve ignorance too easily. now that i think about it... the market would surely drift over to nikon, olympus and sony. why? well, is the g3 still not an awesome [quite new] camera???? did it not get like the highest ratings by phil in comparison to similar cameras??? yeah, its still superior. when nikon, olympus, or sony have a camera that gets:

Detail Rating (out of 10)
Construction 9
Features 9
Image quality 8.5
Lens / CCD combination 9
Ease of use 9
Value for money 9

and this said about it:

All things considered, the G3 does offer the best overall package for the aspiring shutterbug, seasoned prosumer digital camera owner and even as a backup for a D-SLR owner.

...then maybe canon should worry. but hey, the g3 would be out for a few more years before other companies could accomplish this [;-) just pickin] now seriously, i know an update has to come sometime...

MY_ entire purpose for bringing anything up in the first place was that if i was all about buying the most brand new camera on the market [and had just bought a g3], i would come to the point where i would be fed up with buying a new camera every five months [or however long it actually is or however long i actually stated in my post, i dont remember, hold me to whatever number you want]. NO, i do not represent this person.

hmm... nevermind, im wrong, it wont hurt canon, people are gonna buy the latest thing... because having the latests camera is obviously the only way you can take good photographs :)

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christofurry

http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=523846
 
A threaded filter instead of that adapter gizmo would be welcomed too.
yes, this would be nice. theres something about the lens right now on the g's - its wobbly and doesnt seems strong enough to support add-ons directly. but hey, if they made the lens stronger and put threads on it, thatd be double good :)
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When In doubt, whip it out.( the manual, that is)
-hahaha

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christofurry

http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=523846
 
if Canon sticks by their behavior of releasing a new G every year
since the G1 - then the G4 is scheduled to come out this year too
(2003).

another point to consider is that most of the other manufacturers
are releasing 5mp models left and right... so is canon expected
just to sit by while they're loosing their market to the other
brands? course not, right?

even analysts at CNN and the other shows on TV are all saying that
there will be a 40 percent increase in demand for digital cameras
this year... so I think Canon is gearing up for that... with the
newest and latest that they can possibly have. (like the S50, A70
and that new 4mp Ixus I think). Sony and Nikon are all doing the
same - releasing newer models which are incrementally improved over
the previous ones.

so it's definitely inevitable...

now about the "when" ... well, if they release or surprise us soon
with a G4 or a G5 soon, well, all I can say is that it wouldn't
make their G3 market happy.
daggumit!!!!, this is exactly the point is was trying to get across [grrr :)] and people dont give me any slack whatsoever. example:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=4444017

maybe i just stated my thoughts with the wrong words and that just messed everything up. maybe phil should come out with a new product, the g7, a forum where our points get across with no confusion... phil, are you listening? :-D just kidding. that would be nice though...
=)

cheers!
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christofurry

http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=523846
 
There isn't a Chinese number for death. But the pronunciation of
"4" in one of the Chinese languages is (or was?) close to that of
"death", so there is a tendency to avoid "4", especially a "4" at
the end of a number, even in languages that have always had
perfectly valid ways of pronouncing "4" that do not sound like
"death".
Canon is a Japanese company why should they bother about Chinese
mythology?
The Japanese writing system is based on Chinese, and a lot of beliefs and vocabulary came into the Japanese language from that use of the Chinese writing system.

It isn't just Japanese, BTW, Korean also has some of these beliefs and I'm told that Vietnamese does too.
 
Well Nikon produced a few products ending in 4, like the yecky
N4004. or the F4.
That's true--but how well did they do domestically?

The Apple G4 sells well, but that's a foreign company.
I don't think they are sthat superstitious
anymore.
I'm in Japan. It's fun to ask people if they are superstitious about "end in death" numbers--everyone says "of course not", but then I ask "Would you buy something that had such a number?" Uneasy silence.
But seriously.
I think the next Canon prosumer should have a larger zoom lens.
perhaps a pro90 IS replacement is in the works.
this camera was too ahead of it's time.
You know, I got annoyed that the Pro90 came out so soon after I bought my G1--basically the same set of features with that lovely IS zoom lens, but a slightly smaller pixel count precisely because of that lens. I eventually convinced myself that the Pro90 was too big for me and I wanted all those pixels too, but now that I'm looking for an upgrade from my G1, I'm kinda wishing.....

Can the G3's CCD be used with that zoom lens? Even if it means fewer active pixels?

And my photography instructor keeps dropping hints that I should wait a little before buying something new....
 
Yeah, I considered the pro 90 as well, but the lost pixel was a serious turn off. If Canon can make a higher pixel chip that is more compact then the one used in the pro 90, then there shouldn't be any loss pixels.

At this point, after comparing the Sony f717 and the Nikon 5700. Canon has the user interaface that I like best. On the other camera, there's too many things to memorize to get the mode or the feature you want to use. Cameras should be made to be intuative, not have the user go thru the 300 page manual just to change the color balance or whatever.

I think the G3 set up so close to the EOS cameras(which I have) makes me feel right at home. I am just waiting for a bigger zoom. ImageStabilizer would certainly give canon an advantage compared to the other 5mega pix cameras.
I think the next Canon prosumer should have a larger zoom lens.
perhaps a pro90 IS replacement is in the works.
this camera was too ahead of it's time.
You know, I got annoyed that the Pro90 came out so soon after I
bought my G1--basically the same set of features with that lovely
IS zoom lens, but a slightly smaller pixel count precisely because
of that lens. I eventually convinced myself that the Pro90 was too
big for me and I wanted all those pixels too, but now that I'm
looking for an upgrade from my G1, I'm kinda wishing.....

Can the G3's CCD be used with that zoom lens? Even if it means
fewer active pixels?

And my photography instructor keeps dropping hints that I should
wait a little before buying something new....
--
When In doubt, whip it out.( the manual, that is)
 
hmmm, maybe i should note - again - that it doesnt bother me
whatsoever that canon releases new cameras whenever they want to.
If it does not bother you, why do you keep on posting?
i was speaking on behalf of all the people who want the latest
thing. if i was in that position [if you read my posts youd know
im not] then i wouldnt be happy. i would probably give up on
having the latest thing and decide to buy used. sure, canon is
benefitted by people buying their used products [they get a canon
product, like it, probably stick with canon, buy more canon junk in
the future],
Canon junk?

but not close to the benefits of having people buy
their junk new. maybe i would be the only person who would do this
in this circumstance, and if so, then oh well.
i agree, i dont think it would be wise for canon to realease
another g for a while.
Not wise? On what basis? Canon have professional marketers whose
job it is to determine the appropriate time to release new products
that their engineers develop - and they are doing just that. So
what do you suggest?
read my posts? :)
I have, unfortunately.
They are repetitive, contradictory and full of spelling and grammatical errors.
Hold them back from market just because you
might not be happy?
im not upset at another g coming out. read my posts.
If you are not upset, why do you say ".... lots of people wouldnt be happy" Are you talking for yourself or do you have some insight into what others are thinking?
youll see
that i said otherwise, such as 'heck, it doesnt bother me' - first
line of one of my posts.
It certainly does seem to bother you. You post all over the place.
lots of people wouldnt be happy = bad for
".... lots of people woulnt be happy = bad for canon"
Lots of people? Mabye a few who have recently purchased a G3.
my idea of lots could be those 'few who have recently purchased a
g3.' yeah, canons sales report [or whatever you would call
something like that] looks a little like:
we sold a million of this, a billion of this, a few thousand of
this, a million of that, and a few g3s.
Not upset?
so, sure, those few people is what i meant. im pretty sure that
the amount of folks who have bought a new g3 is a good number.
granted, not all of them are unhappy about a new g coming out.
maybe none of them. but if i had bought a g3 then i might be
hesitant to buy new from them in the future. maybe there is
someone.. one person out there? ..who would share the same view as
me. no, i dont have that view, im not speaking for myself, but i
cant see how im not making any [maybe some? :)] sense to anyone
reading this junk.
You are quite correct, it is junk!
not that releasing a g would turn everyone to other
companies, but people would be more hesitant to buy from a company
that did stuff this way.
Proof?
Did what stuff? Released new product when it was ready?
Oh my, those naughty Canon guys.
you seem to be trying to write as if i had that attitude when i
didnt. good job.
Thank you!
I guess that they should just hold it back and watch all the market
drift over to Nikon, Olympus and Sony etc who are not so smart
since they seem to be releasing new product improvements.
thats totally what i meant and want to happen. one could assume
that i think its not smart to release new products, but that person
achieve ignorance too easily. now that i think about it... the
market would surely drift over to nikon, olympus and sony. why?
well, is the g3 still not an awesome [quite new] camera???? did it
not get like the highest ratings by phil in comparison to similar
cameras??? yeah, its still superior. when nikon, olympus, or sony
have a camera that gets:

Detail Rating (out of 10)
Construction 9
Features 9
Image quality 8.5
Lens / CCD combination 9
Ease of use 9
Value for money 9

and this said about it:
All things considered, the G3 does offer the best overall package
for the aspiring shutterbug, seasoned prosumer digital camera owner
and even as a backup for a D-SLR owner.
I thought you said above "..... probably stick with canon, buy more canon junk in the future"
Canon junk? Contradictory?, never.
...then maybe canon should worry. but hey, the g3 would be out for
a few more years before other companies could accomplish this [;-)
Exageration surely?
just pickin] now seriously, i know an update has to come
sometime...
MY_ entire purpose for bringing anything up in the first
place was that if i was all about buying the most brand new camera
on the market [and had just bought a g3], i would come to the point
where i would be fed up with buying a new camera every five months
If you can do this, you have either too much money or time on your hands! (perhaps both)
[or however long it actually is or however long i actually stated
in my post, i dont remember, hold me to whatever number you want].
NO, i do not represent this person.

hmm... nevermind, im wrong,
Of course!

it wont hurt canon, people are gonna
buy the latest thing... because having the latests camera is
obviously the only way you can take good photographs :)
Not true, but if a new camera is coming out it may be worth delaying the purchase for a few weeks/months. In that case the G4 or whatever, might be an even better camera than the present G3. In any case, it is inevitable that the price of the G3 will fall even further.
 
finally I can set my sight on a 5 megapixel cam :) gotta start
saving right now!!
What makes you think 5MP is such a big deal. The G3, with only 4 MP, already rivals the image quality of manuy 5MP models, without the serious noise and chromatic aberration issues evident in 5MP cameras such as the Olympus 5050z.

Do you realize that one extra megapixel is almost nothing in terms of image size and resolution?
 
well that's somewhat true..

basically I'm in no hurry to get a new camera so I'll wait till the time is right. anybody can tell me more about G3's shutter lag?

I have a 330 and the shutter lag is real bad.. by my standards.. using my cousin's slr... gosh its such a huge difference!
anybody can compare the g3's shutter lag with 330???

thanks
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finally I can set my sight on a 5 megapixel cam :) gotta start
saving right now!!
What makes you think 5MP is such a big deal. The G3, with only 4
MP, already rivals the image quality of manuy 5MP models, without
the serious noise and chromatic aberration issues evident in 5MP
cameras such as the Olympus 5050z.

Do you realize that one extra megapixel is almost nothing in terms
of image size and resolution?
 
a. canon is not who is bothering me to the point of posting again. its that people dont grasp my point in the first place and are making it out to be different than what im saying.

b. junk - it seems you have misinterpreted me. junk = stuff. i use junk instead of stuff sometimes, but im sorry for confusing you by using junk as opposed to stuff.

c. repetitive - yes, people still arent grasping my point and here i am repeating myself again [a lot of it is my fault, ill get to that later].

contradictory - ok, after tons [not tons as in weight, but tons as in 'lots of'] hard searching :) i found something that i wrote incorrectly. in a previous thread i wrote:

'im not worried about losing money on an 'investment' because i bought a camera three months ago which now has a successor. so i wasnt speaking for myself.'
what i meant [i promise] was:

'im not worried about losing money on an 'investment' because i didnt buy a brand new camera three months ago which now has a successor. so i wasnt speaking for myself.'

further, i bought my camera two months ago when it already had a successor, the g3, like i have already stated in previous posts. that would be why i wasnt worried about losing money on an investment, i bought it used, got a good price, and im not worried about its retail price or resale value dropping. you might also note that my posts were more towards those who buy the latest thing [i assumed [assuming is bad, i realize that so that is probably where im totally wrong in all of this, that buying a new camera every three months would become a pain in the butt sooner or later], and thats that i was focused on more than any - until it came to people not understanding what i meant [and me not being clear some places].

full of spelling errors - approximately one percent of my words is not something i would consider full.

grammar errors - youre right, i dont capitalize the first word of every sentance, proper nouns, et cetera... and then there are those compound sentances. :-d. i came to this thread after reading complaints in another thread concerning new models and people having just bought an s45 and now theyre going to HAVE to get the latest model - the s50.

e. It doesn't bother me that Canon is releasing new products. What WOULD bother me is if I had to have the latest thing. With Canon coming out with successors (s50 for example) to (what I thought were) new products (s45 for example), I would soon tire of desiring the latest gadgets and I would probably start buying used products.

Now what is bothering me is that people don't understand my simple points. No, I am not saying that Canon's products are terrible, it's clearly obvious that I'm not saying that. I used junk instead of 'stuff.'

f. yes, upset is characterized by smiling when posting. you clearly still think that im 'upset' at canon. thats not correct, i am bothered - and if you want to call it 'upset' you can :) - that i have to figure out new ways to explain my thoughts after exhausting other easily understandable explanations already. i do see how some of the ways i stated things can be taken the wrong way, so i am sorry about that.
g. thats not how i meant junk.
h. i dont have any proof, thats just how it would be for me.
i. :)

j. now i see what you mean by contradictory. i shouldnt have used 'junk' like that, but im serious, i was not referring to quality, i just meant canon stuff. i wouldnt have put phils comments of the g3 and his ratings of it to try to prove that its a piece of trash. :) i did not mean to be this misunderstood. this is more than i could have ever imagined possible.

k. exaggeration, yes. thats why it was accompanied with a smiley face - to be a hint that i was exaggerating.

l. yeah, in the s50 threads there are s45 owners talking about buying the s50 now that they see its coming out.
m. i was just saying that in hopes that there would be no more replies. :)
n. youre correct, and i would hope that the g4 would be better than the g3.

alright, im sure canons survival does not depend on a g4 or anything, so i didnt mean that canon would fall apart if they release a g4 right now. i think that most of this argument has sprung from me saying the part about 'i dont think it would be wise if canon blah blah blah'. shubbies, youre right, they have people who know when to release their stuff. i know theyre doing a better job than i could do. i said the 'wise' part without thinking past being in the position that i would get tired of buying new product after new product. so i was wrong about the not being wise part, im sure theyre a wise company. i also think i see where i confused you in some places as well. i thought i was making sense, its just some things i said like 'wise' and 'junk' that made it seem like i was saying something else. im sorry about that. haha, this thread got way out of hand and im more to blame than anyone im sure. if you want to reply back to some things ive said in this post, feel free, if not, just as good. im tired of this topic, and its exhausted me. it has taught me to be clear and not use ambiguous words, so ill work on that in the future. i really am sorry for all the confusion. i hope it makes more sense now. if it doesnt, then oh well.. i dont have the time to spend here anymore. again, im sorry for all the confusion. have an awesome day, maybe well talk more in the future [hopefully about something different :)] bye!!

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I was shocked as well to see the release statements concerning the S50, seeing as how the S45 still isn't available in a lot of retail shelves. Perhaps it's in response of all these recent announcements of compact 5 meg cameras from several manufacturers. I agree that it opens the door for a 4 meg pixel elph series with probably at least 3x optical zoom and I just can't believe that Canon would have a digital camera offering with higher resolution then their flagship G series so I am extremely doubtful, it will be several months to a year before the G3 is replaced with a higher resolution equivalent.

It appears that higher pixel count sells cameras. It's a lot like the CPU race between Intel and AMD. Despite the fact that lower CPU speed Athlons could be Intel Pentiums in several benchmark tests, people still look for CPU speed ratings as the first indicator of processor power.
well I was pretty shocked when I saw the new S50. It definitely is
true since its on Walmart. UNLESS walmart got hacked bad by a canon
fan. heh.

either way I was just thinking.. the G series is canon's top of the
line and having an ultra compact (s) having a larger megapixel
count is totally odd. I can almost bet that G4 will come out real
soon.

seeing that S50 came out not too long after S45, I can almost bet
G4 will come out in the next 3 months or so.

finally I can set my sight on a 5 megapixel cam :) gotta start
saving right now!!

its also strange that there's no model replacing the 330.. doesn't
anybody think so? MAYBE canon is thinking of releasing another
generation of cams.. probably even better than the G?
 

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