V1 - worth buying?

Started May 11, 2012 | Discussions thread
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Re: V1 - worth buying?

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Tord S Eriksson wrote:

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Yes, facts are facts. I don't know about the J1, but the V1 is [Nonsense]

The wife's OM-D has an amazing AF, faster and more exact than the V1's, to my sorrow!

And the OM-D's sensor works very well at ISO 3200, where the V1 starts to struggle. In very dim light the excellent anti-shake of the OM-D shows that it is quite a bit better than that in the V1's lenses (the 10 has no anti-shake, by the way).

Sorry, but after having had an E-3 for about two years I prefer lens based IS and not sensor shift. I find the VR of the V1 lenses I have excellent and need nothing better.

[ Sorry to butt in here Tord... ]

The problem with lens-based IS is that it you don't always have it! Two of the five Nikon 1 lenses announced so far do not have IS/VR. On the OM-D, with its in-camera system, Tord's wife has IS on every lens she attaches.

Well, that's hardly news for any Nikon user, but thanks for telling us. Remember that I had a camera which had that feature and sold it in favor of lens based VR, also spend a bucket of money on some lenses which don't have VR at all and I have not regretted one penny of it. This was not meant to be a sand pit discussion as you are trying to make it into, so neither I nor Tord care. We know all that very well.

Fair enough - you seemed to ignore that point when Tord mentioned that the Nikon 10mm has no VR.

I am not sure what you mean. It is a well known fact that the 10mm does not have VR, but in any case at that focal length it is hardly necessary IMHO. It is also a fact that Nikon has some primes without VR. I have a 35/1.8, 50/1.8 and 60/28 without VR and those are my most used lenses.

As an aside, the E-3 dates from 2007 so is pretty irrelevant as a comparison, and the new 5-axis IS in the OM-D is very significantly improved over all previous Olympus cameras (as I'm sure you know).

Again, none of that is news but it is also well known that the IS is not always as one expects it. The OMD IS is a bit noisy, unlike the Nikon 1 VR, which is practically without a sound so the built im mike can be used without any problems with lens noise.

Nope. In movie mode on the OM-D there is zero IS noise... just like the V1.

Sure, with the IS off and no AF. Or....?

To avoid fuzzy pictures with the V1 in low light, change to S, instead of Auto, or A! 1/60 sec is a good setting, unless you're a very steady lad ;-)! With the wider lenses (10 & 10-30) you can lower the exposure time further.

Yes, if you feel that the V1 uses too low shutter speed S or M mode is the one to be used. Did you install the new firmware? Does it make any difference?

Both the OM-D and the V1 are amazingly capable, compared to what similar cameras managed just a few years back. Earlier PENs (including E-P3) used an old style sensor, thus were pretty bad in low light, while the closest comparable to the V1 I guess is the Pentax Q, which uses an even smaller sensor!

Yes, I am pretty sure that the OMD is also very nice. What I dislike about it is the extremely loud shutter and the feeling of the shutter smashing the side. I don't know if the shutter moves sideways but it certainly feels like it does. It feels as it is as loud as my D300s though I did not use them side by side. One thing is sure, the V1 is much quieter even with the mechanical shutter.

"Extremely loud"? "Shutter smashing"? I think the OM-D camera you were using must have been broken - or you are making a huge exaggeration.

Yes, well... if that's your impression then fine, but no, the camera I tested was not broken at all, but perhaps next time I make a sound recording to measure the level differences if I have enough time.

But yes, from memory the V1 shutter is a little quieter than the OM-D. I'm sure Tord could test it for us...

The V1 has electronic shutter as an alternative to mechanical, so while the mechanical shutter makes sound the electronic makes ZERO sound, so it is infinitely more quiet than the OMD. You can use the camera under any situation, even where you are expected to be silent. Tord is not really needed for this test, it's enough if you read the specs to realize that this is a fact.

No need to read specs - I remember the electronic shutter and "F" button perfectly well. However, you were talking about the mechanical shutter ("the V1 is much quieter even with the mechanical shutter"). I agreed it is quieter, but the OM-D is hardly "shutter smashing".

I don't know about the Pentax Q and I am not very interested in even smaller sensors. The DOF is already painfully deep with the V1 so I don't want a smaller sensor camera.

Agreed on the DOF issue... Nikon desperately need to release some fast lenses.

I might pick up a Pentax Q for fun though if the price ever drops to bargain levels...

Not for me. I am happy with the D300s when I need narrow DOF.

Hmm... you don't want a fast lens for your V1 ?

Of course I want them, I have said that many times that I'd be standing first in line if one of the right focal length becomes available. Never the less, the larger sensor will always provide better DOF control, so for portraits the APS-C or FX cameras are preferred. Even the FT/MT has far too small sensors for those kind of images.

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