(SR5) HOT! Sony NEX-5R and NEX-6 images leaked!!!

Yeah, I hope they keep the 5 series as close to the 5n/5r as possible in the future, meaning I hope they keep it as modular as possible (as slim as possible with as many add-on options as possible, so it's whatever camera you want at the moment). Not that it's perfect for everyone, but it is a distinct product design with a clear place in the lineup. The 3, 6 and 7 appear to be so as well. In the future I am not sure whether I'll be sticking with the 5 or 6 series, probably still the 5 series, but I really like where all of this is going.

The only puzzle in my head is who uses a PASM button. Then again, maybe if I had one, I'd use it more.
 
ProfHankD, you are making the prospect of apps sound appealing. What are the chances that there will be reasonably convenient access to a quite raw level of pixel information, allowing app-controllable pixel binning (and possibly new native file storage types as well) at reasonable speed? Be fun to have a 6 megapixel Nex 7 option that stored .DNG files directly for example.
 
To tell you the truth, they look like fake to me. At least the 6. It has things that sony left out in previuos models, things from the past that made the nex line a line from the future, that didnt look back.

Why add the mode dial? That is ridiculous. Why not add a trinav wheel (binav?).
I'm glad that Sony is going more conventional with these cameras. I prefer the mode dial as seen in the 6. It also has a control dial below it. I also love the sight of "Fn" button on both. Overall, an immensely positive step on UI that is my greatest complaint with current NEX models.
And finally, the hotshoe adapter, looks like something very old.
It is prototypical.
 
It looks like a step backwards in terms of dials. NEX-7 nails it with the combination of two unlabeled dials plus the wheel. It looks like Sony is either concerned about cannibalizing NEX-7 sales, or they can't tell a good thing when they see it, and think the way forward is "retro".
My greatest complaint with NEX has been its UI, not just for being scattered all over, with no logical flow to it, but also over-reliance on LCD based guidance. Mode dial, for example, makes sense the way I see on NEX-6... no having to press a button to get to it, then selecting it, then making a selection out of it. This is especially useful to someone like me who switches back and forth (a lot) between A, S and M modes.

Also nice to see if the carryover of "Fn" button from Alpha series on both 5R and 6. Another thing that required way too much digging and driving through menus to get to. These are the kind of things I was wishing for.

And there is an additional dial below the mode dial in NEX-6.
 
I hope at least the one for the NEX-6 are real, but the side photo of the grip looks to be too wide to be from a NEX camera. Specially when you look at the backside of the grip.
It would be a non-issue to me. The lenses, even pancakes, protrude farther than that, so as long as the grip "works"...
 
true, kinda look like prototypes.. just looked "cheap" to me.

don't get me wrong, I'm all up for NEX-6 with phase-AF and the EVF! :)
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I might be being too optimistic but having the PASM dial out might indicate some changes to the UI since elements of the menu are being taken out maybe the new UI is more streamlined.
 
Why is the 5R the only new model out without a built in flash? I wonder why they decided the New 3 Series needed a built in flash but not the 5?

Also why can't they bring back the new articulating screen that had a much better downward tilt?! I use that more for over the head shots then the stupid self portrait...
 
They will be, unless Sony has decided to offer redundancy. LCD based would still work to some extent, but not as well as dedicated basic controls as I see in the 6, if the UI in the older NEX models wasn't scattered all over. Months later, I still can't remember where I should go to change orientation of sweep panorama, and where to go for other features related to it. Would have been less fussy to have "Dial" (which is okay in older UI), "Fn", "Menu" as options instead of having some options of each here, or there.
 
I might be being too optimistic but having the PASM dial out might indicate some changes to the UI since elements of the menu are being taken out maybe the new UI is more streamlined.
I wouldn't be too optimistic about that, since moving the mode dial might just be a short cut to the shoot mode menu. On the other hand, I read a rumor somewhere that the UI is being changed to be more like the RX100/alpha SLT's.
 
Why is the 5R the only new model out without a built in flash? I wonder why they decided the New 3 Series needed a built in flash but not the 5?
Personally I am glad they left the 5n profile largely intact, so it remains the most compact form factor in the NEX series. There are other NEX choices for those who want built-in flash or EVF.
Also why can't they bring back the new articulating screen that had a much better downward tilt?! I use that more for over the head shots then the stupid self portrait...
I agree. I hope they fixed the downward tilt limitation in the 5R, but I am not optimistic...
 
Well...if you see the details my friend, there is a lot of distorsion going there (see the scale) and then, if you start counting the mm, you will see is kinda the same as current NEX-5/5N/5R/F3/6/7 grip.
I hope at least the one for the NEX-6 are real, but the side photo of the grip looks to be too wide to be from a NEX camera. Specially when you look at the backside of the grip.
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It looks like the much-cmplained-about NEX menu architecture may be officially dead - the NEX6 has a mode dial atop it, and the 5R has an Fn button at the top...big clues that the NEX menus may have finally been overhauled for something more Alpha/RX like.

So now remains the small outside hope that some firmware update may be available to load the new style menus into existing NEX bodies.

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Why is the 5R the only new model out without a built in flash? I wonder why they decided the New 3 Series needed a built in flash but not the 5?
The NEX-5/5N has been praised because of the form factor and size. If they keep the 5R, they will be loyal to the main goal of NEX-series. Power of a full size camera in body of a lightweight. And they still added the Fn button and a dial. It's all about compromises. If they wanted to add the built-in flash, you will see a lot of people complaining why the increase in body size. Better to have the small form factor that has been a trademark of 5-series.
Also why can't they bring back the new articulating screen that had a much better downward tilt?! I use that more for over the head shots then the stupid self portrait...
Here I agree with you. I find myself taking more pictures with the downward tilt screen more than with the NEX-F3 180 flip screen unless they addresed that outcome.

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Proud Sony NEX 5 user =D
 
Both look great but I'm very interested in the 5r if the sensor lives up to expectations, specifically the phase-detect focus. I love my 5n but if there's one complaint that would push me to upgrade, it's that anytime movement gets involved, I'm stuck with blurry shots, so hopefully this new sensor can alleviate this.
 
I might be being too optimistic but having the PASM dial out might indicate some changes to the UI since elements of the menu are being taken out maybe the new UI is more streamlined.
I wouldn't be too optimistic about that, since moving the mode dial might just be a short cut to the shoot mode menu. On the other hand, I read a rumor somewhere that the UI is being changed to be more like the RX100/alpha SLT's.
If they're adding APP capabilities to the new NEX cameras then a change to the menu UI is almost inevitable. Where would they put the APP menu when the 6 main icons already fill the menu screen?
 
Both look great but I'm very interested in the 5r if the sensor lives up to expectations, specifically the phase-detect focus. I love my 5n but if there's one complaint that would push me to upgrade, it's that anytime movement gets involved, I'm stuck with blurry shots, so hopefully this new sensor can alleviate this.
Sounds more like a lens issue than sensor. What lens are you using?
 
true, kinda look like prototypes.. just looked "cheap" to me.

don't get me wrong, I'm all up for NEX-6 with phase-AF and the EVF! :)
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That was the first thing I noticed as well.

They all had a very cheap "plasticy" look about them.
 
They ARE prototypes. If these are the cameras being tested, not unlike a prototype for a new model of a car being tested under "temporary" cover or even in older chassis (if simply working with drivetrain, for example).
 
ProfHankD, you are making the prospect of apps sound appealing. What are the chances that there will be reasonably convenient access to a quite raw level of pixel information, allowing app-controllable pixel binning (and possibly new native file storage types as well) at reasonable speed? Be fun to have a 6 megapixel Nex 7 option that stored .DNG files directly for example.
Pixel binning works better in the analog domain, which I doubt is controllable. However, the manipulation of the raw capture buffer is a piece of cake... if and only if Sony wants to allow it .

The real questions are:

1. Who gets to write apps? If it's just Sony, it's pointless. I've been suggesting for years that the right way to do this is to allow anyone to write and run their own apps, but to mark the camera warranty as void the first time an app not approved by Sony is run. That way, you'd have "Sony approved" (digitally signed) apps and a very easy and open path for developers. A more likely alternative would be to have a process for becoming an approved developer, which may require NDAs. For example, this is how Canon distributes the SDKs for Windows machines to access their cameras.

2. How does an app hook into the camera firmware? CHDK uses several different methods: scripts written in Lua or Basic, compiled C code run as a an application (e.g., reversi), a command in a script, or triggered by events (e.g., screen update causing zebra highlighting or storing an image causing conversion to a DNG). It is actually quite awkward to run your own C code in a CHDK camera, and a bug will easily crash (but not brick) the camera. I'm hoping Sony is using one of the cleaner interfaces available under Linux to allow apps to do any of these types of operations; I'd love an SDK allowing compiled C code to securely access things via standard Linux mechanisms (sockets, dev files, etc.) -- that way, no app should have to be part of the system firmware. I hope Sony doesn't restrict things to a simple scripting interface; that way the mistake made by Digita -- you could run code in your camera, but that code had no access to the camera per se... for example, on my Kodak DC260, a script couldn't even click the shutter! This is why Digita never caught on....

3. How much compute resource is available? Processors in cameras are fairly beefy, and many have a little custom accelerator or two (e.g., hardware JPEG compression engine), but cameras are real-time systems with limited resources. For example, the depth-from-focus that my students implemented in a CHDK PowerShot took no more than a few seconds to capture the scene, but something like 30 seconds to generate the depth map. Perhaps Sony will allow us to get around this by offloading compute to another system via wireless... not an option for CHDK. ;)
 

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