EX2F availability now September 12, 2012

The Jacal wrote:
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How are they suspect? I'm not saying they're not, but how do you know?

Because as I wrote, "Those samples were so bad that they're highly suspect". It's not too unusual for new models to produce slightly lower IQ, but the operative word that describes the degradation is " slight ". If you have to ask "how do you know" because you don't see how bad the samples were, that says something about your ability to judge. I think that it's more about rhetoric though since you left yourself an "out" by writing "I'm not saying they're not".

You mentioned "those suspect samples" , not the 'possibly suspect samples' or 'the stragely bad samples', no, it was those suspect samples

Of course, and it's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Calling them "suspect" doesn't say that I know that they're bad, just that they might be, and in this case they're bad enough that most reasonable photographers could substitute "probably are" for "might be". If you think that there's nothing suspicious about those samples then you either know little about photography or you don't know the English language very well. The samples are suspect, and whether you are able to understand that or not is your problem, not ours. Some of DPR's NX Studio Sample photos contained in their NX review were also suspect and I said so at the time that they were initially posted. DPR first denied that, giving all sorts of reasons why they were perfectly fine when the samples showed that the NX200 produced some really awful images. DPR eventually capitulated and re-shot the samples using a 60mm NX lens instead of the manual focus Pentax 50mm lens that was originally used. The new NX sample photos were vastly superior, with DPR admitting that they produced higher resolution than the NEX7's images. This wasn't the fault of the otherwise excellent NEX7. It was due to the lower quality NEX lens that was used to shoot its Studio images. It would probably have been much worse if DPR used the same Pentax lens on the NEX7 for the Studio sample images.

I really don't care if the lunatics start to run the asylum, nobody will win. Please open your eyes and try and be objective.

I have been. It's you that seems to want to run the asylum, after helping snake to turn the forum into an asylum. Your frequently posted "mission" shows only that even without this forum, you're captive in your own internal asylum.

There's the anger.

You only see the anger reflected in the mirror I've held up in front of you.

If I may I would like to remind you of this.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1001&message=42251374

Good post, thanks for the reminder. If anyone bites at your link I'd like to help them with a bit of explanatory context. What I wrote about a forum "troll" didn't refer to either of the two names quoted in the reply. It referred to KingDon, the longtime forum troll who created the EX2F vs S100 comparison thread that contained the suspect images (without identifying info or EXIF data) in his OP. If the EX2f is as bad as those images indicate, I won't be buying one and you can sneer all you want at those that do. If it's only slightly better than the EX1/TL500, I'll also give it a pass. But you'll still be here spitting your anger and venom at your imagination's foes, both real and imaginary. But I'd recommend this as an even better link for those with some free time on their hands to check out :

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1001&message=42285877