Santa Barbara (CA) Peace March

Doc, you don't have to be an expert to know right from wrong. Like I said before, there is no room in this world today for the likes of Hussein. This problem will not go away by burying your head in the sand, if so, one day it may be to late and millions may die. Don't think for one minute that Saddam Hussein would not use weapons of mass destruction given the chance, or worse give them to you know who.

Tom
insects. The chemicals have taken their toll.

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Doc, Your ignorance is absolutely mind boggling!! Reply to this so you can demonstrate more assinine stupidity. It is idiots like you that get the masses killed!! We had to save the world sixty years ago and it looks like we will have to save it again now. We are peace loving and tolerant untill some savage wants to kill our families because we don't have the same religion as they do. We strive for peace untill the muderous thugs you embrace make it us or them!
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Saddam is bad, his dictatorship along with many others were supported by the US Government. He gassed the Kurds and the US looked away. kept trading with him and may have even traded more for using their products. He was a good boy for a long time in their eyes. They even encouraged him to go into Kuwait. Read about the massacre on the road to Basra. "It was like shooting fish in a barrel" Quote from a US soldier.

This war will be another massacre. Who do you think will die? The same people they are trying to liberate.

Do you really believe that the US acts in the interest of the oppressed and not of the corporations that fuel its elections and laws?

Look at who funded Bush's election - Enron. Look at who took positions in his government - Enron people is well represented.

What about the veterans of the Gulf War and their Gulf War syndrome?

Most likely the result of US chemical weapons which the US used in Gulf War. The gov't continues to deny it exists.

The US has developed radioactive laced bombs that they will use in Iraq that will contaminate the area in which they are dropped for 4 billion years. What great concern for people and the environment.

They are there to liberate the oil from the people. Saddam has become useles to them. They don't care if he kills his own people.

The war that is coming is about $$$ and oil, not the people whose blood will stain the sand.

Read more than the garbage/news on TV and you will find most people around the world are agianst the war (Did you hear about the international demonstrations?) Not because they hate the US but because they see through the Rumsfeld and Bush lies of why they are waging a war.

It's disgusting to turn on this corporate news and hear them all say war death, destruction (environmental and human) is just and humane for the world.

I've still have humanity left in me and am not blinded by the color-by-numbers world view of this government who would rather put billions of dollars in the military than helping humans out. Just think of the image building the US could do if they put money into solving AIDS worldwide, made healthcare free here, forgave the Third World Debt.

I'm sure you can rationalize why helping people in this way doesn't really help them.
 
the fundamental truth I expoused in my first post. Be sure to hit the recruiter's office tomorrow and sign up. I've been to a political war. It's now your turn.

Marc, If you were in a war sixty years ago, it was clearly justifiable. The news reported today that many of your peers are actively against this one because the reasons are not clear. To date no one has produced evidence of weapons of mass destruction, and the terrorists that blew up the twin towers were not from Iraq. I believe that is why we are in Afganistan.

El Hombre. I appreciate your comments.

Good night all. Pleasant dreams.

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the fundamental truth I expoused in my first post. Be sure to hit
the recruiter's office tomorrow and sign up. I've been to a
political war. It's now your turn.
Let's see Grand Dad killed in action, W.W.I

Dad, Killed in action, Cold War casualty after serving in W.W.II & Korea.

Myself, I proudly served from 71-75 in the US Navy, after many tried to talk me out of going into the military.

My Son-In-Law is a top recruiter as a Master Sargent in the Air Force. My friends are all vets so I have served and those I associated with have done the same. Funny how that is.

I salute those that are willing to stand up to dictators. I have no use for those that won't stand up for the weak and won't help those that need help.

Funny how many with freedom as their watch word don't want to share, with those in need.
 
I'd have cropped that shot to close in on the people. If you close in on the
top left of his sign down to the right of her sleeve and level with their hands,
I think you get a better photo.

Moz
(this is about the photo, not the war, right?)
 
Rune, Imagine for one minute the USA wasn't interested in dictators
exporting WMD. Imagine for one minute the USA not prudently denying
US aren't interested. As I said: Saddam has been around for more than 20 years now. Again: Why the sudden rush?
American president to not be black mailed into appeasment. Are you
out of your mind! France, you mean the France that wouldn't exist
without our liberation. Germany, you mean the how soon we forget
Germany that we put in the meat grinder the last time they crossed
us.
Bad comparison. Iraq poses no such risk. At this point in time (and for quite some time to come) they have no military force to speak of. Invading Iraq today is like shooting fish in a barrel and it'll stay that way for decades. Perhaps that's the reason? Iraq makes an easy target and invading Iraq now (unsupported by UN) will "show the rest of them" and "send a message".
BTW: Donald Rumsfeld visited Saddam in 1983, at which point Iraq
had used chemical weapons against both soldiers from Iran and
Iraq's own population (the Kurds). It didn't seem to bother mr
Rumsfeld then when he had an excellent opportunity to speak
eye-to-eye with Saddam...
You think because Sadam used chemical weapons on the KUrds we
should say well they used them on the Kurds so I guess we should
let them use them on us to be fair! Are you insane!!
What you call insane was official US policy in the 80s. Some of the same statesmen were involved back then. I sincerely doubt their convictions have changed much. Do you?

Statefunded domestic terrorism is a common trait these days and it's not limited to Iraq, not by a long shot!

As for Iraq using these weapons on "us" -- get real. How would they manage to do that? The nations Iraq pose a threat to are nations you guys don't care about (they all pretty much top the "who to invade next" list). Just let the UN inspectors do their job, and give it a rest already.
Not to mention that many of US' current allies are just as 'bad' as
Saddam in some (or all) respects. Yet Bush only focus on an old
Name them and give facts for the ottrocities they commit. Oh golly
Israel is committed to an apartheid regime that makes South Africa of old pale in comparison.

I could mention Turkey, but that would be too easy. (Kurds aren't too welcome there either, but hopefully you already knew that)

The Pakistan government aren't much to cheer about either. Nobody dares mentioning them, because that might set off a nuclear war between Pakistan and India.

How many did I have to mention you said? Should I also mention Libya in the passing? Or should I not bother with old enemies no longer in the current news picture? Saudia Arabia aren't all that keen on democracy either, yet they're good buddies with Bush -- at the moment anyway.

If Bush wants to clean up these messes -- fine. But that means you guys will be committing a lot of troops and resources for a long time to come. Which is fine by me, because that means Bush' intentions are actually 'good', and not merely about him putting up a good show to avoid attention on his domestic policy (how's your economic doing these days btw?). (To Thomas: If it's not about the election, and if it isn't about the oil, then it has to be to avoid the attention -- there simply are no good reasons for what Bush is doing now, might as well face the very real possibility that this is really about something else -- heck, even "60 Minutes" on CBS seem to realise that)
buying your garbage but then somebody wanted you to proof one thing
from your commie spewing agenda!!
So in your mind, anyone criticising Bush is a commie?

Nice.

Bush really have put the fear of God into you people, hasn't he? My admiration for the man keeps growing.

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I'm surprised that nobody commented on my Neville Chamberlain quote.
Because the out-of-control agressor in this case is George Bush. Saddam (and certainly Iraq) poses no immediate threat, and won't do so for several decades. He hasn't got the manpower, doesn't have the know-how and lacks the equipment.

Saddam was a threat in the early 80s -- yes. But back then he was actually supported by both USA and France.

There are more immediate threats to world safety around. :-/

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What these very strong opinions, from opposing viewpoints show, is how wonderful photography is. Because what you see through the viewfinder, and choose to shoot, is strongly influenced by your viewpoint. That's what makes pictures vital, and that's what makes pictures controversial.

And the fact that these very emotionally laden viewpoints can be expressed here, and maybe never reconciled with each other, is a strength of our America. And the fact that our photos express our viewpoints, whether we realize it or not, is testimony to the expressive strength of photography.

To Billtoo:

Thanks for the images. I think that many people's comments about the quality of the pix were based more in their feelings about what you depicted, and not so much in the photographic issues. I do have a couple of suggestions.

It is clear that you had to choose between a) covering as much of the protest as you could, looking for interesting faces, actions and signs, and, b) closing in and composing each shot for artistic impact. Maybe an experienced photojournalist would be faster and find a way to combine both approaches, but you did a good job of conveying what was happening. And the composition was not at all bad, given your choice of "a" as a method.

1) Choosing to put all of those pix in the gallery diminishes the impact that you could have achieved by even picking your favorite 25% of what you included, or perhaps you could have grouped them into seperate galleries by theme.

2) Your camera produces nice, big files. Many of your shots could have been made much, much more powerful by cropping--anywhere from moderate to severe, to really close in on the essential aspect of each image.

3) Find a few images, up to a half-dozen or even more, that when combined, say something more powerful than the individual images, and make a collage , using layering techniques and varying the opacity. One image like that could be more telling than scrolling through all of your images individually.

Just my $.02 on all of this...
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... the U.S. should take over Canada. It's close, has huge oil reserves, and has no defense to speak of. Very convenient! And we can get back at our draft dodgers ... they'll be fighting for the other side!
Ken
I'm surprised that nobody commented on my Neville Chamberlain quote.
Because the out-of-control agressor in this case is George Bush.
Saddam (and certainly Iraq) poses no immediate threat, and won't do
so for several decades. He hasn't got the manpower, doesn't have
the know-how and lacks the equipment.

Saddam was a threat in the early 80s -- yes. But back then he was
actually supported by both USA and France.

There are more immediate threats to world safety around. :-/

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... I can tell.
Ken
Saddam is bad, his dictatorship along with many others were
supported by the US Government. He gassed the Kurds and the US
looked away. kept trading with him and may have even traded more
for using their products. He was a good boy for a long time in
their eyes. They even encouraged him to go into Kuwait. Read about
the massacre on the road to Basra. "It was like shooting fish in a
barrel" Quote from a US soldier.

This war will be another massacre. Who do you think will die? The
same people they are trying to liberate.

Do you really believe that the US acts in the interest of the
oppressed and not of the corporations that fuel its elections and
laws?

Look at who funded Bush's election - Enron. Look at who took
positions in his government - Enron people is well represented.

What about the veterans of the Gulf War and their Gulf War syndrome?
Most likely the result of US chemical weapons which the US used in
Gulf War. The gov't continues to deny it exists.

The US has developed radioactive laced bombs that they will use in
Iraq that will contaminate the area in which they are dropped for 4
billion years. What great concern for people and the environment.

They are there to liberate the oil from the people. Saddam has
become useles to them. They don't care if he kills his own people.

The war that is coming is about $$$ and oil, not the people whose
blood will stain the sand.

Read more than the garbage/news on TV and you will find most people
around the world are agianst the war (Did you hear about the
international demonstrations?) Not because they hate the US but
because they see through the Rumsfeld and Bush lies of why they are
waging a war.

It's disgusting to turn on this corporate news and hear them all
say war death, destruction (environmental and human) is just and
humane for the world.

I've still have humanity left in me and am not blinded by the
color-by-numbers world view of this government who would rather put
billions of dollars in the military than helping humans out. Just
think of the image building the US could do if they put money into
solving AIDS worldwide, made healthcare free here, forgave the
Third World Debt.

I'm sure you can rationalize why helping people in this way doesn't
really help them.
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I too have always felt that there was far more to this than nukes or other weapons of mass destruction. Politicians alway cover their actual goal with one that the general public can connect with and understand easily; but it's always just a cloak to coverup the actual plan.

The general population all too often want only an easy description for a complex problem. After working for NSA for a number of years I've realized that things are far more complex than actually presented to the public.
Rune, Imagine for one minute the USA wasn't interested in dictators
exporting WMD. Imagine for one minute the USA not prudently denying
US aren't interested. As I said: Saddam has been around for more
than 20 years now. Again: Why the sudden rush?
American president to not be black mailed into appeasment. Are you
out of your mind! France, you mean the France that wouldn't exist
without our liberation. Germany, you mean the how soon we forget
Germany that we put in the meat grinder the last time they crossed
us.
Bad comparison. Iraq poses no such risk. At this point in time (and
for quite some time to come) they have no military force to speak
of. Invading Iraq today is like shooting fish in a barrel and it'll
stay that way for decades. Perhaps that's the reason? Iraq makes an
easy target and invading Iraq now (unsupported by UN) will "show
the rest of them" and "send a message".
BTW: Donald Rumsfeld visited Saddam in 1983, at which point Iraq
had used chemical weapons against both soldiers from Iran and
Iraq's own population (the Kurds). It didn't seem to bother mr
Rumsfeld then when he had an excellent opportunity to speak
eye-to-eye with Saddam...
You think because Sadam used chemical weapons on the KUrds we
should say well they used them on the Kurds so I guess we should
let them use them on us to be fair! Are you insane!!
What you call insane was official US policy in the 80s. Some of the
same statesmen were involved back then. I sincerely doubt their
convictions have changed much. Do you?

Statefunded domestic terrorism is a common trait these days and
it's not limited to Iraq, not by a long shot!

As for Iraq using these weapons on "us" -- get real. How would they
manage to do that? The nations Iraq pose a threat to are nations
you guys don't care about (they all pretty much top the "who to
invade next" list). Just let the UN inspectors do their job, and
give it a rest already.
Not to mention that many of US' current allies are just as 'bad' as
Saddam in some (or all) respects. Yet Bush only focus on an old
Name them and give facts for the ottrocities they commit. Oh golly
Israel is committed to an apartheid regime that makes South Africa
of old pale in comparison.

I could mention Turkey, but that would be too easy. (Kurds aren't
too welcome there either, but hopefully you already knew that)

The Pakistan government aren't much to cheer about either. Nobody
dares mentioning them, because that might set off a nuclear war
between Pakistan and India.

How many did I have to mention you said? Should I also mention
Libya in the passing? Or should I not bother with old enemies no
longer in the current news picture? Saudia Arabia aren't all that
keen on democracy either, yet they're good buddies with Bush -- at
the moment anyway.

If Bush wants to clean up these messes -- fine. But that means you
guys will be committing a lot of troops and resources for a long
time to come. Which is fine by me, because that means Bush'
intentions are actually 'good', and not merely about him putting up
a good show to avoid attention on his domestic policy (how's your
economic doing these days btw?). (To Thomas: If it's not about the
election, and if it isn't about the oil, then it has to be to avoid
the attention -- there simply are no good reasons for what Bush is
doing now, might as well face the very real possibility that this
is really about something else -- heck, even "60 Minutes" on CBS
seem to realise that)
I think in part you hit the nail on the head...

I too have always felt that there was far more to this than nukes or other weapons of mass destruction. Politicians alway cover their actual goal with one that the general public can connect with and understand easily; but it's always just a cloak to coverup the actual plan.

The general population all too often want only an easy description for a complex problem. After working for NSA a number of years I've realized that things are far more complex than actually presented to the public.
buying your garbage but then somebody wanted you to proof one thing
from your commie spewing agenda!!
So in your mind, anyone criticising Bush is a commie?

Nice.

Bush really have put the fear of God into you people, hasn't he? My
admiration for the man keeps growing.

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This polictical moment brought to you by a person that is tired of
"Giving Peace a Chance". We've given peace a chance and it hasn't
worked.

Get a clue.
Yep, like here:



Those people were liberated on march 16, 1968 by Charlie Company, 11th Brigade, Americal Division

War is never an answer!

Volker
 
... I have photos (taken by my father, a WWII official Army photographer)from a German death camp ... of people so starved as to appear alien. What were we thinking when we liberated them? In a couple more weeks they could have been dead, making it easier all around, huh?

BTW, when the operators of the camp saw that they were going to be invaded, they set fire to tiny barracks housing prisoners. Yes, I have photos.
The Germans are good people, are they not? How could this have happened?

Atrocities DO happen, sometimes committed by U.S. forces, and those responsible should be dealt with. But they are rare. The consistent violation of human rights, even when done by leaders formerly supported (or even put into power) by the U.S., must be stopped.
Shall we do this by treaty?
Ken
This polictical moment brought to you by a person that is tired of
"Giving Peace a Chance". We've given peace a chance and it hasn't
worked.

Get a clue.
Yep, like here:



Those people were liberated on march 16, 1968 by Charlie Company,
11th Brigade, Americal Division

War is never an answer!

Volker
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Who do you think funded these dictatorships?
Pinochet, Saddam, Idi Amin, Batista, Somoza...

Guess who financially supported the Taliban? Osama & Al Queda? Once they no longer served they're usefullness, they became enemies.

Did you know about the US governments meetings with Taliban Feb. 2001?

They wanted to build an pipeline. Taliban (who are undeniably vicious) said no. US (pre-Sept 11) said we'll get it even if we have to bomb you.

There is one thing that drives foreign policy - $$$$. Not for you and I, but for the corporations that have convinced many here through their media that our blood is expendable for peace(read oil).

If you read this, I'm sure you will disregard what I say as nonsense and probably lunatic, but just do a quick search on any of the dictators above and you'll find out who supported them financially and militarily.

Which dictator do they have to replace Saddam?
the fundamental truth I expoused in my first post. Be sure to hit
the recruiter's office tomorrow and sign up. I've been to a
political war. It's now your turn.
Let's see Grand Dad killed in action, W.W.I

Dad, Killed in action, Cold War casualty after serving in W.W.II &
Korea.

Myself, I proudly served from 71-75 in the US Navy, after many
tried to talk me out of going into the military.

My Son-In-Law is a top recruiter as a Master Sargent in the Air
Force. My friends are all vets so I have served and those I
associated with have done the same. Funny how that is.

I salute those that are willing to stand up to dictators. I have no
use for those that won't stand up for the weak and won't help those
that need help.

Funny how many with freedom as their watch word don't want to
share, with those in need.
 
US aren't interested. As I said: Saddam has been around for more
than 20 years now. Again: Why the sudden rush?
Exactly how long ago was 9/11. OOOPs forgot that little incident didn't you. Oh in your mind we should just wait and see, maybe they will be nice to us now!! And you probably said the same thing after Saddam invaded Kuwait. What's the rush, lets wait and see maybe they'll be nice to the Kuwaitis. Lets wait and see, what's the rush. Maybe they won't invade Saudi arabia and control the worlds oil market. I think I see a smile. Your saying to yourself ahaa it is about the oil. Sorry , you actually have to think things out. The world cannot allow Dictators to take over countries to get thier natural resources. Well that would mean that Saddam invaded Kuwait to get thier oil. You never thought of that did you. The world needs energy to run, let me repeat that the WORLD needs energy to run. But you haven't given it that much thought have you. Gee what would happen if suddenly a DICTATOR controlled the energy that the WORLD needs. In depth thought, foreign isn't it.
American president to not be black mailed into appeasment. Are you
out of your mind! France, you mean the France that wouldn't exist
without our liberation. Germany, you mean the how soon we forget
Germany that we put in the meat grinder the last time they crossed
us.
Bad comparison. Iraq poses no such risk.
Here is something else you never thought of. What if a state gave WMD to a terrorist organization so they could blow up of chemically destroy a common enemy. Oh my this must be a revelation. IT never crossed your mind. Are you starting to get it. Here's a hint. You actually have to think about these things and come up with something that makes sense. Where I am from round pegs go in round holes and square pegs go in square holes. Unlike whee you are from where round pegs go in square holes and square pegs go in round holes because that is what your socialist govt. controlled media told you.
You think because Sadam used chemical weapons on the KUrds we
should say well they used them on the Kurds so I guess we should
let them use them on us to be fair! Are you insane!!
What you call insane was official US policy in the 80s. Some of the
same statesmen were involved back then. I sincerely doubt their
convictions have changed much. Do you?
Official US policy was to let people gas us because they gassed the Kurds.

Do you even have any idea what you are saying. Thier convictions were to be sure that someday we get gassed. I can hear in now from Washington D. C. Well sir if Saddam gasses the Kurds someday we are going to have to let them gas us to be fair. Quite rediculous when what you are saying is actually turned from rhetoric to common sense.
Statefunded domestic terrorism is a common trait these days and
it's not limited to Iraq, not by a long shot!
It won't be for long. Those states if they pose a threat will be gone. We aren't limited to Iraq by a long shot either. While these savages that you embrace were spewing thier venom and not hurting anyone it was just that freedom of speech. Yaa freedom of speech. That is what you have the luxury of exercizing because of the policies I am advocating. Your policies would create a world where they would chop of your hands if they found out you had a computer and kill you if they found out you had used the internet.

The nations Iraq pose a threat to are nations
you guys don't care about (they all pretty much top the "who to
invade next" list). >
Is that Saddams who to invade next list or the US next to invade list. If Saddam were left to himself all his neighbors are on the who to invade next list. The US next to invade list is anyone who is supporting terrorist that want to blow upo our babies and end civilization as we know it. But in you brainwashed world we sit around saying I'm bored lets go invade someone. Your way of thinking is absurd when someone cuts through the rhetoric and spells it out isn't it. You weren't counting on that were you.
Bush really have put the fear of God into you people, hasn't he? My
admiration for the man keeps growing.
The fear of God was already in me and if you knew anything about God you should know he is to be feared. Your admiration should be growing. He is standing up for freedom and human rights. I can't wait for what for you reply for that one. It will be another oppurtunity to expose how
shallow and dangerous socialist thinking is.
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... the U.S. should take over Canada. It's close, has huge oil
reserves, and has no defense to speak of. Very convenient! And we
can get back at our draft dodgers ... they'll be fighting for the
other side!
Ken
Speaking of which, when's the war with Mexico start? It seems we've been buying far too much oil from them and if we can kick Iraq's fanny for oil, wouldn't it be a tad be easier to send those San Diego based aircraft carriers and marines to Tiajuana. I mean, come on, it's our own backyard.

Why we're at it, Venezula been selling us oil also.

I mean, sheesh, they're undeveloped and they don't need the oil anyways, why shouldn't we be able to just take it?

Ken. These people have no idea how rediculous they sound. They refuse to condemn Saddam as they put the USofA down.

I watch the interviews of european citizens that say they don't want war. Their reason, they've experienced war and they don't want anymore war. What they don't say is we caused war to be rained down upon us and we feel guilty for that fact. They also, in the interviews, don't deal with the torturous behavior of Hussein and how he invaded Kuwait and has violated all of the UN agreements and resolutions. They don't say how he's spending oil for food monies on weapon research as he tries to blame the embargo as the reason he's starving his people.

CNN won't give you this side of the story.

You'll notice that in all my postings on this matter, not one left wing socialist has condemned North Korea, Pakistan, India, Cuba, Idi Amin (he represents all dictators in Africa as he resides in Saudi Arabia), The Killing Fields, the hateful Vietnamese government and the reeducation camps, Russian behavior in Chechna, Muslims in the Middle East teaching hate of people around the world of Jewish faith to their children, the anti-women attitude of the royal family in power in Saudi Arabia, nor do they protest the torturous behavior of Saddam.

Why's that?

Funny, they care so much about what the US does and so little about the truth of what goes on in the rest of the world.

This silence exposes their disengenous intellectual nature.
 
Thomas Gardner wrote:



Those people were liberated on march 16, 1968 by Charlie Company,
11th Brigade, Americal Division

War is never an answer!
Sorry, was is an answer.

I notice that you've left the rest of the story off your expose.

The action was condemnded by all. The people were proscuted and punished.

Where's your pictures of the torture that went on in Vietnam after the fall of Sigon. Where's your pictures of the beheddings in Iraq. Where's your stories of the garbage cans filled with hands and feet cut off publically in Afganistan. Where's your pictures of Hitler's death camps. Where's your pictures of the killing fields. Where's your pictures of the mass graves in Bosnia. Where's your pictures of the War Lords of Samalia. Where your pictures of the slaughters that have taken place in Africa, Tutsi and Hitsus.

You bring up one BAD momement in American history. We're not perfect. But we're doing more as one nation to bring about World Peace then the whole world combined. So stuff your obtuse, out of context picture of Mylai; no disrespect towards the victims of the Mylai Massacre or the grief carried by their family members.

Where's your condemnation of Dictators and their hateful behavior? Where's your condemnation of North Korea and the deaths of over two million citizens. I read no outrage, I only see your hate of the US and your silence of the true evils that abound about the world today.

Why are you so accepting of the evils that abound when there's something that can be done.

History has proven, war is an answer and history has proven war is a solution.

Death to all dictators!!!!!
 
Bill,

You really should edit down those photos... if there are any good ones in there (I didn't see any), they got lost in the sea of mediocre ones. Everybody shoots 200 shots in a day... edit them and find the 1 or 2 really nice ones (if you're lucky).
Matthew
I shot the peace march in Santa Barbara if anyone is interested.
http://www.pbase.com/billtoo/sbpeacerally



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