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Ken Rockwell Endorses D700 over D800/E

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Raul said:
primeshooter said:
What lol? Sucks if your an idiot viewing at 100% on a monitor. However these people are looking at a print that would be several meters across. How about compare it to the D3s and D4 at the same size, could be fairer. The D800 has great "noise performance".
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Are we speaking of sizes of prints or noise? My Leif blows the 800 in print but that does not mean that the Leif is better with respect to noise at high iso (and other issues), when the 800 works, that is.

You are a sad person.

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"There is not a thin line between love and hate. There is - in fact - a Great Wall of China with armed sentries posted every 20 feet between love and hate." (House)
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I do not think you are grasping this. It's directly related to print and viewing size distance! You are zooming to 100% on a 90DPI monitor aren't you...What a surprise it looks noisy when the magnification compared to a 16mp d4 or 12mp d3s is HUGE.
 
primeshooter said:
You are zooming to 100% on a 90DPI monitor aren't you...
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"There is not a thin line between love and hate. There is - in fact - a Great Wall of China with armed sentries posted every 20 feet between love and hate." (House)
 
Ed_C said:
I'm having a hard time understanding how it is less sad, less rude or more credible to say "when it works" over and over and over again.
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The truth is never sad; there is no remedy for it.

Rude to Nikon? who has laughed at our faces, and will keep doing so, on these cameras?

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"There is not a thin line between love and hate. There is - in fact - a Great Wall of China with armed sentries posted every 20 feet between love and hate." (House)
 
Raul said:
Ed_C said:
I'm having a hard time understanding how it is less sad, less rude or more credible to say "when it works" over and over and over again.
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The truth is never sad; there is no remedy for it.

Rude to Nikon? who has laughed at our faces, and will keep doing so, on these cameras?
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If you actually believe Nikon has laughed in your face then you are truly delusional AND sad to go along with your penchant for being repetitive. Good luck with that.

If I DID have problems with my equipment I certainly wouldn't be spending my time whining over and over on this site and attacking people who haven't had the problems as it serves no purpose.

It's pretty obvious you are never going to understand that so sorry to have bothered you.
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Ed C.
 
I'm not sure why people get so rude when discussing a small box made of plastic and metal...perhaps this is why the world is in the state that it is in....we tend to put material things above respect for our fellow man...

But regards to my post, I have shot the D700 for over 3 years, and have had the D800 for about two months, and I still find that the D700 is more manageable as far as post processing RAW images at 3200 or 6400. I have even compared the two cameras after downsizing the D800s to 12MP, but still found more contrast and less shadow noise from the D700....

But I am quite used to the characteristics of the D700 as far as getting the most from RAW PP, and am still getting used to the D800, so perhaps my opinion on noise may change.
John Motts said:
Theodoros Fotometria said:
John Motts said:
Joe Porto said:
Except FPS (8FPS w/ grip for D700), and noise.
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FPS maybe, but certainly not noise.
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--Dear John.. at 6400iso, not even D3S or D4 can compete with D800 for noise... let D700 aside please... talk on what you know, not on what you are told!
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That's exactly what I was saying. Try reading my post and the one I was quoting before making twatty comments.
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Joe Porto said:
I'm not sure why people get so rude when discussing a small box made of plastic and metal...perhaps this is why the world is in the state that it is in....we tend to put material things above respect for our fellow man...

But regards to my post, I have shot the D700 for over 3 years, and have had the D800 for about two months, and I still find that the D700 is more manageable as far as post processing RAW images at 3200 or 6400. I have even compared the two cameras after downsizing the D800s to 12MP, but still found more contrast and less shadow noise from the D700....

But I am quite used to the characteristics of the D700 as far as getting the most from RAW PP, and am still getting used to the D800, so perhaps my opinion on noise may change.
John Motts said:
Theodoros Fotometria said:
John Motts said:
Joe Porto said:
Except FPS (8FPS w/ grip for D700), and noise.
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FPS maybe, but certainly not noise.
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--Dear John.. at 6400iso, not even D3S or D4 can compete with D800 for noise... let D700 aside please... talk on what you know, not on what you are told!
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That's exactly what I was saying. Try reading my post and the one I was quoting before making twatty comments.
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--Almost 2 stops of DR, more than a stop on noise, far better detail, color sensitivity, af system and color balance for the D800 against the D700, is what the owners of both cameras claim (me among them), so I guess there is something wrong with your D800... or my D700... but I doubt there is....
Theodoros
http://www.fotometria.gr
 
He could by some be described as a cr'azy guy....
 
Each camera has its strong points as I stated before. Yes, the d800 is excellant for some types and styles of photography, but the d700 has a lot of benefits over other cameras for some types and styles of photography. Sort of like comparing the d800 to the d4, apples and oranges. It just depends on how you are going to use the camera. I don't believe that the d800 is the answer to all photography, because it isn't. Its only a tool.

Larry
 
Gosman, LOL! Yes, I do remember. You most certainly did call it accurately. But really, isn't it just plain smart to wait a bit for the new technology to be tested before buying? I would much rather wait 6 months, make certain the new product is in good working order, and then buy. Prudent.
 
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larrywilson said:
Each camera has its strong points as I stated before. Yes, the d800 is excellant for some types and styles of photography, but the d700 has a lot of benefits over other cameras for some types and styles of photography. Sort of like comparing the d800 to the d4, apples and oranges. It just depends on how you are going to use the camera. I don't believe that the d800 is the answer to all photography, because it isn't. Its only a tool.

Larry
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Ed_C said:
If you actually believe Nikon has laughed in your face then you are truly delusional AND sad to go along with your penchant for being repetitive. Good luck with that.
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Not my face, the faces of too many people, consumers that should be respected. And I have the right to repeat that as long as I want, Nikon is a crook.
Ed_C said:
If I DID have problems with my equipment I certainly wouldn't be spending my time whining over and over on this site and attacking people who haven't had the problems as it serves no purpose.
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My cameras work fine. I have not attacked any one.
Ed_C said:
It's pretty obvious you are never going to understand that so sorry to have bothered you.
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No bother at all.

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"There is not a thin line between love and hate. There is - in fact - a Great Wall of China with armed sentries posted every 20 feet between love and hate." (House)
 
:) :) :) I'm keeping my D700 as my backup to the D3s. I'm not going to spend $3000 on an inferior camera. In a few months I may pick up a used D800 for around $2000
 
Right. In a few months you'd be willing to spend $2k on a used "inferior" camera when you could buy another D700 for half that. Doesn't pass the make sense test, does it?
wasserball said:
:) :) :) I'm keeping my D700 as my backup to the D3s. I'm not going to spend $3000 on an inferior camera. In a few months I may pick up a used D800 for around $2000
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Fiat Lux
 
Ken's sanity is growing in inverse proportion to the size of his family.

When was the last time he shot anything other than family snapshots anyway? Reichmann shoots outstanding landscapes and he loves the D800 to no ends. If it works for him, it works for me too.

I'm sorry, I don't know any working professional who makes split second changes to the camera and moving from landscaping to strobe-lit portraiture several times in a minute. He can keep all the instant recall presets he wants, I'm happy with the incredible latitude that my D800 offers.

 
Scott Oberle said:
Please re-read my comment. You won't find the word "fool" anywhere. FYI, I don't care what Thom Hogan recommends either...I'll make up my own mind.
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Scott Oberle
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You're taking my comment a little too personally Scott. "You" is more generic. Anyway, you sound a bit hostile, not sure why.
 
arizonadesertrat said:
Right. In a few months you'd be willing to spend $2k on a used "inferior" camera when you could buy another D700 for half that. Doesn't pass the make sense test, does it?
wasserball said:
:) :) :) I'm keeping my D700 as my backup to the D3s. I'm not going to spend $3000 on an inferior camera. In a few months I may pick up a used D800 for around $2000
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Fiat Lux
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--LOL! ...That was a good one... just like an NBA "block"...
Theodoros
http://www.fotometria.gr
 
I never tricked my grip out with the D3 battery to get max frame rate because, with the grip, it's bulkier than the D3 and still not as fast. If I wanted/needed speed, I'd just have kept my D3. So, for me, the difference between the D700's 5fps and the D800's 4fps is trivial.

Noise? The D800 is better, especially at higher ISO values.
Joe Porto said:
Kabe Luna said:
I have used each for casual and professional applications, and as much as I loved the D700, the D800 is simply so much better in every single way there was no point in living with the limited resolving power of the D700.

Lack of first-hand experience with these cameras is the only way I can imagine anyone taking KR seriously about D700 vs. D800.

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Kabe Luna

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Except FPS (8FPS w/ grip for D700), and noise. Also, there are times when I simply don't need more than 12MP, specifically for sports photography. I also tend to take a lot of photos when shooting sports, and the 12MP RAW size is way more manageable than the 36MP D800 as far as downloading and processing time.

Still, the D800 is an amazing machine, but I certainly am not giving up my D700 for certain situations.
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Kabe Luna

http://www.garlandcary.com
 
Agree x2.
 
Well, not to put too fine a point on it but when someone calls the best FX DSLR ever made an "inferior" camera, you know you're not dealing with a rational person. The obvious contradiction just sort of underscores it.

BTW, I just watched a comparison of D800 files with files produced with a $45,000 Hassy setup and the Hassy barely squeaked by in DR and had virtually no advantage at higher ISO. Not too shabby for less that 10% of the cost.

Inferior indeed.
Theodoros Fotometria said:
arizonadesertrat said:
Right. In a few months you'd be willing to spend $2k on a used "inferior" camera when you could buy another D700 for half that. Doesn't pass the make sense test, does it?
wasserball said:
:) :) :) I'm keeping my D700 as my backup to the D3s. I'm not going to spend $3000 on an inferior camera. In a few months I may pick up a used D800 for around $2000
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Fiat Lux
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--LOL! ...That was a good one... just like an NBA "block"...
Theodoros
http://www.fotometria.gr
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Fiat Lux
 
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