1Dx V D4 - a good read

Ogjetaknight · Jul 30, 2012

SubPrime said:
Ogjetaknight said:

Cool no doubt the d4 is a very good camera, but it seems to have some bugs to work out according to Andy Rouse.

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It would seem so. It's clear enough that Nikon didn't get everything right with the D4 - and the sad thing is that they're playing the same stupid game that Canon did with the iDIII, y denying those problems exist.

I agree, I hope for the sake of Nikon users that they learn from Canons past mistakes and admit to the problems and do everything they can to make it right as quickly as possiable. Canon really lost a lot of credibility for being so arrogant in the past, Nikon dosent need to make the same mistakes and suffer the same consequences.

Ogjetaknight · Jul 30, 2012

SubPrime said:
Ogjetaknight said:

SubPrime said:

Ogjetaknight said:

True but he's done it before he used to be a Canon guy, I suspect Canon may be trying to tempt him to switch back.

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That was a long time ago and the reason for the switch was the disasterous 1DIII. The D4 is nothing like the 1DIII fiasco.

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I don't know he does praise the d4 for some things but he also complains about the problems. He says he dosent want to have to worry about the camera he just wants to take pictures.

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That goes for everyone.

The issues with the D4 started appearing after some time after it was released. Maybe the delays with the 1DX were due to lessons learned from the 1DIII disaster.

It does seem like Canon has learned something, they do seem to be very open and responsive to problems lately. I hope it continues and Nikon does the same.

VivaLasVegas · Jul 30, 2012

Ogjetaknight said:
SubPrime said:

Ogjetaknight said:

He does in other posts, he's been quite critical of the d4. And at the end of the 1dx review he says that this presents him with a problem. Why would it be a problem if he likes the d4 so much? You should read some of the other posts on his blog.

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I have - plenty of praise heaped on the D4.

"There is no doubt in my mind that the D4 AF system lives up to all the hype. It performed amazingly well in low light and sudden situations, able to lock on with distracting backgrounds"

and...

"For me the AF system was the key to the D4 and I am chuffed that it is working like this. So much so that I have ordered a second D4 so that I can have the same system that I use with the D3s. "

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Cool no doubt the d4 is a very good camera, but it seems to have some bugs to work out according to Andy Rouse.

Andy Rouse closing statement:

"I’m now back to my misfiring D4 and leaving for a two day shoot with it and the ever faithful D800. It’s been a very interesting exercise testing the 1DX and I look forward to seeing what it can do with a longer lens. From an independent point of view it’s a great camera.....it just creates one helluva problem for me........"

sounds like D4 is shooting blanks.......meaning out of focus I bet and that's coming from a Nikon shooter.

VivaLasVegas · Jul 30, 2012

SubPrime said:
Ogjetaknight said:

True but he's done it before he used to be a Canon guy, I suspect Canon may be trying to tempt him to switch back.

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That was a long time ago and the reason for the switch was the disasterous 1DIII. The D4 is nothing like the 1DIII fiasco.

Not D4....D800 body is worst AF fiasco in history add to that multiple problems built into the body like lv, lcd, cls, mirror slap, green cast, noise, solid tripod, ects.......

VivaLasVegas · Jul 30, 2012

Shaun_Nyc said:
VivaLasVegas said:

Shaun_Nyc wrote:

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Dude you wouldn’t even hold a camera with two hands in 5ft sea's far less nail 140mph boats. Don't tell us what AF is no good and what pro photographers are running away the D3/D4 camera in droves for the 1Dx, you sound ridiculous. Keep in mind this D3 was nailing everything that moved when the MKIII couldnt grab a duck.

5ft seas(boat load of bs)........so the boat your at is experiencing 5ft seas and the speed boat your shooting is less than a foot(your pics). First of all, speed boat will never speed in 5ft seas NEVER. Dude, you don't need D3 or D4 to shoot a fast moving boat perpendicular to the image plane. All you need is the right timing, my 8 yrs old nephew shot an f22 raptor going 400 plus mph with a G10 PS camera tack sharp.

Shaun_Nyc said:
HAHA ! I remember this bs review when I had that mkIII LEMON that canon screwd everybody with. 69% in focus lol yea if the subject had no competing backround to mis focus on..

A lemon 1D3 is beating your D3, 69% vs 52%. So all reviews going against Nikon is BS, I guees most magazines and photo websites are BS....ha ha ha

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Apewithacamera · Jul 31, 2012

If your new to photography beware of the Veteran Nikon Trolls. They'll have you believe that shadows have no place in photography. The VNT will have you believe the AF system of Nikon is infallible.

http://www.prophotohome.com/news/2010/03/autofocus-torture-test-updated-canon-1d-mkiv-nikon-d3s-added/

Here is the big one The VNT will have you believe that they have the Holy Trinity of lenses. Lenses that are superior to everything else out there.

14-24mm f2.8 AF-S
24-70mm f2.8 AF-S
70-200mm f2.8 VR II

The EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS II easily toppled the severe focus breathing 70-200 VR II.

Come September with the release of the EF 24-70 f2.8L II Canon will topple the Nikon 24-70 AF-S. Then in September Nikon will only have 1 lens left of that not so Holy trinity, that being the 14-24mm AF-S. Will the 14-24 AF-S be toppled? I believe so.

Beware of the VNT they will steer you in the wrong direction.

SubPrime · Jul 31, 2012

VivaLasVegas said:
SubPrime said:

Ogjetaknight said:

True but he's done it before he used to be a Canon guy, I suspect Canon may be trying to tempt him to switch back.

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That was a long time ago and the reason for the switch was the disasterous 1DIII. The D4 is nothing like the 1DIII fiasco.

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Not D4....D800 body is worst AF fiasco in history add to that multiple problems built into the body like lv, lcd, cls, mirror slap, green cast, noise, solid tripod, ects.......

Which explains why it has outsold the 5D3.

Noise is equal to 5D3 at high ISO - superior at low ISO.
AF is superb
No green cast to speak of
Hand hold able
No need for tripod
CLS remains excellent
Mirror slap issue a myth

Apewithacamera · Jul 31, 2012

where a photographer experienced the main control knob falling off his D800 and he's got pictures of it. I don't make this stuff up.

schmegg · Jul 31, 2012

SubPrime said:
AF is superb

LOL! That shows you how much time you apportion to posting here as compared to the time you spend in the Nikon forums!

Fact is, there have been plenty of D800 users experiencing AF issues. This is undeniable.

Apewithacamera · Jul 31, 2012

They could use his help solving the many issues plaguing Nikon cameras these days.

Apewithacamera · Jul 31, 2012

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meland · Jul 31, 2012

Mine is better than yours.
No it's not.
Yes it is.
No it's not.
Yes it is and you're stupid.
No it's not and you're even more stupid.

Come on guys - try and get a life, please!

SubPrime · Jul 31, 2012

schmegg said:
LOL! That shows you how much time you apportion to posting here as compared to the time you spend in the Nikon forums!

What is that supposed to mean?

schmegg said:
Fact is, there have been plenty of D800 users experiencing AF issues. This is undeniable.

True, but I am not one of them. Looking forward to picking up a 5D3 so I can compare them side by side.

You know it's amusing to hear everyone referrign to Andy Rouse's comments about the D4, while ignoring his praise of the D800, which he describes as every reliable.

SubPrime · Jul 31, 2012

Apewithacamera said:
They could use his help solving the many issues plaguing Nikon cameras these days.

What do you mean by a while? In any case, I don't think they need my help ;-)

schmegg · Jul 31, 2012

SubPrime said:
True, but I am not one of them.

Good to hear. It's certainly not an inherent problem with every D800 - and those that are affected, in many cases, seem to have been able to get things fixed up by Nikon (eventually).

But still, "superb" is not a word I would associate with that particular state of affairs. ;-)

SubPrime said:
Looking forward to picking up a 5D3 so I can compare them side by side.

Oh no! Does that mean more 100% crops and shadows pushed 7 stops are coming our way here? Please no!

SubPrime said:
You know it's amusing to hear everyone referrign to Andy Rouse's comments about the D4, while ignoring his praise of the D800, which he describes as every reliable.

It hadn't escaped my attention. But he is, after all, a Nikon shooter. ;-) And a lot of what impressed him about the 1Dx is also available on the 5D3.

jjnik · Jul 31, 2012

XeroJay said:
The green cast on the LCD has NOT been fixed via firmware. Believe me, everybody and their uncle has contacted us, referring to the latest firmware for the D4. The problem is that is only refers to a correction in the aRGB gamut of the LCD, and does not fix the green colour.

Ogjetaknight said:

XeroJay said:

Matt actually still has both systems. He's still bothered mainly by the colour from the Nikon, and impressed mainly with the sharpness from the Canon. He's been referring to the 1DX shutter as a "Hair Trigger", sometimes ready before he is.

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david01234 said:

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.

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No, he'd already bought the Canon. The head to head tests was a piece of theater.

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So you would know if the color on the screen has been fixed with firmware, as has been claimed. Has it?

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Again, you must have a bad unit and should have exchanged it. I have a D4 and. D800E and there is absaolutely NO green cast on the LCD or the images taken by either camera.

schmegg · Jul 31, 2012

jjnik said:
Again, you must have a bad unit and should have exchanged it. I have a D4 and. D800E and there is absaolutely NO green cast on the LCD or the images taken by either camera.

Perhaps.

But who am I going to believe here? A well know working professional photographer with decades of experience or an anonymous Nikon shooter hanging around in the Canon forums attempting to defend a brand?

The situation here is, quite frankly, illuminating - particularly as the pro's opinion has been reported independently elsewhere too. ;-)

Perhaps the rose coloured glasses help balance the yellow-green a bit? :-D

SubPrime · Jul 31, 2012

schmegg said:
But who am I going to believe here? A well know working professional photographer with decades of experience or an anonymous Nikon shooter hanging around in the Canon forums attempting to defend a brand?

How about a guy who has both and took shots of wach screen, using the other camera, so prove it?

"I updated to firmware 1.02 2 days ago and the green screen issue is gone."
http://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=42120241

schmegg said:
Perhaps the rose coloured glasses help balance the yellow-green a bit? :-D

Perhaps your need to believe the situation is universal and cannot be fixed is leading you to ignore the evidence to the contrary? ;-)

jjnik · Jul 31, 2012

schmegg said:
jjnik said:

Again, you must have a bad unit and should have exchanged it. I have a D4 and. D800E and there is absaolutely NO green cast on the LCD or the images taken by either camera.

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Perhaps.

But who am I going to believe here? A well know working professional photographer with decades of experience or an anonymous Nikon shooter hanging around in the Canon forums attempting to defend a brand?

The situation here is, quite frankly, illuminating - particularly as the pro's opinion has been reported independently elsewhere too. ;-)

Perhaps the rose coloured glasses help balance the yellow-green a bit? :-D

Dude - not here to defend a brand: just trying to make sure that a little balance is captured. Nikon obviously has a few issues they need to address - I have never denied that. But believe what you want when it comes to my cameras - when compared to my D700 and D3, there is no green tint on anything. And here's a concept - I actually have the cameras I'm commenting on unlike most here - I suspect most of the Canon guys here don't own the 1DX or even plan on it.

Do you own a 1DX? Do you plan on buying one? If so , there is a big issue with the card door not closing. I know this is a big problem because I read about it form a few people on the internet

steras · Jul 31, 2012

VivaLasVegas said:
SubPrime said:

Ogjetaknight said:

True but he's done it before he used to be a Canon guy, I suspect Canon may be trying to tempt him to switch back.

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That was a long time ago and the reason for the switch was the disasterous 1DIII. The D4 is nothing like the 1DIII fiasco.

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Not D4....D800 body is worst AF fiasco in history add to that multiple problems built into the body like lv, lcd, cls, mirror slap, green cast, noise, solid tripod, ects.......

Viva, Viva, Viva...have you ever told us what your personal DSLR experiences are?
I mean, since you are such an authority...

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