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Since SAR came up with the rumor that a 16-50 OSS is imminent, I can´t wait for it.

I really think this one´s needed, I would be content if it were around 400$ EUR and if it performed similar to the normal 18-55 kit lens. The suspense is killing me ;)
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400$ is a bit too optimistic though I'm afraid. I wouldn't be surprised if it were around 800$ being a G model and such.
 
I thought the G zoom will be a lot bigger according to the roadmap image.

The pancake would be the silver wide zoom on the left, the black G zoom sitting on the right. Could be wrong, though. 400 $ would be an ok price for a slow lens around 3.5-5.6. Stabilisation is inevitable, too.

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Well, I hope your are right and I am wrong about the price. For 400$ I wouldn't think twice before getting it.
 
So is this "snap" pancake on the roadmap a wideangle lens designed to replace the SEL16F28?
 
I don´t think they will replace the 16 2.8 as it is the cheapest and smallest lens for the system as of yet and will probably remain so for a while. I expect the pancake zoom to be bigger (the OSS will have to fit in somewhere).
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It really would make sense to have a smaller "kit zoom" as that should make the NEX system more successful. After all we want a more compact alternative to the kit zoom, don´t we? Have you seen the second black lens on the roadmap image, it looks almost as big as the 55-200 ...

But 400 $ vs. 250 $ for the 18-55 kit really would be the most I´d pay (not expecting it to be a stellar performer), whereas I expect the G zoom to be either as expensive or even more expensive than the Zeiss prime.
S3ZAi said:
Well, I hope your are right and I am wrong about the price. For 400$ I wouldn't think twice before getting it.
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I actually doubt the rumor's accuracy. Look at Sony's current 16-50 2.8, its a pretty big lens, it's no pancake. I would be surprised if the new zoom could be made into a pancake and keep the constant 2.8 aperture.

The current 16, while not great optically, also has the advantage of accepting the 2 adapters.
 
The rumor states: f3.5-5.6
The constant aperture zoom will probably be as big as the 55-200 OSS(!)
Count me out ;)
dellaaa said:
I actually doubt the rumor's accuracy. Look at Sony's current 16-50 2.8, its a pretty big lens, it's no pancake. I would be surprised if the new zoom could be made into a pancake and keep the constant 2.8 aperture.

The current 16, while not great optically, also has the advantage of accepting the 2 adapters.
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Maybe I am misinterpreting your comment, but why would you want it to perform similar to the 18-55 kit lens? Wouldn't you want it be better?
bloomoose said:
Since SAR came up with the rumor that a 16-50 OSS is imminent, I can´t wait for it.

I really think this one´s needed, I would be content if it were around 400$ EUR and if it performed similar to the normal 18-55 kit lens. The suspense is killing me ;)
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
http://www.model-kartei.de/sedcard/fotograf/184280/
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You are right, I don't know where I got 2.8?

So the advantage would be size and marginally better image quality?

IDK if I would pull the trigger. If it were 2.8 and full size I would probably buy it.

Which brings me to my next thought, it must be difficult to redesign lenses that were designed for APS SLRs to the NEX mount.

Sony has a 16-50 2.8, why not just slap the E moun on it and for the rest of their APS SLR lenses?

IMHO, I think Sony is kind of obsessed with size, to me a few grams here or there really don't matter all that much. To me there are 3 basic sized cameras, pockatable, those that I can carry around my neck all day and those that I can't.
 
bloomoose said:
It really would make sense to have a smaller "kit zoom" as that should make the NEX system more successful.
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I agree. If it was a replacement for the kit zoom it would not necessarily have to be a pancake. Even a collapsible lens like the Olympus 14-42 or Samsung 20-50 would be a nice option. It would probably be pretty hard to make a high quality true pancake zoom starting at 16mm. Most really good zooms that wide have a lot of elements which make it hard to collapse into a pancake thin wafer. A collapsible design a little longer could still be much more compact than the 18-55, have to make less optical compromises and have rings for zoom and focus instead of having to rely on switches like the Panasonic pancake zoom.

But I am expecting a very thin lens with only power zoom and focus. I still might buy one depending on the price and optical quality.
 
Of course, I would want it to be better, but if it will be as compact as a pancake I wonder if it will be as good as the bigger 18-55 (which I think is no slouch). After all the 16 2.8 produces mediocre IQ and that may be because of its size.
yairmarx said:
Maybe I am misinterpreting your comment, but why would you want it to perform similar to the 18-55 kit lens? Wouldn't you want it be better?
bloomoose said:
Since SAR came up with the rumor that a 16-50 OSS is imminent, I can´t wait for it.

I really think this one´s needed, I would be content if it were around 400$ EUR and if it performed similar to the normal 18-55 kit lens. The suspense is killing me ;)
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
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dellaaa said:
You are right, I don't know where I got 2.8?

So the advantage would be size and marginally better image quality?

IDK if I would pull the trigger. If it were 2.8 and full size I would probably buy it.

Which brings me to my next thought, it must be difficult to redesign lenses that were designed for APS SLRs to the NEX mount.

Sony has a 16-50 2.8, why not just slap the E moun on it and for the rest of their APS SLR lenses?
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It is not realy possible to "just slap a E-mount on a A-mount lens. A-mount lenses are designed and optimized for PDAF, the nex uses CDAF, so their has to be a redesign. Then the registration distance is different. When you want you can attach EVERY A-mount lens on your Nex with an adapter (the LA-EA2 you will get the fast PDAF and the use of every A-mount lens on the Nex... So Sony did listen to you, only the adapter is not build in every lens, but sold separately...
dellaaa said:
IMHO, I think Sony is kind of obsessed with size, to me a few grams here or there really don't matter all that much. To me there are 3 basic sized cameras, pockatable, those that I can carry around my neck all day and those that I can't.
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Looking at the lenses for the Nex, I don't think Sony is to obsessed with size, some people on this forum realy are more obssesed with it.
 
Im looking forward to this lens as well but there is always a compromise. Its either size, IQ or cost.

I already have big lenses with decent IQ, what I want is something pocketable for those times where IQ isnt my highest priority. Where I just want to capture a memory.

I feel im digging my self a hole here though as I could just get a P&S if thats my main priority, but you cant get the same low light performance on a smaller sensor even if the lens your using is relative slow lens on the NEX.

My hopes are that it covers the 18 -40 range, with similar IQ to the kit zoom, smaller size and hopefully OSS. Doesnt need to be silent, doesnt need to have a huge range, class leading IQ and super fast. Just needs to be convenient and not break the bank. I have other lenses for when I have other priorities.
yairmarx said:
Maybe I am misinterpreting your comment, but why would you want it to perform similar to the 18-55 kit lens? Wouldn't you want it be better?
bloomoose said:
Since SAR came up with the rumor that a 16-50 OSS is imminent, I can´t wait for it.

I really think this one´s needed, I would be content if it were around 400$ EUR and if it performed similar to the normal 18-55 kit lens. The suspense is killing me ;)
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
http://www.model-kartei.de/sedcard/fotograf/184280/
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If it is good enough in terms of build and image quality, I will pay whatever they want for it. The Nex 5n is a potentially great camera but it needs a great lens.

But somehow, I don't think Sony are really interested in the NEX line.
 
I think Sony is better at making bodies than lenses. By next year they plan to have 10 lenses in the E-mount which is definitely a good start. This new compact zoom - if done right - could attract a lot of point-and-shoot-upgraders who are sitting on the fence waiting for something pocketable with APS-C sensor.
ChrisKramer1 said:
If it is good enough in terms of build and image quality, I will pay whatever they want for it. The Nex 5n is a potentially great camera but it needs a great lens.

But somehow, I don't think Sony are really interested in the NEX line.
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. It doesn't make sense to have a G pancake lens. Something will have to give. Sony need to make a decent/cheap pancake and include it as part of the kit.
bloomoose said:
I think Sony is better at making bodies than lenses. By next year they plan to have 10 lenses in the E-mount which is definitely a good start. This new compact zoom - if done right - could attract a lot of point-and-shoot-upgraders who are sitting on the fence waiting for something pocketable with APS-C sensor.
ChrisKramer1 said:
If it is good enough in terms of build and image quality, I will pay whatever they want for it. The Nex 5n is a potentially great camera but it needs a great lens.

But somehow, I don't think Sony are really interested in the NEX line.
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