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1. Make a small full frame DSLR
2. Keep it simple. Don't worry about super fast frame rates, etc.
3. Make it look like this (alright, no winder)





4. Use the cheapest FF sensor. The IQ benefit that comes with FF is huge.
5. In-body IS is optional, of course preferable
6. Screw-drive AF is optional, of course preferable

7. Use that great bright ME finder, with split-image rangefinder for manual focusing.

Works for Fuji! Their new retro cameras are hits.

Wouldn't this be a lot more exciting than the K-01?
 
Or even this;



Great camera with superior ergonomics. Can easily be converted into mirror-less.

Jacob
 
Great camera that I enjoyed but I wouldn't want to go back there.
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And Sony, make us a new 70" flat screen, but bring back that cool retro wood grain cabinet that was so awesome!

 
Hi there,

Much as I'd love to use my FA31 on an FF digital camera, I don't think it's going to happen.....(unless perhaps the FF Sony NEX 9 rumour is borne out). Suggest you read the post entitled " Why does Pentax FF have to truly be FF? ". Covers a lot of this ground.

Even if Pentax were to produce an FF, I think you need to give up all hope that it would be as small as an ME. The thickness of digital sensors, (plus attached circuit board plus SR mechanism) is much thicker than film plus pressure plate. Just accept that idea. Digital FF is bigger. And then add bulk for battery, AF motors, flash, 100% prism etc.......

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But that is the K01 less optical viewfinder.
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chiane said:
And Sony, make us a new 70" flat screen, but bring back that cool retro wood grain cabinet that was so awesome!

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Couldn't agree more, there is a reason why we have evolved from the old camera designs and frankly I am more then happy with that as most of the older cameras were really uncomfortable to use.
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Cideway said:
Couldn't agree more, there is a reason why we have evolved from the old camera designs and frankly I am more then happy with that as most of the older cameras were really uncomfortable to use.
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...just look once in the viewfinder of a Pentax KX (not a K-x) and then look into your modern DSLR viewfinder, and then try to talk again about "uncomfortable"... ;)
 
LensBeginner said:
LensBeginner said:
Couldn't agree more, there is a reason why we have evolved from the old camera designs and frankly I am more then happy with that as most of the older cameras were really uncomfortable to use.
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...just look once in the viewfinder of a Pentax KX (not a K-x) and then look into your modern DSLR viewfinder, and then try to talk again about "uncomfortable"... ;)
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Those are different things. And I'm afraid we won't get back those wonderful viewfinders unless we're ready to give up the autofocus.

Alex
 
tomtom50 said:
1. Make a small full frame DSLR
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Small is relative, but otherwise I agree.
tomtom50 said:
2. Keep it simple. Don't worry about super fast frame rates, etc.
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DSLRs are complex beasts, I don't see how this can be possible.

Or... are you talking about crippling a camera, i.e. having less fps than the competition etc?
tomtom50 said:
3. Make it look like this (alright, no winder)



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Too limiting. No grip, thus small battery and uncomfortable to hold. Obsolete control interface. No room for AF sensor/optics at the bottom of the camera. Too thin, no room for the thicker sensor and back LCD, definitely no room for SR.
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4. Use the cheapest FF sensor. The IQ benefit that comes with FF is huge.
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They should use a competitive FF sensor, who would buy a FF camera if the results are worse than APS-C?

And such a highly specialized camera (manual-everything) would be very expensive - because of the low volume. This is one of those cases when you increase the price of a product by removing features.
tomtom50 said:
5. In-body IS is optional, of course preferable
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Can't be done in that form factor; body thickness must be increased
tomtom50 said:
6. Screw-drive AF is optional, of course preferable
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AF can't be implemented in that form factor; space must be added beneath, semi-transparent mirror with secondary AF mirror needed, resulting in dimmer viewfinder
tomtom50 said:
7. Use that great bright ME finder, with split-image rangefinder for manual focusing.
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AF needs some of the light, so you're asking for a manual focus-only camera.
tomtom50 said:
Works for Fuji! Their new retro cameras are hits.
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That Fuji doesn't comply with none of your points, sorry.
tomtom50 said:
Wouldn't this be a lot more exciting than the K-01?
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Certainly; but it won't sell.

Alex
 
Oh, please, people. No more retro because you want to join the club and have no forward-thinking vision, whatsoever.

I'm quite glad Pentax thought forward, rather than backwards, in the mirrorless game. First effort might not be perfect, but it's not like Pentax won't make a class-leading camera again. Just look at the k-5 and now K-30.

I'm hoping they come up with a way to use Ricoh's hybrid AF system to improve things on the mirrorless offerings, or some other performance-enhancing technology. They have the IQ down.

Weathersealing in a mirrorless would be really nice, like the OMD.
 
mhike said:
Oh, please, people. No more retro because you want to join the club and have no forward-thinking vision, whatsoever.

I'm quite glad Pentax thought forward, rather than backwards, in the mirrorless game. First effort might not be perfect, but it's not like Pentax won't make a class-leading camera again. Just look at the k-5 and now K-30.
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At 14.000 units per month (initial production volume), the K-01 is not designed to sell in high numbers nor to be "class-leading" (in fact it is, being the only camera in its class ;) ).
mhike said:
I'm hoping they come up with a way to use Ricoh's hybrid AF system to improve things on the mirrorless offerings, or some other performance-enhancing technology. They have the IQ down.

Weathersealing in a mirrorless would be really nice, like the OMD.
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I see them putting most of their efforts into DSLRs; but who knows?

Alex
 
tomtom50 said:
1. Make a small full frame DSLR
2. Keep it simple. Don't worry about super fast frame rates, etc.
3. Make it look like this (alright, no winder)





4. Use the cheapest FF sensor. The IQ benefit that comes with FF is huge.
5. In-body IS is optional, of course preferable
6. Screw-drive AF is optional, of course preferable

7. Use that great bright ME finder, with split-image rangefinder for manual focusing.

Works for Fuji! Their new retro cameras are hits.

Wouldn't this be a lot more exciting than the K-01?
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No. Other than all the skewed possibilities, the camera body is actually too small to hold a pentaprism (glass) and a FF sensor and all the electronics. It would also be uncomfortable to use: I lived through the era of similar cameras, using a Canon F1 and Olympus OM1s for many years. Loved 'em then, wouldn't bother with them on a bet now. Today's APS-C cameras are easier to use and easier to hold. I do miss the brightness of the 35mm viewfinder, but back then I preferred most MF viewfinders for their easier to judge views.

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tomtom50 said:
7. Use that great bright ME finder, with split-image rangefinder for manual focusing.
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I'd really like a brighter, bigger viewfinder, but I don't want it at the expenses of 100% frame coverage. That's one of those features that one really can't go back on once one has gotten used to it.

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