XPS 8500 plus some other stuff

I suspect the GTX 560 would be plenty powerful for my use. I only am leaning toward a Nvidia chip-based card since Adobe supposedly make better use of the CUDA processors vs the similar AMD/ATI cards.
That's only for video processing using the Mercury Playback Engine. For still images and everything else, OpenGL is used (which is supported by AMD/ATI cards, Nvidia cards and Intel HD chipsets beginning with Sandy Bridge).

Using OpenGL and OpenCL means the same code runs on multiple card brands under multiple Operating Systems, and Adobe appears to be going that direction with newer products (although video processing still works better with CUDA using Premiere Pro -- at least for now).

IOW, I suspect they'll probably refine the Video processing so that it's just as fast using OpenGL later, too. That way, they're not tuning it to work better with proprietary technology like Nvidia's CUDA, and users with Intel, AMD, or Nvidia Chipsets will all get superior performance as Adobe refines video processing in later releases.
I fully intend to try out the included AMD card in the 8500 before considering any changes.
As a general rule of thumb, the AMD cards are faster for the same money for most purposes (i.e., you get more "Bang for the Buck" going AMD).

But, I also prefer Nvidia cards.
I had previously been a Dell user but had several issues with their proprietary components and so for my last PC I decided to build it myself, since costwise it was pretty much a wash. Now it seems you have to pay a pretty high premium to build a similarly configured box yourself. I don't like buying new computers so I tend to use them a long time so I try to buy the current technology at that time, rather than saving a little bit with "last years" model, like the 8300.
AFAIK, any of the more recent Dell Mini Tower machines use standard ATX PSUs. So, just check out Customer Reviews by searching for specific models at vendors like newegg.com to get a better feeling for PSUs that fit into a given model's case OK, as I did in my earlier post showing XPS 8300 users that upgraded using several different PSU models.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, I bought a new PSU to upgrade the PSU in a Dell Inspiron 530 and it worked fine (and it was just a cheap 585 Watt PSU that newegg.com had on sale at the time).

I just searched customer reviews of Power Supplies for that Delll's model number to get an idea of what would fit into it better. Here's a post about that box (purchased from Dell Outlet some 4 years ago):

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=28126149

So, I suspect any of them made since then will also work with off the shelf ATX PSUs.

Now.... I do have an even older Dimension 8300 (not XPS 8300) that I bought in 2004, and I understand you have to cut out some of the area where the power switch fits through the case to use an aftermarket PSU with it. Here's a post about that machine posted in January 2005 (about the machine I purchased in 2004)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=11738059

That still wouldn't be a huge deal from what I've seen others report (cutting a bit of metal so that the switches fit through OK). Heck, the PSU in that one bought in 2004 still works fine anyway, even though I've got multiple hard drives stuffed into it. lol

But, for newer models, that's no longer the case from what I can determine (they work without doing any cutting of the case metal to get them to fit in, as long as the dimensions of the PSU are not too big). IOW, modern Dell boxes (at least the Mini Tower designs versus the "small form factor" designs) can use off the shelf ATX Power Supplies without any headaches if they will physically fit into the case.
I do like flexibility so knowing that there are 3rd party PSU that will fit the 8500 is great news. I was reading the Dell forum and it appears that other Dell models had a proprietary mounting arrangement for the PSU so that you had do metal work on the case (nibbling new holes for the power switch, etc) to make 3rd party PSU fit. Happy to hear that isn't the case with the XPS 8500. Probably will never replace it, but nice to know you can if needed.
Well... as mentioned in my last post, Dell has offered the XPS 8300 with an Nvidia GTX 560Ti (pulling around 220 Watts under full load at max speed).

But, power requirements have decreased with the newer Nvidia 6xx series cards. For example, the new GTX 670 has a maximum power draw of 170 Watts according to Nvidia's specs for it. That less than the older GTX 560Ti or GTX 570, and the newer GTX 670 is a much faster card.

I'd also expect 6xx series replacements to be rolled out for other Nvidia card models as time passes, too. For example, I'd expect to see GTX 660 and 650 series cards later with even lower power requirements.

So, personally, I wouldn't worry much about needing a better PSU that Dell ships with their XPS 8300 and XPS 8500 models unless you need super performance for high resolution gaming and want something faster than a GTX 670 (which is a $400 card that runs circles around most modern cards, with a max power draw of 170 Watts).

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Do you have any idea who make the motherboard and hard drives that Dell uses in the XPS 8500?

I am still trying to decide between buying an XPS 8500 and building a similarly configured PC. If I build it myself I have some control over the parts. I guess my biggest concern would be the Hard drives - even though I do backups, having a drive fail is a pain. If I were going to build a box I would likely use WD Caviar Black 6GB drives - (2 drives, a 500gb for the OS and 2TB for data), since I have had good luck with WD drives and I believe their Black drives are supposedly the most reliable. I have had trouble with Seagate in the past, though it was a low end Seagate drive. I am guessing Dell doesn't use extremely high end drives.

I haven't told wife yet how much this is likely to cost.... Never know what the response will be :-)
Rick
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Nope (I don't know what they're using in them).

In the past, I've bought Dell models that included Seagates, Western Digital (and before that Maxtor) drives.

I'm still using both Seagate and WD drives in multiple systems now, and I really don't have any preference, as you'll find good and bad drives with any of them, and that tends to change between drive models. IOW, you really can't claim one manufacturer is better than the other overall anymore, as you'll tend to find higher failure rates with any manufacturer with some models.

But, given that Dell offers optional 3 year (and sometimes optional 4 and 5 year warranties on their business systems), I doubt they're going to go with a drive model they think is going to have a higher failure rate, as that would cost them money (troubleshooting remotely, shipping a replacement drive, scheduling a tech to come out and replace it, etc.).

Most of the more recent Dell models I've bought have used WD drives. But, I did get a system a while back with a Seagate in it.

Given the Thailand flooding problems that WD had, it wouldn't surprise me to see more Seagate drives being used (because they were the least affected by the flood issues). But, I don't know what Dell ships with the newer systems.

In any event, they're advertising 7200rpm drives. So, that rules out the cheaper "Green" models.

Frankly, I wouldn't worry if the drive was a Seagate, WD, Hitachi, Samsung, etc.

Flip a coin as to which brand/model is more reliable unless it's been in the field for a few years with careful monitoring of failure rates for specific model (and they're going to be using newer drive models in a brand new system, without that kind of track record to determine the most reliable model). ;-)

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JimC
 
Do you have any idea who make the motherboard and hard drives that Dell uses in the XPS 8500?

I am still trying to decide between buying an XPS 8500 and building a similarly configured PC. If I build it myself I have some control over the parts. I guess my biggest concern would be the Hard drives - even though I do backups, having a drive fail is a pain. If I were going to build a box I would likely use WD Caviar Black 6GB drives - (2 drives, a 500gb for the OS and 2TB for data), since I have had good luck with WD drives and I believe their Black drives are supposedly the most reliable. I have had trouble with Seagate in the past, though it was a low end Seagate drive. I am guessing Dell doesn't use extremely high end drives.

I haven't told wife yet how much this is likely to cost.... Never know what the response will be :-)
Rick
I took the plunge on the XPS8500 and it comes with a 460W PS.
Went with the 8GB and adding additional 8GB (Cosairs) for 16GB total.
Seagate HDD was in my box (I'm in Canada but my order shipped from US).
Had to split eSATA power leads my 3 internal HDD's
Added in GeoForce GTX 560 since I needed to drive 2 HDMI displays)

The XPS8500 is a tad bit smaller than my 2 year old XPS9000 unit but it is a great unit and no heat issues.

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Congrats on the new XPS 8500.

Any idea who the manufacturer of the motherboard is in the 8500?

Rick
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