AF Eye Control: Pros & Cons

Jason Busch

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EOS30 here (Elan-7E)

I tried it, it works and is accurate but I find it a total gimmick with only 7 points, even more so in the Elan-II with only 3 AF points.... I think the only camera on which it would be useful is one with 45AF points and the only one with BOTH is the EOS3, why the hell Canon didn't fit it to the 1V/D/DS is a mystery as swapping between 45 points must be a pain, ECF would make it quicker...

I Disabled it.

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ECF is a great concept. However it does not work for many of us. That, presumably, is why Canon do not include it on their so-called professional bodies.

I have the feature on my EOS3. Never worked reliably for me . . . or for a friend I got to test it either.

So, I leave it off. If it works for you . . . you love it it seems.

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I have the EOS 3 and I am very happy with the eye control focus. I take a lot of sport pictures of my daughter and miss the eyc on my D 60. That is one feature that I would like to see on a DSLR in the future.
 
I have the EOS 3 and I am very happy with the eye control focus. I
take a lot of sport pictures of my daughter and miss the eyc on my
D 60. That is one feature that I would like to see on a DSLR in
the future.
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It works very well for me on the Elan 7e. I use it quite often, but not when I'm shooting fast action stuff. It's good enough for fast moving kids at close distances though.
I'm curious about anyone who has used the Canon cameras with the
Eye-Focus control. Is it a pain? Do you like it? Would you want a
camera with AF Eye-Control in it?
 
I use Eye Control on my Elan IIe. I am an eyeglass wearer and I have dark asian eyes. It works great for me. I find Eye Control to be very useful and valuable, even with only three autofocus points in the Elan IIe. It's just easier to pick the sensor with your eye than it is with buttons. And it frees up your fingers to perform other tasks on the camera. For me, Eye Control has become very intuitive and natural. However, it doesn't work well for everyone. I have found that if it starts becoming unreliable, I just recalibrate it and it works well again. But you do have to be fairly consistent with how you position your eye over the viewfinder, which isn't a problem for me, even with my eyeglasses.
I'm curious about anyone who has used the Canon cameras with the
Eye-Focus control. Is it a pain? Do you like it? Would you want a
camera with AF Eye-Control in it?
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I have it on my EOS 3 and use it all the time - especially for jazz photography because I only look at the eye of the artist and am free to compose my picture. Since I work normally at 2.8, I really need to make sure the eye(s) are in focus.

I miss it a lot om my D30.

Dirk
http://www.coloursofjazz.com
 
I use an EOS 3 and a 1D.The only thing I really miss on my 1D is EYE-CONTROL!I totally love it on my EOS3.It´s so much easier to select one of the 45 points than with any wheels.To change to another AF point manually (vertically and horizontally),you have to push a button and turn 2 wheels or (if you set CF11/2) turn a wheel,push a button and turn the wheel again.Eye control is 10 times faster and much more comfortable.
Stefan
I have it on my EOS 3 and use it all the time - especially for jazz
photography because I only look at the eye of the artist and am
free to compose my picture. Since I work normally at 2.8, I really
need to make sure the eye(s) are in focus.

I miss it a lot om my D30.

Dirk
http://www.coloursofjazz.com
 
i luv the ECF in my EOS3 !!

Well sometimes it doesn't work accurately if you don't place your eyes correctly, but when you realise that you can't read the lower LCD telling you the info (shutter speed, Aperture ratio, etc) and fix your eye position, ECF is like magic..........

i've no idea why some people complained that it's of no use and is just an unwanted extra, but it works magics for my eyes and me.......

Maybe you guys need to calibrate again...... and make sure the calibration is successful and that your eye is at the correct position.........

dennyk
 
It was very slow on the EOS 5.It's actually realtime on the EOS 3.The only thing I would like:

It should also be able to follow the eye continuousely,while the shutter is halfpressed (like it was possible on the EOS 50E)
BTW,I'm still hoping for a digital eye-controlled camera,maybe based on the 3.
Stefan
Stefan
I'm curious about anyone who has used the Canon cameras with the
Eye-Focus control. Is it a pain? Do you like it? Would you want a
camera with AF Eye-Control in it?
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http://pub103.ezboard.com/bthedigitaldinguscommunity
 
I hope Canon is listening! Having a D30 using only middle focus point most of the time, I cannot imagine having to go throught 45 points manually. Thanks for bringing up this point.

ECF is unique to Canon, and like IS once was unique to Canon, may help winning over customers who are weighing different brands of digital SLRs. It did for me when I purchased my Elan IIe years ago. As a result of that, Canon sold me quite a few lenses and a digital camera...

On the other hand, ECF may not work for all people. In such case, it does not hurt to simply turn it off. Or, Canon can simply repeat what it had done in the past - have a version with it and one without with a slightly different price point.
I have it on my EOS 3 and use it all the time - especially for jazz
photography because I only look at the eye of the artist and am
free to compose my picture. Since I work normally at 2.8, I really
need to make sure the eye(s) are in focus.

I miss it a lot om my D30.

Dirk
http://www.coloursofjazz.com
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Stefan

My problem was not with the speed. But probably because my eye was not always in the same position, so it did not always pick the correct focus point.

It's pretty difficult to get the same eye position. I used to have the same problem when target shooting and getting a consistent aim picture. I believe this is what kept me at an average of 95, rather than higher.

Sorry that last part was a bit OT.
I'm curious about anyone who has used the Canon cameras with the
Eye-Focus control. Is it a pain? Do you like it? Would you want a
camera with AF Eye-Control in it?
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Denny's post carries a message: That people who find ECF useless are somehow incompetent . . . can't figure out how to use the feature.

Not so. Now I can't rule out that my EOS3 might be especially persniketly, but I can NOT calibrate the thing in portrait position. Never have been able to do so . . . not even once! Landscape mode is no problem. Even tried without my glasses . . . no go. So I do not have a good opinion of ECF. It just doesn't work for me . . . and I know I am not alone.

It is NOT a matter of recalibration. It think Canon knows this . . that is why it has never been put on a top-tier body.
Maybe you guys need to calibrate again...... and make sure the
calibration is successful and that your eye is at the correct
position.........
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Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm
 
Interesting, reading other people's opinions of ECF.

I'm a big fan of ECF, no a BIG FAN. My first ECF camera was the A2E (EOS 5) with 5 AF points. ECF was kind of slow, and only fairly accurate. On the Elan 7e (EOS 30) ECF ROCKS! Very fast, very accurate, very forgiving of eye position. The best ECF of any EOS body. On the EOS 3, the ECF is almost, but not quite as fast as the Elan 7e, but less accurate and WAY more sensitive to eye position.

On a camera where the AF sensors are all in a single line, like the D30/60, ECF would be less useful since it's easy to use the dial to move back and forth between the sensors. But as soon as the sensors are in any pattern other than a straight line, ECF gets much more valuable. This would be the Elan 7 with it's cross pattern of sensors, and the EOS 3 with it's wide area array of sensors. With these cameras, there are 2 axes of movement, making manual selection much more difficult.

After using ECF for years, my personal feeling is that if a camera doesn't have ECF, there's really no point in having multiple AF sensors. This is because I find it quicker and easier to focus and recompose than to deal with the complicated arrangement for selecting AF points on two axes. Even on a tripod I find this to be true. This is why I leave my D30, my only non-ECF SLR on the center AF point most of the time. About the only exception is portraits/people, when I'm in vertical orientation and will always want to use the right (top, in vertical) sensor, the one that will fall closest to eye level.

But ECF isn't a mindless miracle, it requires some setup/prep effort to work properly. It's not something you calibrate once and forget, as new calibrations add to, not replace previous calibrations. One should do a new calibration in any new lighting situation. Also, ECF can be sensitive to eye position relative to the viewfinder. The Elan 7e is relatively forgiving in this regard, the EOS 3 is absolutely unforgiving. I believe this to be related to the number and density of AF points.

Eyeglasses and even sunglasses don't seem to be a big factor in success or failure of ECF. I wear quite strong glasses (nearsightedness, astigmatism and presbyopia) and ECF works a charm for me.

Finally though, there are apparently some people for whom ECF simply doesn't work. They can calibrate 'till the cows come home, be completely diligent about eye position and still have no joy. I've corresponded with more than a few of these people, and can find no common factor like eye color, glasses/contacts, ethnicity, nothing.

Lisa
I'm curious about anyone who has used the Canon cameras with the
Eye-Focus control. Is it a pain? Do you like it? Would you want a
camera with AF Eye-Control in it?
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http://pub103.ezboard.com/bthedigitaldinguscommunity
 
No,you're not alone,

it doesn't work for my girlfriend either.Calibration always fails.It works nearly perfect for me,however.

For what reason ever,for some people it does not work.But IF it works,it's great.And I think,it's the best method for choosing an AF point.

And I'm sure,it can be improved in future models,so that it's gonna work for everybody.
Stefan
Not so. Now I can't rule out that my EOS3 might be especially
persniketly, but I can NOT calibrate the thing in portrait
position. Never have been able to do so . . . not even once!
Landscape mode is no problem. Even tried without my glasses . . .
no go. So I do not have a good opinion of ECF. It just doesn't work
for me . . . and I know I am not alone.

It is NOT a matter of recalibration. It think Canon knows this . .
that is why it has never been put on a top-tier body.
Maybe you guys need to calibrate again...... and make sure the
calibration is successful and that your eye is at the correct
position.........
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Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm
 

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