Living with the 5D!

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It would be interesting to hear from people who still love their 5D, be it the classic or the MKII/MKIII.

I guess I fall into the category of feeling good by having the latest equipment, but this comes at a cost. I admire those who can instantly say "I am happy with what I have".

The 5DMKii is a classic example of this, yes the MKiiii has a few more features, but in the UK the body is exactly twice the price of the MKii.

I can also understand if you are a pro that cutting edge can win you more business and the extra 2 stops and AF points can make a difference, so it's a no brainer.

But if you were buying as a hobby it's really difficult to justify double the price, but then again can you live with the fact you have a 3 year old camera?

I guess if you already have a 5DMKII then upgrading is not a priority, but if you are buying a new camera then buying old technology is something that can lead to buyer remourse, I know that through many experiences!!!!!!

Ian
 
Ian, I have Mark I with me. Skip Mark II and go directly to 5D III.
The AF is snappy and the sensor can go all the way to 6400, usable.
so far it is nice.

-a
It would be interesting to hear from people who still love their 5D, be it the classic or the MKII/MKIII.

I guess I fall into the category of feeling good by having the latest equipment, but this comes at a cost. I admire those who can instantly say "I am happy with what I have".

The 5DMKii is a classic example of this, yes the MKiiii has a few more features, but in the UK the body is exactly twice the price of the MKii.

I can also understand if you are a pro that cutting edge can win you more business and the extra 2 stops and AF points can make a difference, so it's a no brainer.

But if you were buying as a hobby it's really difficult to justify double the price, but then again can you live with the fact you have a 3 year old camera?

I guess if you already have a 5DMKII then upgrading is not a priority, but if you are buying a new camera then buying old technology is something that can lead to buyer remourse, I know that through many experiences!!!!!!

Ian
 
Hi Ian,

What are you actually trying to work out at the moment?

Like I said in your other post - I bought the 5d2 in Feb - I knew that a replacement body was just around the corner - I was also expecting it to effectively be the D800 really. But despite that I happily bought the 5d2 knowing that it does everything that I need it to for work - and AF was good enough on the centre point that if I did want to shoot quicker hobby shots I would need to focus and recompose or crop in post (which is not very me!)

I don't have any remorse but I also know that as budget permits I'll be buying a 5d3 too.

If you are looking for advice on what to do now I would say do as your other posts suggest and get a 5d2 plus good lenses - if/when you want to upgrade you won't have lost as much on the body and the lenses will still be as good.

If you feel you have to have the latest and greatest get the 5d3 - but you've already done that and taken it back.

If it's a hobby and you've got a limited budget then work out what is going to help you most in that budget.

But the other thing you were worried about is size and weight - the better glass on an SLR is (almsot) always going to weigh more. I think that the other system you are looking at is maturing well - if you've used some of the primes on the m4/3s you'll see that they have caught up.

I don't know what type of photography you like most but I would say that unless it's birds in flight or sports with panning the m4/3s system would be a good choice and for the same money you could get the top body and some really great lenses.

Whereabouts in the UK are you? I have an m4/3 system and a 5d2 if you're close enough to want to go somewhere and try for a day with a lunchtime switch?

I know that's not the question you asked but I am trying to second guess and help - hope I haven't overstepped the mark!

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I have the classic 5D and just purchased the Mark II. I am a hobbyist and can not justify paying the additional $1400 for the Mark III. I also have a 7D so I have the advanced focus capabilities when I need them.
 
I recently bought a 5D to take to South Africa,along with the 17-40mm L, 100mm macro and 70-300mm L. I really enjoyed using the 5D but did come unstuck with the autofocus and once lost shots when the command dial turned to 'dum' mode for an early morning drive when I really needed a higher iso than 400.

I am on my way to Tokyo today but left the Canon at home and taking my M8 and three lenses (that will be a little easier on the shoulder).

I am not sure what I will do if I decide to upgrade the 5D at some point but I think a second hand 5D mkII will look like excellent value in 6 months time.
 
I was an early adopter near the beginning of the digital age, investing in the original Nikon D1 almost immediately upon its release. (Prior to that, I did own an Olympus 2500L, but only for personal use.) Then Canon's D30 came out. Got it. Then the D60. Then the 10D.

The pace of development was astounding. But I knew I couldn't keep up buying every new model. When the 10D arrived, I felt the technology had more or less matured to the level I needed. Plenty of pixels, decent AF, enough speed, and high ISO performance that exceeded film.

The 10D was the last NEW camera I bought. After that, I bought lightly used bodies at a fraction of the original cost being dumped on the market by people who had to have the latest and greatest. When the 1D Mark III came out, I picked up two Mark II N bodies for $1200 and $800 respectively. (The latter, part of the seller's fire sale, had only 5K clicks!) When the 1Ds Mark III came out, I bought the MkII for $1800 (about 20k clicks). Used 20D bodies set me back all of $250 each, and another 10D body for about $125. (I actually prefer using the 10D over the 20D for a variety of reasons.)

I should point out, too, that I take VERY good care of my gear. All of it is stored in various Pelican cases, never left out when unused. It is not only kept clean but surfaces are kept cosmetically conditioned, too, so as to keep grips soft and all surfaces black-as-new. Sensors and lens glass is carefully and regularly inspected and cleaned. And everything -- bodies and lenses -- ALWAYS have their appropriate caps. Although it receives a lot of use, anyone removing my 1DIIN from my work pack is going to feel compelled for a moment to believe that it is a new body. It is like that car which has plenty of miles but is always kept garaged and perfectly-maintained, and almost still has that "new car smell". Let's face it, the joy of ownership is also a part of photography, for some more than others. I feel far less compelled to buy anything new when my gear still has that fresh-out-of-the-box look.

The photographs I take -- both personal and professional -- simply don't benefit significantly from better gear than what I have. The 1DIIN bodies have more speed than I ever need. The 1DsII body has all the image quality I require. The 10D and 20D bodies are underrated for what they can achieve. (I have a huge 4' tall child's portrait on display for clients made with a 20D that still never fails to stun viewers with its incredible detail.) My money has been better spent on top quality glass and great processing software. Sure, an extra stop or two would be useful here or there. But it's not a make or break. I keep my sensors clean myself, refrain from staring at LCDs, and don't need or want video. What's missing in a 1Ds Mark II for me?

The 1DIIN is, thus far, my favorite Canon body ever. (Even more than the old T90 from the film days.) It sees 90% of my professional use. Meanwhile, a 10D sees 90% of my personal use. I wouldn't mind, however, finding a good used original 5D to use for personal photography, and maybe a little bit of work. I've long wanted one of these, and it would offer a good full-frame counterpart to the 10D. Fortunately, it was very popular and used ones are plentiful. On the other hand, they also seem to be holding value quite well. So, maybe it will still be a while. But for me, it seems that it would be a welcome addition to a stable of cameras in my care that probably a lot of photographers around here would regard as horribly dated.

Even though I have sampled much more modern gear, however, I never feel that any of it hold me back.

On the other hand, I'm not known to take too many photographs of cats or ducks. ;)
It would be interesting to hear from people who still love their 5D, be it the classic or the MKII/MKIII.

I guess I fall into the category of feeling good by having the latest equipment, but this comes at a cost. I admire those who can instantly say "I am happy with what I have".

The 5DMKii is a classic example of this, yes the MKiiii has a few more features, but in the UK the body is exactly twice the price of the MKii.

I can also understand if you are a pro that cutting edge can win you more business and the extra 2 stops and AF points can make a difference, so it's a no brainer.

But if you were buying as a hobby it's really difficult to justify double the price, but then again can you live with the fact you have a 3 year old camera?

I guess if you already have a 5DMKII then upgrading is not a priority, but if you are buying a new camera then buying old technology is something that can lead to buyer remourse, I know that through many experiences!!!!!!

Ian
 
Hi Jamie

Everything you say makes sense and you have pointed me some food for thought!

I live in North Yorkshire so you are a bit away but thanks anyway.

Really appreciate your advise, buying a house was easy, buying a car was easier, but buying a camera ?????????

The type of images I take are mixed really here are some










Hi Ian,

What are you actually trying to work out at the moment?

Like I said in your other post - I bought the 5d2 in Feb - I knew that a replacement body was just around the corner - I was also expecting it to effectively be the D800 really. But despite that I happily bought the 5d2 knowing that it does everything that I need it to for work - and AF was good enough on the centre point that if I did want to shoot quicker hobby shots I would need to focus and recompose or crop in post (which is not very me!)

I don't have any remorse but I also know that as budget permits I'll be buying a 5d3 too.

If you are looking for advice on what to do now I would say do as your other posts suggest and get a 5d2 plus good lenses - if/when you want to upgrade you won't have lost as much on the body and the lenses will still be as good.

If you feel you have to have the latest and greatest get the 5d3 - but you've already done that and taken it back.

If it's a hobby and you've got a limited budget then work out what is going to help you most in that budget.

But the other thing you were worried about is size and weight - the better glass on an SLR is (almsot) always going to weigh more. I think that the other system you are looking at is maturing well - if you've used some of the primes on the m4/3s you'll see that they have caught up.

I don't know what type of photography you like most but I would say that unless it's birds in flight or sports with panning the m4/3s system would be a good choice and for the same money you could get the top body and some really great lenses.

Whereabouts in the UK are you? I have an m4/3 system and a 5d2 if you're close enough to want to go somewhere and try for a day with a lunchtime switch?

I know that's not the question you asked but I am trying to second guess and help - hope I haven't overstepped the mark!

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James
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http://photos.flickr.com/jamestux
http://blog.jamestux.com
 
My kit currently consists of a 5D and a 5D2. The 5D was my second FF Canon body I bought used in November 2010, it still looks like a new body (except for paint wear on the hotshoe) and has under 10K on the shutter. Like Michael I take excellent care of my expensive gear...I proudly say I'm the guy you want to buy used gear from :) The 5D2 I got new last December when the incredible $2K deals were around. I sold my 1Ds so the 'upgrade' only cost me about $1200. I wanted the higher res and live view for my architectural jobs, and the 5D2 has not disappointed.

For paid jobs the 5D2 is my go-to body with 5D as backup, but for my personal stuff I actually use the 5D more. I like the smaller file sizes and the no-frills simplicity of the camera. The 5D2 has soooo many menus and features I don't need. The 5D is just a very solid camera with excellent IQ. My only real complaint is the screen is practically useless outside on a sunny day.

I love having the latest and greatest like everybody else, but when you have camera as good as these two it's really just being greedy wanting something more. I don't need 61 AF points, blazing speed or 6 figure ISO settings, which is why I don't plan on upgrading either of these bodies unless one breaks and can't economically be fixed. The 5D2 has 3 1/2 years of warranty left.

For the first time since getting into photography I can honestly say I have no desire for a camera upgrade. Before I was content but always lusted after better cameras, not anymore. I have a few lenses and lighting pieces on the wishlist but if I buy nothing camera related this year it won't be a bad thing. But that is unlikely ;)
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That's a great set of images Ian. Out of curiosity what camera(s) did you take them with?

I can see why you want an SLR though - they are probably the most versatile cameras.

I genuinely think that you could get the same results with the top Panasonic or Olympus m4/3s though - and they will take a lot less room and weight. The Sony Nex system might be a good compromise too - but the lenses seem disproportionately large to me, once you've gone above a couple of lenses in your bag may as well be carrying a DSLR as the body is not really the space or weight drainer then.

I went down this route with a Leica M9 but I was unlucky enough to use 2 bodies that both erased memory cards.

The important thing is to know the limitations and know that you will be OK with them!

So my decision there was losing AF for fast changing situations, less available focal lengths of lens and no macro. But as I don't shoot sports professionally I decided that M9 plus m4/3s was enough for me.

I have always thought that no one camera will be perfect - and actually the more expensive they get the more the shortcomings jump out at you as you don't feel like they should be there! If you want a reality check at any time just go play with some medium format gear and look at the price tags, that's always a good way to help me get over seeing flaws in smaller format kit!

Of course now that I am back on SLRs the m4/3 has taken a back seat again and I don't mind the weight as much knowing that I will actually get my images at the end of the day.

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Hi Jamie

I had thought about the MFT and the OM-D but just not sure their range of zoom lenses are that great in terms of IQ? NEX 7 looks a good option but again lacks high quality lens options apart from Ziess 24mm.

The XPRO 1 looked a good option but I used to own a X100 and found it tricky!!!!

At the moment I think 5DMKii and 24-105 £2250 and 70-200 f4 IS are at the top of my list, however lack of built in flash and a 3 year old camera is just holding me back

The above shots were taken with 7D and 5DMKII

IAN
That's a great set of images Ian. Out of curiosity what camera(s) did you take them with?

I can see why you want an SLR though - they are probably the most versatile cameras.

I genuinely think that you could get the same results with the top Panasonic or Olympus m4/3s though - and they will take a lot less room and weight. The Sony Nex system might be a good compromise too - but the lenses seem disproportionately large to me, once you've gone above a couple of lenses in your bag may as well be carrying a DSLR as the body is not really the space or weight drainer then.

I went down this route with a Leica M9 but I was unlucky enough to use 2 bodies that both erased memory cards.

The important thing is to know the limitations and know that you will be OK with them!

So my decision there was losing AF for fast changing situations, less available focal lengths of lens and no macro. But as I don't shoot sports professionally I decided that M9 plus m4/3s was enough for me.

I have always thought that no one camera will be perfect - and actually the more expensive they get the more the shortcomings jump out at you as you don't feel like they should be there! If you want a reality check at any time just go play with some medium format gear and look at the price tags, that's always a good way to help me get over seeing flaws in smaller format kit!

Of course now that I am back on SLRs the m4/3 has taken a back seat again and I don't mind the weight as much knowing that I will actually get my images at the end of the day.

--
James
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http://photos.flickr.com/jamestux
http://blog.jamestux.com
 
Hi Jamie

I had thought about the MFT and the OM-D but just not sure their range of zoom lenses are that great in terms of IQ? NEX 7 looks a good option but again lacks high quality lens options apart from Ziess 24mm.
Agreed - and if you want modern conveniences (AF and aperture control) then you don't want to go for converted lenses...

The lenses are great for the weight - but I think you're right - zooms seem to be where SLRs still win.
The XPRO 1 looked a good option but I used to own a X100 and found it tricky!!!!
I wanted to love the X100 - but I just couldn't even like it enough to buy - I'm hoping that the XPRO 1 will be a different beast but I'll wait a while to see how it goes - I really liked the Fujifilm DSLR range but felt abandoned after the S5Pro was just dropped.
At the moment I think 5DMKii and 24-105 £2250 and 70-200 f4 IS are at the top of my list, however lack of built in flash and a 3 year old camera is just holding me back
I don't have any experience of the 24-105 but I've already decided after a few weeks of ownership that the 70-200 is a great lens and for me lack of pop up isn't an issue - I have only ever used it to be a wireless master on Nikon and Fuji bodies. You can always add the 270 EXII which will be small enough to effectively act as a pop up (but I don't think you can control remote ones with that on the 5d2).

As for age, all the testing seems to point to the sensor not having changed significantly between the 5d2 and 5d3 so I wouldn't worry about the age of the camera if you're happy using it and you obviously have experience if your other photos were taken with it.

It does seem like you've made your mind up though, I guess that the 5D3 was just a step too far on the price front? If so get the 5D2 and if you decide you are happy to have the 5D3 again later sell the 5D2 and get one - I would guess that the 5D3 will have dropped in price then too - so you effectively have a low cost (or free depending on prices) long term rental with the 5D2. I think once you take the plunge and buy the kit you'll be absorbed in maximising it and will quickly forget that it's not the latest anyway (especially if you can pry yourself from this forum!!)

You're not alone though - I want the Canon choice of lenses and accessories, Nikon high end AF (this might change when I try the latest Canon version) and high ISO quality, Leica ergonomics and manual focus abilities, a range finder screen that can change to TTL when I want to use long or short lenses with the DR of the old fujifilm sensors and their jpeg output too, plus the resolution of a high end phase One back all in a package that is no bigger than my phone!

Image quality, adaptability and cost are winning for me at the moment though.

Good luck anyway!
The above shots were taken with 7D and 5DMKII

IAN
That's a great set of images Ian. Out of curiosity what camera(s) did you take them with?

I can see why you want an SLR though - they are probably the most versatile cameras.

I genuinely think that you could get the same results with the top Panasonic or Olympus m4/3s though - and they will take a lot less room and weight. The Sony Nex system might be a good compromise too - but the lenses seem disproportionately large to me, once you've gone above a couple of lenses in your bag may as well be carrying a DSLR as the body is not really the space or weight drainer then.

I went down this route with a Leica M9 but I was unlucky enough to use 2 bodies that both erased memory cards.

The important thing is to know the limitations and know that you will be OK with them!

So my decision there was losing AF for fast changing situations, less available focal lengths of lens and no macro. But as I don't shoot sports professionally I decided that M9 plus m4/3s was enough for me.

I have always thought that no one camera will be perfect - and actually the more expensive they get the more the shortcomings jump out at you as you don't feel like they should be there! If you want a reality check at any time just go play with some medium format gear and look at the price tags, that's always a good way to help me get over seeing flaws in smaller format kit!

Of course now that I am back on SLRs the m4/3 has taken a back seat again and I don't mind the weight as much knowing that I will actually get my images at the end of the day.

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