OM-D Tracking AF

If they had opened the lens up to f1.8, then that would be impressive... tacking at f6.3 on m43.. everything is basically in focus, youre not doing much tracking at all.

Also, how does it track throughout its focal range.. from infinity to closest distance.. or how does it track something coming towards the camera.. again at f1.8, not f6.3.
I am not sure if this was posted before, but I saw it buried deep in another thread and thought it deserved it's own thread. The tracking AF in the car scene near the bottom truly looks good. Who needs a mirror?

http://www.onfoto.ru/review/Olympus-OM-D-E-M5/1516.html
 
Yes, but that's not a real tough test. The car wasn't moving very fast, and after the first couple of photos it was moving largely sideways across the field of view.

Show me a shot of someone running a 100 meter dash, straight at the camera. That will tell us more.
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If they had opened the lens up to f1.8, then that would be impressive... tacking at f6.3 on m43.. everything is basically in focus, youre not doing much tracking at all.

Also, how does it track throughout its focal range.. from infinity to closest distance.. or how does it track something coming towards the camera.. again at f1.8, not f6.3.
. . . This is shot with the 12-50 at 50mm which can't be opened up past the lens' limit of f/6.3 at 50mm. And it isn't a comprehensive test of tracking but just an example under those particular circumstances. As it is, It does better in this sample than what I've experienced with the GF1, E-P2 & E-PL3. What are your direct experiences with m4/3 equipment when attempting to use C-AF? Oh that's right, you don't have any working knowledge of how this equipment works at all since you don't own anything except a NEX and a Nikon DSLR!
 
Yes, but that's not a real tough test. The car wasn't moving very fast, and after the first couple of photos it was moving largely sideways across the field of view.
It's a big target, too. It's nice to see someone showing a sample of the camera's C-AF, but it didn't take my breath away.
Show me a shot of someone running a 100 meter dash, straight at the camera. That will tell us more.
Funny, that's exactly what I'm going to have a friend do when I try one out at the camera shop.
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I find that amazing, my GH1 can't do that.

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Yes, but that's not a real tough test. The car wasn't moving very fast, and after the first couple of photos it was moving largely sideways across the field of view.
It's a big target, too. It's nice to see someone showing a sample of the camera's C-AF, but it didn't take my breath away.
Show me a shot of someone running a 100 meter dash, straight at the camera. That will tell us more.
Funny, that's exactly what I'm going to have a friend do when I try one out at the camera shop.
I'm not an expert on C-AF/Tracking technology testing, but why a shot series of someone running strait at the camera, meaning probably tripode (no IS testing) and meaning checking AF in just one single and permament point of the complete sensor area?

Wouldn't it be better the handheld (IS active) C-AF/Tracking of birds in flight (BIF), whit their unpredictable paterns, erratic velocities and changing shapes?

Ed
 
Condor,

You would choose BIF as a rest, but I think young children playing is an even better torture test, and better than the more predictable trajectory of a runner or motor vehicle.
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Smaller lenses, better in low light, more telephoto reach:
you can have any two at one time.
 
If they had opened the lens up to f1.8, then that would be impressive... tacking at f6.3 on m43.. everything is basically in focus, youre not doing much tracking at all.

Also, how does it track throughout its focal range.. from infinity to closest distance.. or how does it track something coming towards the camera.. again at f1.8, not f6.3.
I am not sure if this was posted before, but I saw it buried deep in another thread and thought it deserved it's own thread. The tracking AF in the car scene near the bottom truly looks good. Who needs a mirror?

http://www.onfoto.ru/review/Olympus-OM-D-E-M5/1516.html
Actually...AF doesn't always work as well at f6.3 as f1.8. Also, AF doesn't factor in DOF per se: any system can show out of focus frames at f1.8 that are fine at f6.3.

The tracking AF on the EM5 isn't going to be a threat to Canon or Nikon cameras, but it looks pretty good for a CDAF system.

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i want to see how it tracks with longer lenses, the blackout in that clip isn't so good, it's great with the optimised kit lens but rather short for my needs.
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Condor,

You would choose BIF as a rest, but I think young children playing is an even better torture test, and better than the more predictable trajectory of a runner or motor vehicle.
You got me, but indeed you are totally right, why not young children playing, again unpredictable pattern, changing velocities, using almost whole picture area and oblying handheld tracking (as in majoritie of real life amateur situations).

And believe me, I've had to track several times kids playing, and I'm surely will in the future, but never a runner or some motor vehicle

Ed
 
If they had opened the lens up to f1.8, then that would be impressive... tacking at f6.3 on m43.. everything is basically in focus, youre not doing much tracking at all.
Also, how does it track throughout its focal range.. from infinity to closest distance.. or how does it track something coming towards the camera.. again at f1.8, not f6.3.
I am not sure if this was posted before, but I saw it buried deep in another thread and thought it deserved it's own thread. The tracking AF in the car scene near the bottom truly looks good. Who needs a mirror?

http://www.onfoto.ru/review/Olympus-OM-D-E-M5/1516.html
Actually...AF doesn't always work as well at f6.3 as f1.8. Also, AF doesn't factor in DOF per se: any system can show out of focus frames at f1.8 that are fine at f6.3.
AF tracking is far more challenging at larger apertures for CDAF. Just imagine shooting at 1.8.. and your subject slightly moves back and out of the plane of focus.. the camera needs to figure out what to do. At f6.3 and the distances shown in that video, it doesnt matter since its basically still in focus.
The tracking AF on the EM5 isn't going to be a threat to Canon or Nikon cameras, but it looks pretty good for a CDAF system.

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http://ikkens.zenfolio.com/

http://sarob-w.deviantart.com/
 
Yes, but that's not a real tough test. The car wasn't moving very fast, and after the first couple of photos it was moving largely sideways across the field of view.
It's a big target, too. It's nice to see someone showing a sample of the camera's C-AF, but it didn't take my breath away.
Show me a shot of someone running a 100 meter dash, straight at the camera. That will tell us more.
Funny, that's exactly what I'm going to have a friend do when I try one out at the camera shop.
I'm not an expert on C-AF/Tracking technology testing, but why a shot series of someone running strait at the camera, meaning probably tripode (no IS testing) and meaning checking AF in just one single and permament point of the complete sensor area?

Wouldn't it be better the handheld (IS active) C-AF/Tracking of birds in flight (BIF), whit their unpredictable paterns, erratic velocities and changing shapes?
Simple. My camera shop isn't located near an aviary or playground, but there is a nice, long sidewalk outside. Also, having the subject run towards or away from the camera requires it to make the fastest changes in focus. I don't know why you assumed this kind of testing would be done using a tripod, and no IS.
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Show me a shot of someone running a 100 meter dash, straight at the camera. That will tell us more.
Funny, that's exactly what I'm going to have a friend do when I try one out at the camera shop.
I'm not an expert on C-AF/Tracking technology testing, but why a shot series of someone running strait at the camera, meaning probably tripode (no IS testing) and meaning checking AF in just one single and permament point of the complete sensor area?

Wouldn't it be better the handheld (IS active) C-AF/Tracking of birds in flight (BIF), whit their unpredictable paterns, erratic velocities and changing shapes?
Simple. My camera shop isn't located near an aviary or playground, but there is a nice, long sidewalk outside. Also, having the subject run towards or away from the camera requires it to make the fastest changes in focus. I don't know why you assumed this kind of testing would be done using a tripod, and no IS.
Believe me, my idea was not critizising you, but trying to offer a better and more available and natural subject also (I'll explain below) for C-AF/Tracking testing in terms of evaluating the most variables possible at the same time.

First, and this is totally true an anybody can try it whenever they want, since in fact we all live in aviaries but we have managed to forget it, It's hundreds time easier, since you are going to go outside the shop, to see a bird flying in the sky than a person running on the sidewalk, unless he is followed by a police officer. You don't need to involve anybody else to do the first, it happens naturaly and contantsly.

A bird will also run (fly in this case) towards and away from you, but several time fasters, and not using just the same spot of the sensor, in unpredictable patterns, at different speeds and always changing the shape to be tracked. Taking advantage of the name that Olympus indeed gave to this feature, C-AF "3D", your hard to find in real world subject would just be some kind of C-AF "1D" test.

Even though you plan to use IS on for handheld tracking the man running strait towards and away from you, in fact you would not be really using it at its maximum since the subject would be just in one axis, 1D.

If you check even the first photos and videos from the "experts" from different "serious review sites" who were invited to Amsterdam to be amazed by the extraordinary performance of new and revolutionary E-M5 3D tracking feature, you can see photos and videos of slow boats and anchored submarines, but nobody did the test of 3D track any of the dozens of birds that you can see flying and evolving in those same video images and photos. Isn't that odd?

Ed
 
Because the car passes very closely by the photographer. At a short distance, the photographer has to turn quickly, even if the car doesn't move so fast (probably around 20MPH at that point in Amsterdam).

The quick turning really makes it a tough test. The camera maintains the track on the same spot and keeps updating photos, while pumping at 4.2 fps. The shot rate may seem disappointing in that it's the full 9fps, but don't forget that a DSLR like the 600D does 3.7fps, and the 60D does 5.3fps.
Yes, but that's not a real tough test. The car wasn't moving very fast, and after the first couple of photos it was moving largely sideways across the field of view.

Show me a shot of someone running a 100 meter dash, straight at the camera. That will tell us more.
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Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/bilgy_no1
 
BIF and other erratic subjects are tough for any system. If Oly can get predictive CDAF working, so that it can track a steadily moving object at 4 fps, that will be a significant advance.

I'm not looking for miracles, just a significant improvement over what CDAF can do today.
I'm not an expert on C-AF/Tracking technology testing, but why a shot series of someone running strait at the camera, meaning probably tripode (no IS testing) and meaning checking AF in just one single and permament point of the complete sensor area?

Wouldn't it be better the handheld (IS active) C-AF/Tracking of birds in flight (BIF), whit their unpredictable paterns, erratic velocities and changing shapes?

Ed
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Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).
 
The fact that the camera is panning has no impact on AF at all. AF is solely dependent on camera to subject distance and contrast. When a car is passing parallel to the camera, there's no change in focus distance, even when panning.

OK, that's not literally true: there are small, gradual changes in distance, but gradual changes are easy for CDAF to handle. This test is a little tougher, since the car is moving obliquely relative to the camera, but even so the changes in distance are gradual. And, as someone pointed out, DOF at f 6.3 is pretty big, which will mask small errors.

A subject moving directly toward or away from the camera at a higher speed is a much tougher test; a subject changing direction and speed tougher still. That clip, while promising, doesn't begin to indicate whether Oly has come anywhere close to the tracking performance of PDAF systems.

I don't think anyone else mentioned the frame rate, but since you did, 9 fps isn't even in the discussion. The OMD only focuses for the first shot at that speed.
Because the car passes very closely by the photographer. At a short distance, the photographer has to turn quickly, even if the car doesn't move so fast (probably around 20MPH at that point in Amsterdam).
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Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).
 
Because the car passes very closely by the photographer. At a short distance, the photographer has to turn quickly, even if the car doesn't move so fast (probably around 20MPH at that point in Amsterdam).

The quick turning really makes it a tough test. The camera maintains the track on the same spot and keeps updating photos, while pumping at 4.2 fps. The shot rate may seem disappointing in that it's the full 9fps, but don't forget that a DSLR like the 600D does 3.7fps, and the 60D does 5.3fps.
Yes, but that's not a real tough test. The car wasn't moving very fast, and after the first couple of photos it was moving largely sideways across the field of view.

Show me a shot of someone running a 100 meter dash, straight at the camera. That will tell us more.
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Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/bilgy_no1
whilst it is an improvement and will suffice for some, 20mph is pretty slow, and the kit lens is also optimised for quicker AF, throw in the shorter focal length it's better than before but not exactly earth shattering.
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