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bronxbombers said:
studio311 said:
If the new 5d has the exact same 61pt AF system as the 1D X plus 7fps (6.9)....that will really hurt 1DX sales. Sorry, but I'll believe it when I see it. Regardless, I'm sure the new cam will rock.
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If it has 4fps and a crippled 1DX AF system or some crummy 61pt garbage version of AF then it will get killed by the D800 and better to lose a few $7000 1DX sales than tons of $3000 sales to the D800. The few who MUST have the 12fps will pay, nobody else is paying $7000 in terms of any noticeably large amount of sales.

If it has 4fps and 22MP even 5D2 may just sit it out.
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Totally agree! But I can't imagine they would come to press next week excited if that's what it is. That would be a disaster to follow the recent Nikon announcements. There's something that has been released by the rumor mill that will be the new camera's gotta-have-it factor. I think it will be video related and high iso to go along with the much improved focusing. Canon will have to match the D800's cross type focusing sensors count (I believe 15). Anything less and this forum is going to look like Egypt did a year ago.
 
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Luke Kaven said:
All eyes are going to be watching how Canon derives video frames in this generation.

If Canon can achieve the throughput necessary to derive video frames from downsampled full frame captures , it will set the video industry on its ear. It just might be that the newest DIGIC is up to this, so long as their sensor allows for very rapid readout.
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I believe it will, nothing else makes the 22MP sensor sensible or the long delay for Digic 5+.
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I'm definitely on the edge of my seat for this one.

I've seen others describe how 22MP is perfect for line-skipping and that certainly this will be the reason why the 5DIII will have 22MP.

But I think that both Canon and Nikon have progressed beyond simple line-skipping. Nikon is mum about how they derive video frames now, and several of us have wondered whether they are using subsampling in the local pixel neighborhood. These Exmors and Expeed3s have huge bandwidth. So at the very least, I expect Canon to have stretched themselves on this one.

I definitely think they know what's at stake. Up to $500M in sales. Nikon is making D800s at the rate of 30,000/month.
 
Kabe Luna said:
Instead, I'll save money by getting a D800 to go with my Nikkor lenses.

I hope they're wrong.
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You've got Nikkor lenses (I have too, but they are pre-AI ones that won't fit the D800)

For the rest of us we need to keep bigging up the new 5D - cant have the second hand lens market collapsing round us.

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bobn2 said:
Bassman2003 said:
I would be happy with these specs. I am one of those video people who are used to paying up for video cameras. So if Canon can put a clean HDMI feed out of this camera I will buy two and think it is a bargain!

I am not holding my breath on this feature though...
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But the D800's got it, is $500 less, so it must be an even bigger bargain. Smooth silent aperture adjust during video too, headphone socket, APSC video crop. You probably wouldn't use AF in video, but it's got it.
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You are correct but I would rather stay with Canon as I think they will have a great video image and I own lenses. But I will not want to stay if they do not match the D800 specs.

I am in a strange position where I do still photography as well as video professionally. The 5DMKII is plenty of camera for my work (high volume portrait work). So I do not need to upgrade my still camera. But, if I can see a dual use out of a new model that offers pro video features I can justify the upgrade. I great upgrade move, but only if the specs are there. For some reason I do not expect Canon to have the clean HDMI output although Nikon has implemented it. I hope they see that people like me are basing purchasing decisions on if they "step out of the box" so to speak.
 
bobn2 said:
Luke Kaven said:
I definitely think they know what's at stake. Up to $500M in sales. Nikon is making D800s at the rate of 30,000/month.
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$90,000,000/month
$1,000,000,000/year.....
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I wonder how long they can keep that production level up? It's an open question.

I was guessing something around 200,000 units at $2500 average wholesale. Wholesale will start higher and move lower. Gives me an idea of the order of the function, if not the actual value. It's a lot of money!

Would you agree with me that the first manufacturer to come up with video derived from full-frame captures will win the pennant? It would look spectacular.

Once you can move full-frame captures themselves around at 30/second, you can do all kinds of amazing things. Pre-roll for example. 4K, 8K video.
 
Luke Kaven said:
bobn2 said:
Luke Kaven said:
I definitely think they know what's at stake. Up to $500M in sales. Nikon is making D800s at the rate of 30,000/month.
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$90,000,000/month
$1,000,000,000/year.....
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I wonder how long they can keep that production level up? It's an open question.
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Yes it is, there simply isn't that big a market out there. Thom Hogan thinks they have planned a lower end D600 (D4 sensor, FX D7000 body) much cheaper to take up the volume once the D800 tails off.
Luke Kaven said:
I was guessing something around 200,000 units at $2500 average wholesale. Wholesale will start higher and move lower. Gives me an idea of the order of the function, if not the actual value. It's a lot of money!
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That sounds more realistic.
Luke Kaven said:
Would you agree with me that the first manufacturer to come up with video derived from full-frame captures will win the pennant? It would look spectacular.
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It's only part of the market - Nikon's weakness (and Canons for that matter) is that they aren't big players in the real video markets.
Luke Kaven said:
Once you can move full-frame captures themselves around at 30/second, you can do all kinds of amazing things. Pre-roll for example. 4K, 8K video.
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Yup, but how many DSLR video shooters would be motivated by that. I don't know. Canon I would guess will go there with it's EOS-C range, maybe not the normal DSLRs.
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MASTERPPA said:
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MASTERPPA said:
Ok, so how many people believe this (I do), since it fits the images, but, does anyone else think $3500 is WAY TO MUCH?
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price is is too much compared to D800. Is 2.9fps worth $500 more than 14MP. And unlike D800 which has full D4 AF system, 5D X will get a somewhat crippled version of 1D X AF knowing how Canon operates.

Sounds like it should be $2999, but if it offers things like substantially better noise and DR than 5D II and D800, and AF is say at least as good as 1D IV, then I'm vry interested. However, I as usual will wait 12-18 moths before buying, so plenty of time for price to come down.
 
Check out Photozone.de review of Nikon 85mm f/1.4 G. Better sharpness across frame than L mkII version, and it out-resolves the D3x sensor at f4. I've seen quite a few D3x RAW samples, and it's pretty impressive.

SB
 
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If 22mp is where they start, aps-c crop would just be around 8.5mp. Not much like d800
studio311 said:
bobn2 said:
studio311 said:
Good points but don't you think canon will provide clean hdmi out, crop modes and a headphone jack??? I do, but if they don't ...yeah, that would be tough to swallow at $3,500.
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Couldn't see them in the spec of the 1D X, so are they going to appear in the 5D?
They were all in the D4, and now they are in the D800.

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bobn2 said:
Luke Kaven said:
Would you agree with me that the first manufacturer to come up with video derived from full-frame captures will win the pennant? It would look spectacular.
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bobn2 said:
It's only part of the market - Nikon's weakness (and Canons for that matter) is that they aren't big players in the real video markets.
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bobn2 said:
Once you can move full-frame captures themselves around at 30/second, you can do all kinds of amazing things. Pre-roll for example. 4K, 8K video.
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bobn2 said:
Yup, but how many DSLR video shooters would be motivated by that. I don't know. Canon I would guess will go there with it's EOS-C range, maybe not the normal DSLRs.
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As nearly as I can figure it, Canon and Nikon stumbled into the combined "visual artist tool". If I were going to art school today, I'd want the D800/5DII/III. If I were the art department at a university, I would be buying them too. If I were a newspaper or magazine, I'd be buying them.

Having seen timelapse videos made from full-frame stills, I'm convinced that this is the pinnacle of HD quality video in the near term. If someone brings it, all will want it.
 
cs hauser said:
MASTERPPA said:
Specs

22mp
61pt AF
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It would be ridiculous if Canon designed TWO brand new sensors with near-identical resolution and near-identical noise performance to be release simultaneously. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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I agree, unless there is something technically quite new in one of these sensors.

Perhaps the 5D3 sensor is better optimized for video (and 1D X sensor for ultra high ISO work). Future reviews will tell us.
cs hauser said:
Unless... one of the sensors was artificially crippled and/or manufactured under much lower standards. That is the one and only way this makes any sense.
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I do not think Canon would cripple their sensor in their $3k+ camera.
cs hauser said:
And that is the ONLY reason why I'm hoping this 22 MP rumor is false. I don't mind the 22 megapixels, but I'm very wary of this coming out alongside a 18 MP sensor for the flagship model.
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Jon_Doh said:
If that's true then that not only will keep Canon in the game vis a vis Nikon, but in my opinion push them ahead. 36mp is just too much right now. The 5DII has great resolution and enough pixels for a lot of cropping, but what it was lacking in was an antiquated autofocus and meter system. These specs promise to rectify those shortcomings while hopefully pushing the ability to shoot at higher ISO's upward.
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That makes perfect sense.

21 MP in the 5DII was an advantage over the 12 MP D700, but now that the Nikon has more it's a drawback :P
 
+1
Getting ready to transfer my deposit from the 1DX to the 5D3/X.
MASTERPPA said:
As a wedding shooter, my biggest 2 problems with the 5DII are addressed in this camera. 1) AF 2)one slot (no backup)

The only thing is the price seems a little higher. But I think I realize what Canon is doing, they are using this a gap filler between the 5D and 1D.. This camera really should be a 3D.

I have a 1DIII and a 5DII.. I really want to replace the 1DIII more then the 5DII :)
This camera would at a cheaper price then a 1DIV, ect..
jgb said:
These specs do not tell many of us the info we might need to make a decision. I personally don't care about how many focus sensors; the current system works just fine for me. If this camera does not have much better DR, and no pattern noise, I don't care if it sells for even as little as $2000. At $3500 I can't see it at all. Lets wait to see whether this is a warmed over 5Dii, or whether it truly is significantly improved. I am getting ready to be disappointed.
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My guess is that the 5D2 will be $2299 in a couple of months
So $1200 for better AF and nothing else "known"
My GF has a 5D2 and it's a wonderful camera
PQ is perfect for most needs
But I do wish it had faster AF for shooting our German Shepherds
but not for $1300

has Moore's law stopped in 2012 for Canon?

I guess that these rumors either make little sense or are very disappointing

Rob
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"5D Mark III/X

Below are the specs for the coming 5D replacement, the full name of the camera is currently unknown.

Specs

22mp
61pt AF
100% VF
3.2″ LCD
Dual CF/SD Card Slots
Price: Around $3500 USD
Announcement on February 27 or 28, 2012 (Depending where you are on earth)

So this pretty much confirms what we’ve been saying for a while now."

Ok, so how many people believe this (I do), since it fits the images, but, does anyone else think $3500 is WAY TO MUCH?
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Drawback?
really?
if you don't need them you can shoot with 25mp or even less
so why would it be a drawback?
as long as the IQ is great the d800 seems a superior camera at a cheaper price
ovrebekk said:
Jon_Doh said:
If that's true then that not only will keep Canon in the game vis a vis Nikon, but in my opinion push them ahead. 36mp is just too much right now. The 5DII has great resolution and enough pixels for a lot of cropping, but what it was lacking in was an antiquated autofocus and meter system. These specs promise to rectify those shortcomings while hopefully pushing the ability to shoot at higher ISO's upward.
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That makes perfect sense.

21 MP in the 5DII was an advantage over the 12 MP D700, but now that the Nikon has more it's a drawback :P
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I can get out my crystal ball and tell you exactly where the hit will be in performance in every way. Sure it will have the 61 pt sensor but the 1D X has dual DIGIC 5+ processors (and a dedicated DIGIC 4 just doing the metering and feeding color based information back into the auto focus). I'll bet money that the new 5D3 will only have one or two DIGIC 5 processors (not 5+) handling all of the functionality...
 
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