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Probably not a big deal as it's likely just the existing K-r replacement Pentax was already working on before the buyout anyway, but officially it will be the first ever DSLR launched/released by Ricoh after exiting the SLR market years ago, so a historic moment for them I think.

So this first DSLR off the bat probably won't have much cross-pollination with Ricoh cameras or firmware etc, but it'll still be interesting to see how well it sells as a sign of Pentax's future health under Ricoh ownership. And Ricoh's own too.

I'm guessing Dec 9 because B&H has the K-r already listed as discontinued and Pentax Japan has tweeted they will not take any new K-r orders after the 9th.
 
Should read: "I read a tweet by Pentax about how they wouldn't accept orders for the K-r after December 9 and have concluded that the next Pentax entry-level DSLR is due sometime after December 9 2011.

Then this set my mind in motion, thinking about how this new camera would sell, and how this would affect the future of Ricoh and the universe."

Doh!
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Andrew
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'Ricoh's first ever DSLR'

I don't understand how a new Pentax dSLR really becomes a new Ricoh dSLR. I know the Ricoh company own Pentax but I see the two camera concerns as very different and separate arms of the parent company. I think that until we see a new mutant camera offspring or some hideous-to-behold Pentax-Ricoh chimera then I'll continue to see the conflation of Pentax and Ricoh as the product of fervid fantasy.
 
Pangloss said:
Should read: "I read a tweet by Pentax about how they wouldn't accept orders for the K-r after December 9 and have concluded that the next Pentax entry-level DSLR is due sometime after December 9 2011.

Then this set my mind in motion, thinking about how this new camera would sell, and how this would affect the future of Ricoh and the universe."

Doh!
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That would be a lie then because I didn't read any tweet which set my mind in motion.

This is both an article on Photorumors as well as a double-digit page discussion on Pentaxforums. I'm just passing it on to this forum for discussion here as well if anybody's interested in Ricoh entering the DSLR market for the first time as 'Pentax Ricoh'.
iaredatsun said:
'Ricoh's first ever DSLR'

I don't understand how a new Pentax dSLR really becomes a new Ricoh dSLR. I know the Ricoh company own Pentax but I see the two camera concerns as very different and separate arms of the parent company. I think that until we see a new mutant camera offspring or some hideous-to-behold Pentax-Ricoh chimera then I'll continue to see the conflation of Pentax and Ricoh as the product of fervid fantasy.
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I thought so too initially, but they are not separate. The Ricoh press release states clearly both companies were combined into one with Ricoh personnel moving entirely into the former Pentax premises to operate as a single division of Ricoh Corp - called Pentax Ricoh. Only the marketing/branding is separate now, otherwise they are one and the same singular company with the same staff etc. So any fervid fantasy would actually be to still regard Pentax as a separate company or even division from Ricoh itself, when it is not.

So any new Pentax-branded DSLRS will be coming from Pentax Ricoh, not from any non-existant entity named Pentax. Which works both ways as well - Ricoh-branded cameras are all now made by Pentax Ricoh too, not by any entity called Ricoh. My mistake for referring to them as Ricoh only in the first place, old habits sorry.
 
iaredatsun said:
'Ricoh's first ever DSLR'

I don't understand how a new Pentax dSLR really becomes a new Ricoh dSLR. I know the Ricoh company own Pentax but I see the two camera concerns as very different and separate arms of the parent company.
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In the late 1980's, Chrysler temporarily acquired Lamborghini. Ownership was the only connection between the brands; nothing was shared or copied between them. Chrysler's big deal then was the minivan; not much connection to a Diablo or Countach.
iaredatsun said:
I think that until we see a new mutant camera offspring or some hideous-to-behold Pentax-Ricoh chimera then I'll continue to see the conflation of Pentax and Ricoh as the product of fervid fantasy.
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Pentax Ricoh re-spells as "China Export".
 
anthony mazzeri wrote:

"So any new Pentax-branded DSLRS will be coming from Pentax Ricoh, not from any non-existant entity named Pentax. Which works both ways as well - Ricoh-branded cameras are all now made by Pentax Ricoh too, not by any entity called Ricoh."

I am getting a bit worried that the ex-Pentax staffs will muck up the GXR, like using their faulty af system from Kr/K5 :)

No. I am actually looking forward to a KR replacement that focuses properly and have 1080p video recording. A 12M sensor is good enough for me. I really hope that Ricoh Pentax won't screw this up.
 
Is the OP not related to Ricoh??
Pangloss said:
Should read: "I read a tweet by Pentax about how they wouldn't accept orders for the K-r after December 9 and have concluded that the next Pentax entry-level DSLR is due sometime after December 9 2011.

Then this set my mind in motion, thinking about how this new camera would sell, and how this would affect the future of Ricoh and the universe."

Doh!
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Andrew
Novice photographer
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::> I make spelling mistakes. May Dog forgive me for this.
 
zxaar said:
Is the OP not related to Ricoh??
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Cheap shot.

This is a gear/tech/gadget/manufacturer website, so I have to ask now why are you taking a shot at me because I want to discuss subjects which are exactly what this site is all about discussing? The forums themselves are clearly divided into brands/manufacturers to support this fact. So why are you and Pangloss even here if you actually consider such discussions beneath you that you need to mock others who do?

Besides which, the amount of blood, sweat and money I've committed to them, I'm clearly related to Nikon instead. Why else stick with someone you've never been entirely happy with if they weren't family!

I've been happy with Ricoh though. Want more from them. Like a DSLR. Regardless if they brand it Pentax or Ricoh. Especially a much lighter but still feature-packed one. But like Yomama, the current K-r wasn't quite there yet.

Which brings me back to the thread topic - I'm interested in Pentax Ricoh's future directions in the DSLR space and if they will become more Ricoh-esque. The current crop of Pentax DSLRs is already very close to the Ricoh camera in terms of control placement so it will be interesting to see what small steps this next model will take if any to become more like Ricoh, eg the firmware etc.
 
With the birth of my first child I was looking at buying the Pentax K5 but kept hesitating (partly due to prices) I've decided to wait a bit longer and see what comes out of Pentax/Ricoh too.

I am making do with my Nikon P7000 which is giving some nice B&W output at ISO 800 (frustrating reluctancy to focus though)

Btw, I think you may have misunderstood the previous post, it seemed to me that he was supporting your posting here.

regards........Paul
 
Have you seen the new firmware update for the P7000 which might help some with speeding up the focus. Maybe get some extended life out of yours while you wait for the K5 successor. Actually makes it look a tempting purchase now the price has dropped with the release of the newer model with almost the same specs, very much like the GRD III now with the GRD IV.

Apologies if I misunderstood the previous post, I just took it literally that I must have some vested or unusual interest in the company.
 
Considering the timing, I wager it might be later than sooner.
  • Franka
 
Thanks for the firmware tip, very good timing for me ;-)
Initial reports are good for improved focusing, I'll run the update today.

regards........Paul
 
anthony mazzeri said:
zxaar said:
Is the OP not related to Ricoh??
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Cheap shot.
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??????????
????????

Who took cheap shot at you. If I did anything it was I supported you that you could post it in ricoh forum.
anthony mazzeri said:
This is a gear/tech/gadget/manufacturer website, so I have to ask now why are you taking a shot at me because I want to discuss subjects which are exactly what this site is all about discussing? The forums themselves are clearly divided into brands/manufacturers to support this fact. So why are you and Pangloss even here if you actually consider such discussions beneath you that you need to mock others who do?

Besides which, the amount of blood, sweat and money I've committed to them, I'm clearly related to Nikon instead. Why else stick with someone you've never been entirely happy with if they weren't family!

I've been happy with Ricoh though. Want more from them. Like a DSLR. Regardless if they brand it Pentax or Ricoh. Especially a much lighter but still feature-packed one. But like Yomama, the current K-r wasn't quite there yet.

Which brings me back to the thread topic - I'm interested in Pentax Ricoh's future directions in the DSLR space and if they will become more Ricoh-esque. The current crop of Pentax DSLRs is already very close to the Ricoh camera in terms of control placement so it will be interesting to see what small steps this next model will take if any to become more like Ricoh, eg the firmware etc.
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::> I make spelling mistakes. May Dog forgive me for this.
 
Again, my apologies for any misunderstanding. I simply took the word 'related' literally in context of Pangloss mocking my interest in speculating on future Pentax Ricoh cameras which put me unnecessarily on edge.
 
Better be FF ;) Especially since there certainly are some Pentax users which want one.
 
anthony mazzeri said:
zxaar said:
Is the OP not related to Ricoh??
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Cheap shot.

This is a gear/tech/gadget/manufacturer website, so I have to ask now why are you taking a shot at me because I want to discuss subjects which are exactly what this site is all about discussing? The forums themselves are clearly divided into brands/manufacturers to support this fact. So why are you and Pangloss even here if you actually consider such discussions beneath you that you need to mock others who do?

Besides which, the amount of blood, sweat and money I've committed to them, I'm clearly related to Nikon instead. Why else stick with someone you've never been entirely happy with if they weren't family!

I've been happy with Ricoh though. Want more from them. Like a DSLR. Regardless if they brand it Pentax or Ricoh. Especially a much lighter but still feature-packed one. But like Yomama, the current K-r wasn't quite there yet.

Which brings me back to the thread topic - I'm interested in Pentax Ricoh's future directions in the DSLR space and if they will become more Ricoh-esque. The current crop of Pentax DSLRs is already very close to the Ricoh camera in terms of control placement so it will be interesting to see what small steps this next model will take if any to become more like Ricoh, eg the firmware etc.
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I am with you all the way until my nose bleeds Anthony.

Those with nothing much to say trying to censor others with something to say.

Surely if the subject does not interest then no comment is necessary, what motivates others to mock effort?

Andrew Pangloss who is a very useful member of this forum seems to have had his knickers in a twist ever since the M mount module beat the aps-c zoom to the Ricoh starting gate. Now nothing pleases.

Andrew, the aps-c zoom is coming, too slowly perhaps, but it is coming ....

I promise that I will not savage those who are excited about the prospect even though it is not exactly to my taste and that a nice 85mm f1.4 A16 would be more to my preferment. But, alas ....

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Tom Caldwell
 
Midwest said:
iaredatsun said:
'Ricoh's first ever DSLR'

I don't understand how a new Pentax dSLR really becomes a new Ricoh dSLR. I know the Ricoh company own Pentax but I see the two camera concerns as very different and separate arms of the parent company.
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In the late 1980's, Chrysler temporarily acquired Lamborghini. Ownership was the only connection between the brands; nothing was shared or copied between them. Chrysler's big deal then was the minivan; not much connection to a Diablo or Countach.
Midwest said:
I think that until we see a new mutant camera offspring or some hideous-to-behold Pentax-Ricoh chimera then I'll continue to see the conflation of Pentax and Ricoh as the product of fervid fantasy.
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Pentax Ricoh re-spells as "China Export".
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You had better believe it. I have seen Stanley tools of their usual excellent quality packaged as "made in China" for years now. In fact many well known quality brand names now come in made in China packaging. You had best talk to your corporate leaders quite firmly.

The quality of Chinese made goods is now worthy of respect although there are still cheap tawdry poorly made rubbish to be had if you go looking for it.

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Tom Caldwell
 
I hope they do have a new body because mine is waiting for an AF fix!

With a new body I might be able to get an exchange off of them ;-)

Of they could actually address the AF problem with the K-r and I'll happily buy a new K-r update

It seems a bit late in the year to launch a new body I'd expect one early next year they'll probably run stocks of the K-r until then though they are low in some places.
 
Okay, B&H has all but the K-r body-only and the two-lens kit as officially discontinued in red letters now. Pentax Ricoh must surely have something to announce now... even if it's just to say 'no more red or stormtrooper K-r'...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=pentax+k-r&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

PS. Just read somewhere the Australian distributor for Ricoh will cease on Dec 22 and the new official distributor for Pentax Ricoh will start on Feb 1 so any customer orders placed in those intervening six weeks will lay in limbo and be treated as a backorder by the new distributor. So bad timing if that APSC zoom module is released in January!
 
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