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Is it just me? I find it unbelievable some of the entries people put into challenges.

I know we discuss here whether challenge hosts are clear in what they are looking for but I am constantly amazed at how off-topic people are when posting entries.

Go have a look at Cityscapes - Panoramics. I mean the title itself could not be clearer and yet we have entries showing only bridges, fjords (not a building in sight) and single towers.

In the animals in action challenge which is only restricted to 30 photos - we have at least six showing animals sitting, walking and lying down. Thats 6 people who can't put in a legitimate entry.

Do these people do this to see whether the host is on the ball or are they truly stupid?
If hosts don't care ..doesn't this just exacerbate this kind of behaviour?
 
I agree......... and in addition even with participants fluent in English and this could be due to the fact that some don't even bother to read the rules, maybe the beginning but not the additional "Show full rules" Tap.
jm
DK Baker said:
Hosts run the gamut of all those things. I suspect some entrants don't understand English and just guess based on the other photos entered.

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It's always the first thing I click on. I don't want to look stupid.
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In my -limited- experience most irregularities come from participants in non-English speaking countries. However there must be many English members with digilliteracy.
 
So far in my Neon Lights challenge there have been 35 entries. I have DQ's 10 of those because they had no neon lights.

I DQ'd 5 others because they cheated on the date they said they took the picture.
 
Nothing new there as far as disregarding the rules, no Neon Lights no entry; quite simple but again one has to be able to read the rules. Now cheating about the date is unacceptable since you the Host has to go and check every entry. What, if any, are the general rules of DPR for those cheats. Can you ban them from your challenges?
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So far in my Neon Lights challenge there have been 35 entries. I have DQ's 10 of those because they had no neon lights.

I DQ'd 5 others because they cheated on the date they said they took the picture.
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jmgir said:
Nothing new there as far as disregarding the rules, no Neon Lights no entry; quite simple but again one has to be able to read the rules. Now cheating about the date is unacceptable since you the Host has to go and check every entry. What, if any, are the general rules of DPR for those cheats. Can you ban them from your challenges?
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Not quite so simple .. I got DQ'd because the host "was unable to determine whether the lights were neon or not"

They definitily are but just not obviously so. I'm happy with that comment BTW but it does show that not everything is as it seems.
John
 
John of Brisbane said:
jmgir said:
Nothing new there as far as disregarding the rules, no Neon Lights no entry; quite simple but again one has to be able to read the rules. Now cheating about the date is unacceptable since you the Host has to go and check every entry. What, if any, are the general rules of DPR for those cheats. Can you ban them from your challenges?
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Not quite so simple .. I got DQ'd because the host "was unable to determine whether the lights were neon or not"
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Did you tell the Host that indeed they were Neon Lights because a good Host would look into it and reinstate the photo.
John of Brisbane said:
They definitily are but just not obviously so. I'm happy with that comment BTW but it does show that not everything is as it seems.
John
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There are quite a few good - free - translation apps on the internet. I've used one for Swedish to English - not perfect, but I certainly get the message. The rules are not that diverse - pretty much a half dozen phrases. Clearly they've figured out enough English to find the site!

I think chronic violators should just be banned from challenges - if they can't give this site a couple minutes to read and respect the rules - why do we need to waste our time with their entries?

Of course - that's easier said than done.
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Wow ..thanks ... that's service ... I didn't even intend that. I'm usually happy with the umpires call and intentions.

I just get upset when my photos are DQ'd on close calls like this and then the host leaves other similar ones in.

re the Neon's photo I understand your intentions and looking at the other photos which have been entered since, I would agree that "obvious" neon light sculptures are probably more fitting for the challenge.
Cheers
John
 
If we were in a perfect world........... but some Hosts are trying very hard and as I have before, without Hosts we wouldn't have any Challenges. :-)
John of Brisbane said:
Wow ..thanks ... that's service ... I didn't even intend that. I'm usually happy with the umpires call and intentions.

I just get upset when my photos are DQ'd on close calls like this and then the host leaves other similar ones in.

re the Neon's photo I understand your intentions and looking at the other photos which have been entered since, I would agree that "obvious" neon light sculptures are probably more fitting for the challenge.
Cheers
John
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Here's what I've determined.
  1. Language issue: There are many people entering challenges for whom English is not their first language. In some cases, even if people are fluent in English, they may not understand some idiomatic phrases or words. What is easily understood slang in Australia may not be so easily understood to someone from Argentina or India.
  2. Not bothering to read the description or complete rules: Yep, it happens a lot.
  3. Unclear rules: I think every host has run into this at times. I know I have. I thought I made things clear but upon seeing entries realized I hadn't. Or, some just plain contradictory rules (such as right now, a monochrome challenge still shows "full color only" in the heading.)
These 3 reasons can be chalked up to simple mistakes or laziness. However there are other reasons I've deduced which are simply bad attitudes on the part of the entrants.
  1. Reinterpreting the rules: I've regularly had people I've DQ'd tell me I was in the wrong because their interpretation of my theme or rules is the correct one. In some cases hosts have had to deal with themes based on clearly and commonly understood technical aspects of photography, only to have people insist their version of "High Key Lighting" is correct.
  2. "Punk" entries: Some people enter images which don't fit the theme/rules simply to make a statement. Or at least they think they are making a statement. Some do it to try to point out that a host may not bother reviewing entries. Others simply to be "funny".
  3. "I've got to win at any cost" entries: There are some people who will wait until just before a challenge closes to enter whatever photo they feel like entering (the assumption being they won't be DQ'd during voting phase). Presumably, they are so fixated on trying to win challenges they hope that they will still get votes, even for entering a photo of their cat in a "Reptiles" challenges (Never mind the guy a year or so ago who quipped that his cat was named "Lizard" LOL)
On the other hand there are on occasion people who think a photo should be DQ'd simply because their interpretation of the rules is narrower than the hosts (kind of the opposit of my point above).

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As mentioned, a good host will be willing to reconsider a DQ. A while back I reinstated several images in one of my challenges because I realized my rules were not as clear as I'd intended.

The rub are the hosts who excessively split hairs about their rules, as though their challenges are about satisfying their own egos rather than providing fun and interesting challenges for others.
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