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Who going to dump their MFT Oly or Panny for Sony NEX 5N?

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Yes, here i am needed to change to the Sony because it scores level with the Panasonic (both 79) ....only to face the expense of moving back next time a Panasonic scores 79!

Just like the old Nikon and Canon days! In fact I should move to the 645 I borrow because not only is the IQ better than any of the above, but by not swapping systems all the time it becomes less expensive!

Oh...wait......didnt i decide not to move earlier because although the camera finally manages to match the GH2.....the lenses do not?
 
I'm pleased enough with what comes out of µ4/3 and what can be done with it, even though like anyone various improvements would be welcome.

There's nothing out there yet that is compelling enough to sell this format to adopt another. If shooting for pay, or wanting real fine art type resolution for very large prints I'd go back to a FF DSLR. Anything in between is not going to change what I produce, nor the experience of producing it.

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Not switching. M4/3rds is ideal compromise of image quality and portability. The Sony may have the image quality of a DSLR but the lenses are not of the same standard and are generally much bigger than M4/3rds equivalents. For me, the smaller body size relative to a DSLR does not compensate for the lack of effective continuous AF for fast action - so in this repect the Sony is no better than what M4/3rds can offer. For similar money to the 5N you could get the Nikon D5100 or used Nikon D7000 with the same sensor and better AF performance.
 
jeffharris said:
... All I'd need do is buy a few NEX to Nikon/Pentax M43/Leica M mount lens adaptors. ... The NEX will not accept my favorite (and most expensive) M4/3 lenses, the 7-14mm and Voigtländer Nokton 25mm, without some vignetting or other performance degradation.
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Jeff, not to worry.

I just happen to have a bag of magic beans NEX adaptors I'll trade you for those icky m43 lenses.
You and Framerate will be shooting cheek by jowl with your NEXs in no time!
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Arn said:
I'm frankly surprised about the good rating in the site's review.
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The dpreview.com review of the Nex 5N is really a joke. It's pretty much a dpreview shill job for Sony.

While the 5N is great piece of technology the review makes no little or no mention of:

1. Lack of lenses in general for the system
2. Lack of quality pancake lens
3. Lack of decent hot shoe flash
4. Lack of controls on the camera

The review makes a half-assed attempt to pass off the custom-ability of the two buttons on the Nex as allowing the degree of control that cameras in that price range should allow.
 
The NEX5N is a great camera but the issue is still lenses for me.

I will probably get a NEX-7 with some E-Mount lenses but I'm keeping my E-P3 too. The E-P3 does great OOC JPEG, the files aren't huge for panorama stitching and the lenses are tiny and awesome, especially the primes. If the NEX really blows me away, who knows? It's just camera equipment...
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I can't understand people who buy cameras based on specifications only and then try to fit the camera to thier style of shooting.

It is so obvious to me that you first do a survey of what you shoot and what you want to shoot and then find the system that is the best match.

If you go on specifications only we would all own Canon full frame dSLRs with $20,000.00 worth of L glass; and most of us would never leave the house with it.

Why are people so enamored with specifications they will never use?

The reality is that high ISO capability is for the most part useless. The vast majority of shots are taken at ISO 1600 and below. I can't imagine anyone purposely shooting at ISO 3200 when ISO 800 will sufice.

What people should be looking at is first, base ISO performance, and then performance up to about ISO 1600. At these ISOs the humble E-pl1 is still king of the hill and beats any NEX JPEG outpt at the same ISOs.

All u 4/3 needs is a little better ISO 3200 and a little better dynamic range-that is it.

Then there will be no point to NEX at all.

Maximus Decimus Tedolphus
 
Looks like a great sensor, much better than the old 12MP sensor in the Olympus and GF cameras. Not as big a difference compared to the G3/GH2 but still improved shadow noise at high ISO to be sure.

But still no lenses. They'll get there eventually I'm sure, but for me it is still a useless system at the moment. For someone shooting adapted MF lenses I think the 5N has a lot going for it with the excellent sensor and more favorable crop factor for adapted lenses.
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Len_Gee said:
Hello,

Sorry, my English is not so good but,

Look like the new Sony NEX 5N blow away all Oly and Panny MFT cameras.

So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.

If not, why you not?

I shoot both Panny GF-1 and G2. But now, they are old technology and not as good high ISO as new Sony NEX 5N.
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. . . I want see what happens with lens selections and sensor improvements before going to the bother of changing systems. I'm still hopeful that Olympus can offer me the NEX-7 style full featured compact body that I want along with IBIS and Oly colors & metering. I'm also hoping that the m4/3 lens lineup will continue expanding to someday include some fast tele primes like my 200/2.8L that has served me so well with my 5D2. When there's a 100-150 fast prime at f/2.8 or faster for m4/3, I'll be locked in for good and then sell off the DSLR & lenses.
 
tedolf said:
What people should be looking at is first, base ISO performance, and then performance up to about ISO 1600. At these ISOs the humble E-pl1 is still king of the hill and beats any NEX JPEG outpt at the same ISOs.
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That's quite a statement.

Is that you own personal findings or do you have a reliable source?

I only had an E-PL1 for about 5 minutes and returned it for an E-P2 but I will say that at ISO 1600 both cameras were either producing a lot of noise or bluring the details with heavy in camera noise reduction.

Maybe you think the E-PL1 is "king of the hill" because you're not familiar with other cameras/sensors.

I love the Pens and think they're great cameras as long as you keep the ISO as low as possible but that Panasonic sensor is nothing to brag about.

Olympus makes the best of things with their in camera JPEG engine but I think King of the hill is really blowing things out of proportion.
 
Nell27 said:
Nell27 said:
What people should be looking at is first, base ISO performance, and then performance up to about ISO 1600. At these ISOs the humble E-pl1 is still king of the hill and beats any NEX JPEG outpt at the same ISOs.
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That's quite a statement.

Is that you own personal findings or do you have a reliable source?
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Rack up the DPR Comparometer with the relevant models and have a look:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusep3/page22.asp
Nell27 said:
I only had an E-PL1 for about 5 minutes and returned it for an E-P2 but I will say that at ISO 1600 both cameras were either producing a lot of noise or bluring the details with heavy in camera noise reduction.
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From the above test shots, I'd say that applies much more to the NEX models than the PENs, especially the E-PL1. Pop the target box on the old woman's face above Mickey Mouse and look at the smeared details.
Nell27 said:
Maybe you think the E-PL1 is "king of the hill" because you're not familiar with other cameras/sensors.

I love the Pens and think they're great cameras as long as you keep the ISO as low as possible but that Panasonic sensor is nothing to brag about.

Olympus makes the best of things with their in camera JPEG engine but I think King of the hill is really blowing things out of proportion.
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A more important point is that any of these cameras can deliver beautiful images, or dreadful ones. Also, much can be done with in-camera adjustments, not to mention in post, so test shots at default settings aren't the end of the story. No need to get in a tizzie about any of this, IMO.
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tedolf said:
I can't understand people who buy cameras based on specifications only and then try to fit the camera to thier style of shooting.
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I can't understand one that can't step outside their own experience.

There's enough that shop differently than I do that I make it a point to TRY to understand , and guide them from my POV. It usually plays better than just speaking down to such queries. But it can take a little effort, like anything worth while pursuing.

Just saying. . . . ;)

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453C said:
jeffharris said:
... All I'd need do is buy a few NEX to Nikon/Pentax M43/Leica M mount lens adaptors. ... The NEX will not accept my favorite (and most expensive) M4/3 lenses, the 7-14mm and Voigtländer Nokton 25mm, without some vignetting or other performance degradation.
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Jeff, not to worry.

I just happen to have a bag of magic beans NEX adaptors I'll trade you for those icky m43 lenses.
You and Framerate will be shooting cheek by jowl with your NEXs in no time!
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Holy Schite, don't lump me in with Framerate! Next it'll be photoperzon and tedolph. Crikey! ;-)

As a confirmed gearhead, wirehead and all-around tinkerer, it's great that there are so many options and possibilities with camera systems, bodies and lenses. As far as NEX is concerned, I'm just speculating. If I do buy a second body, it would probably be an EPL3, which I am equally enthusiastic about.

I have a few manual Nikon and Pentax SMC Takumar lenses and it's nice to think that I could use them with a different system if I want.

Anyway, before I got into M4/3, I did take a hard look at the NEX-5. The bigger sensor, focus peaking and TiltyScreen are very compelling features. However, the built-in EVF, actual physical controls and functioning ergonomics of the GH2 and the pretty wide selection of native M4/3 lenses that I actually WANT, BUY and USE, pushed me firmly into the M4/3 camp. The 7-14mm, 20mm and Voigtländer 25mm were the kickers for me.

As far as Sony goes, 3 lenses do NOT a system make. Being forced to use ONLY adapted lenses doesn't make sense (or a system) either. As an OPTION and for fun, it's grrreat, but not as the default!
 
Let´s see how the different systems evolve. Even Canon might go mirrorless at some stage. For the time being I stick to my GF1 and wait for further improvements on the MFT side of things. E.g. a GF1 style body with a better sensor and an integrated EVF would be good arguments for remaining "loyal".
 
tedolf said:
I can't understand people who buy cameras based on specifications only and then try to fit the camera to thier style of shooting.

It is so obvious to me that you first do a survey of what you shoot and what you want to shoot and then find the system that is the best match.

If you go on specifications only we would all own Canon full frame dSLRs with $20,000.00 worth of L glass; and most of us would never leave the house with it.

Why are people so enamored with specifications they will never use?

The reality is that high ISO capability is for the most part useless. The vast majority of shots are taken at ISO 1600 and below. I can't imagine anyone purposely shooting at ISO 3200 when ISO 800 will sufice.

What people should be looking at is first, base ISO performance, and then performance up to about ISO 1600. At these ISOs the humble E-pl1 is still king of the hill and beats any NEX JPEG outpt at the same ISOs.

All u 4/3 needs is a little better ISO 3200 and a little better dynamic range-that is it.

Then there will be no point to NEX at all.
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I'll let other bat the E-PL1 v. NEX stuff around, but I feel you made a very solid point. When I see people asking for a list of "the best three lenses" or "the best m43 body", I cringe because there's rarely much discussion on what they want to do with that gear. It's picking a solution then looking for an answer, which is a very strange way to spend your money, and an even stranger way to go about selecting camera gear.
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Bob Tullis said:
tedolf said:
I can't understand people who buy cameras based on specifications only and then try to fit the camera to thier style of shooting.
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I can't understand one that can't step outside their own experience.

There's enough that shop differently than I do that I make it a point to TRY to understand , and guide them from my POV. It usually plays better than just speaking down to such queries. But it can take a little effort, like anything worth while pursuing.

Just saying. . . . ;)
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Well, then there's that.

Still, I get Tedolph's point, even if it's shaped more like a spear than might be needed. ;)
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the MFT system is more complete and the lenses smaller and brighter
It's the best albeit compromised system for me
I may add a used Nex to the arsenal just for fun

I do like the sensor on it and the pano feature but the lenses kind of let the system down me think
Cheers,
 
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