Pentax - time to change.

Pentax needs to find a place for you in their vionary department. These lenses would all be great and would get me back into buying new lenses.
Here a wish list of a few lenses Pentax might need to add to its line up to improve its offering (IMHO):

Pro zooms:
  • DA* 11-18mm F/2.8 (16-28mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA* 18-50mm F/2.8 (28-75mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.) — call it a DA* 16-50mm F/2.8 II
The 16-50mm F/2.8 SDM lens could use improvement, in the form of a lens with more sharpness, less distortion, less light falloff and less CAs in the corners... making the lens less wide could help!
I would also add a DA*135-300 F4.0
Fast primes:
  • DA 10mm F/2.8 (15mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 18mm F/2 (28mm F/2.8 in 35mm equiv.)
Need a DA24/F2 (35mm F2.8 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 35mm F/1.4 (50mm F/2 in 35mm equiv.) — FA 31mm F/1.8 just too expensive for many, DA 35mm F/2.4 not good enough for shallow DOF work
  • DA 90mm F/1.4 (135mm F/2.8 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 135mm F/2 (200mm F/2.8 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 400mm+ F/4 (600mm+ F/5.6 in 35mm equiv.)
Teleconverters:
  • DFA 1.4x TC
  • DFA 2x TC
Dream on:
  • DFA 35mm F/2.8 Tilt-Shift (50mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.)
And regarding the flash system:
  • 1/250th flash sync.
  • Improved P-TTL metering
  • At least one model with weather sealing
  • Set of accessories (diffusers, colored gels, etc.)
Built-in radio control.
Yup, that's one thing I forgot to put down in this post, even though I've been dreaming about it for long time... Enough with the IR wireless! Radio wireless TTL is not that complex to put in a camera, and the PocketWizard Canikon TTL wireless transmitters are proof... (I even have an Elinchrom Ranger Quadra kit with built-in radio wireless trigger! No TTL, but over 60m of range out in the open.)
Now it's not like all this needs to happen at once, or that each one of the lenses listed above is needed (the DA* 11-16mm F/2.8 SDM could be replaced by a DA* 10mm F/2.8, or vice-versa), but there's a gap in the Pentax lens line up right now, and it's in the form of both fast primes and supertelephoto lenses. The 400mm F/4 and the 11-16mm F/2.8 or 10mm F/2.8 are a priority, as far as I am concerned).
I totally agree with you. These gaps are making me think about jumping ship.

Dave
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I thought I had wasted my time reading the juvenile drivel on this thread and up pops this reply....
Sure, go ahead with the flaming right from the start, fanboy.
As one respondent put it...Pentax could produce everything on people's wish list but still the wishers won't buy the gear, criticising cost and quality, using this as a poor excuse to jump systems...
Agreed, there are a lot of people who just wish for gear and never buy. But not all people are like that. Some use their photo gear to make a living, and their concerns can be based on more than just poor excuses.

I jumped ships because of the lack of certain lenses (weatherproof ultrawide, to name one), issues with low light performance and other functionalities in the Pentax line up (i.e. sub-par flash system, poor AF-C performance, lower image quality at high ISO, lack of tethering solution, etc.)

Unfortunately, unexpected emergency expenses forced me to sell my Nikon gear. Fortunately, I hadn't sold my Pentax gear yet, so I'm sticking to my Pentax gear for now (2 bodies and 7 lenses). However, once I'm back on tracks economically speaking, I'll go back to the D700 (or its successor) and Nikkor lenses.
then this...tells me a lot....when you stick an 18-50 f2.8 lens on a camera body it remains an 18-50 f2.8 regardless of which body you stick it on.. Do my DA* lenses become F4 or F5.6 when I stick it on my K20D? last time I looked?, no they don't
Sure, the aperture remains F/2.8 — that was not my point.

But the DOF of a F/2.8 lens on an APS-C sensor is roughly equal to that of a F/4 aperture on a full frame sensor with an equivalent focal length, hence the 18-50mm F/2.8 equals a 28-75mm F/4... Just try with a DOF calculator and you'll see. It's not exactly a one stop difference, but it's close.

So to really get, let's say the equivalent of a 135mm F/2.8 lens on a full frame, you need (roughly) a 90mm F/2 lens on APS-C, in order to match both the subject size ratio and the DOF.
The lens choice/quality argument only becomes relevant when you have £5000 and upwards to burn, which most of us haven't. I've blow a load more on my D3 plus lenses but I still pick up my pentax (and mamiya) kit on a regular basis....If you're in the market for a 7D or D300s, say the lens choice isn't that much wider than if you have a Pentax so why the widely fantastical demands for lenses?
Well, no need to have 5000 pounds to buy one or two of the lenses I mentioned. 1500-2500 would be enough (except maybe for the super telephoto of course).

And you say that when looking at the D300s and 7D, there isn't much more choice for lenses?

What about a 10-22mm (or 10-24mm)? Pentax has none. What about a 70-200mm F/2.8? Pentax has none... What about a 300mm F/2.8? Or a 45mm F/2.8 Tilt-Shift? Granted some of Canon and Nikon lenses are specialized (T/S, especially) and probably wouldn't sell much among Pentax users. But what about some 85mm F/1.4 or F/1.8? (And don't talk me into a 77mm F/1.8: it's twice as expensive as a Canikon 85mm F/1.8..)

Because even if all a sudden twenty more lenses were available, that doesn't mean someone would buy them all. But maybe one or two of these new lenses could be interesting to that someone, making the system more appealing altogether.

More choice means more flexibility for the buyer/user, and the lack of certain products in the Pentax line up has already made a few Pentax users jump ships. In the last two years, most efforts at Pentax has been put into niche products (645D, Q), rather than in broadening the actual APS-C offer, a big mistake I believe. It's time for Pentax to crank up the offer and close the gap in the telephoto and fast prime lenses.
This has wasted my time!
Then why did you spent time replying to this? To waste even more time? Or are you just a fanboy angry because I dare to say Pentax has to improve on a few things? I mean, Canon and Nikon also have to improve on a few things and I dare to say it as well.
Here a wish list of a few lenses Pentax might need to add to its line up to improve its offering (IMHO):

Pro zooms:
  • DA* 11-18mm F/2.8 (16-28mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA* 18-50mm F/2.8 (28-75mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.) — call it a DA* 16-50mm F/2.8 II
The 16-50mm F/2.8 SDM lens could use improvement, in the form of a lens with more sharpness, less distortion, less light falloff and less CAs in the corners... making the lens less wide could help!

Fast primes:
  • DA 10mm F/2.8 (15mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 18mm F/2 (28mm F/2.8 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 35mm F/1.4 (50mm F/2 in 35mm equiv.) — FA 31mm F/1.8 just too expensive for many, DA 35mm F/2.4 not good enough for shallow DOF work
  • DA 90mm F/2 (135mm F/2.8 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 135mm F/2 (200mm F/2.8 in 35mm equiv.)
  • DA 400mm+ F/4 (600mm+ F/5.6 in 35mm equiv.)
Teleconverters:
  • DFA 1.4x TC
  • DFA 2x TC
Dream on:
  • DFA 35mm F/2.8 Tilt-Shift (50mm F/4 in 35mm equiv.)
 
Classic troll. Notice the OP has not joined the 'discussion' he started. Probably sitting back and enjoying his handiwork. ;-)

Back on topic. I'll be investing in Pentax again next month with the purchase of my K5.

Can hardly wait. :-)

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Rick Stirling
 
Hello
Well - didn't that rock some peoples boat!
I've been a little busy, but just loved the interest my post has generated!

It's interesting to think that of the 12000 actuation's I've put through my K200, that my departure from the brand, if i depart, can be taken lightly, certainly not by me!

I see many are frustrated by the lack of decent lenses available. As ASP-C bodies go, Pentax are great. So why does a company make such nice bodies and do not compliment them with lens choices. Some need to pull their heads out of the bucket and have a look at the choices available to other brands.
 
I've just read my previous reply, and I might have been a bit rough with my comments. If you feel it's the case, please accept my apologies.

The "tone" used in your reply (i.e. suggesting my post was "juvenile", among other things) sure didn't help, but I should know better that it's no reason to reply with terms like "fanboy" (and the like) either.

:|

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If photography can be considered like painting, then I'm still at the preschool "paint with your fingers" level.
 
What kind of information that you have available about what ricoh going to do with Pentax?
No, no, no; it's not what I "have available" - I'm talking about publicly available information. Ricoh's own official statements, what's publicly known about Ricoh and Pentax and some common sense - absolutely required to connect the dots.
So based on Ricoh official statement and what publicly known about ricoh and pentax and some common sense make you believe that pentax will be 100% success under ricoh?
100% success? I never said that. You're trying hard to build a strawman... but it won't work.
Your previous posts completely lacks common sense.
Why? Because i am being cautious about pentax future under ricoh?
"Cautious"? No, because you said stuff like "Maybe Ricoh only want the sports optic division and going to sell the camera division when they have the chance". Yeah, and maybe Canon will give up on cameras and start baking cookies instead.

Alex S.
 
What kind of information that you have available about what ricoh going to do with Pentax?
No, no, no; it's not what I "have available" - I'm talking about publicly available information. Ricoh's own official statements, what's publicly known about Ricoh and Pentax and some common sense - absolutely required to connect the dots.
So based on Ricoh official statement and what publicly known about ricoh and pentax and some common sense make you believe that pentax will be 100% success under ricoh?
100% success? I never said that. You're trying hard to build a strawman... but it won't work.
Yes you never said 100% success but when you said "connect the dots" I understand it as the same as saying "100% success", I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
Your previous posts completely lacks common sense.
Why? Because i am being cautious about pentax future under ricoh?
"Cautious"? No, because you said stuff like "Maybe Ricoh only want the sports optic division and going to sell the camera division when they have the chance". Yeah, and maybe Canon will give up on cameras and start baking cookies instead.
Well, I said maybe because I am being cautious, and maybe is a not an absolute certainty. Anyway, anybody can speculate in this forum no matter how silly the speculation might be and it may be a joke or humor or just being sarcastic, and you have the right to say that maybe canon will start a bakery, even though it is silly. But talking about possibility, it is more possible, no matter how small the possibility is that ricoh only want the sport optic divison rather than canon start baking cookies :)
 
I jumped ships because of the lack of certain lenses (weatherproof ultrawide, to name one), issues with low light performance and other functionalities in the Pentax line up (i.e. sub-par flash system, poor AF-C performance, lower image quality at high ISO, lack of tethering solution, etc.)
I keep reading about the "sub-par flash system" and other flash issues, but I've yet to really encounter any -- at least NOT with a dedicated external flash. I used the pop-up flash on my K-5 only once, for a few shots at my Men's Garden Club meeting, and had some good shots, some AHEM. By the next meeting, I'd gotten a dedicated flash, but after thoroughly investigating the 360 (just a little -- too weak to begin with) and the 540, is it?, neither had as many features as the dedicated Pentax flash I bought for my PZ1 back in the 90s, so I looked a bit deeper and discovered that the German company Metz makes a dedicated flash for ALL the big brands -- SAME exact flash for all -- only difference is mounts and lettering to tell what brand it's for. I paid about $30 LESS for a more powerful flash than the 540 in the Mecablitz 58 AF2, and so far its P-TTL and even HS-TTL has worked FLAWLESSLY for me, so I don't know what the "issues" are. Perhaps they are more related to the PENTAX FLASHES?

It took a little "internal convincing" to go off-brand for a dedicated flash, but the Metz had RAVE REVIEWS pretty much across the board.

As to the other issues, I AM a bit dismayed to see the limited number of lenses available, at present, but I still think it's enough, for the most part, to suit most folks. I feel the few glaring omissions are such as a 70-200 F2.8 but, again, there ARE quality substitutes. Missing highMM lenses are also an issue. But again, Sigma is there for that (they have a $26,000 200-500mm f/2.8 APO EX DG zoom for Nikon, too -- olive GREEN -- so I'm sure Pentax isn't alone!)

My point is... you can always find things to complain about, or things to be happy about. It's YOUR CHOICE which you do. Personally, I'm ALL KINDSA MAD there's no 50-50,000 mm F1.4 autofocus lens available for under $1,000 ;) Maybe I'll just have to get over it, huh?
Jeff Hayes

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May the Blessings Be.
 
OK, I "took the bait" from a couple of you (tigrebleu, etc.) and did the same thing with Nikon I've been doing with Pentax for like 6 weeks, now (Yeah, I've actually had Pentax's home page LOADED for about that long -- mostly the lens page.

I didn't bother with Canon, because, well, I figured my results would be similar. But I wanted to see what "all the fuss" was about with Nikon, and the page is still up. Yeah, they have A LOT more lenses. I haven't counted, but if I had to guess, I'd say (not counting "Q" lenses) maybe 3 times as many... Then again, I'm NOT exactly sure what the benefit is of having 3 different 50mm F1.4 lenses, as just ONE example (there were NUMEROUS instances of two or more lenses with the SAME mm AND F-stop, but a "D" or a "G" designation. I don't know what those designations mean. In the case of the 50s, there was even more).

I also agree there are FAR more "fast" lenses -- especiallly in the lower mm side of things (35 mm and below -- both prime and zoom), but Pentax ALSO has a 10-17 fisheye zoom, a 12-24 F4 and a 14 F2.8, and I didn't see ANYTHING in the Nikkor line BELOW 10mm -- NADA!

As for the HIGH end, YEAH, they have both a 70-200 and an 80-200 F2.8, but other than that, their high-mm zoom lenses are an 80-400 4.5-5.6 that's $300 more than the Sigma 120-400, and a 200-400 F4 that's $7,500! Or, you could pay $9,000 (reduced from more than $10,000!!!) for their F2.8 400, $8,400 for their F4 500, or $10,300 for their F4 600!

I mean, LET'S GET REAL here, folks (and yeah, I KNOW, Tigrebleu, there ARE some really NICE zoom and prime lenses in between 35 and 100 mm, or so). But for the MOST PART, the lenses that MOST OF US would like to have are just ASTRONOMICAL in price on the Nikkor line. Only the rich, the REAL pros (Nat. Geo, Time, AP, Sports Illustrated, etc.) can even CONSIDER owning those lenses. I'll likely NEVER seriously look at a lens more than $2,000, and even a price THAT high scares THE beJESUS out of me!

With the quality and dedication put in by aftermarket companies like Sigma, Tamron, Metz -- and even no-names such as Neewer for some accessories that have worked FINE for me -- chargers, batteries, sync cords, etc. -- MOST of us need to look at this as a MUCH broader picture that DOES include such companies. What we REALLY need to consider are...

1. IS Pentax imaging going to survive and be maintained as a viable camera company for its many longtime and new customers by its new owners? (We have NO way of knowing, and only time will tell, but I certainly hope so.)

2. Cost/benefit analysis, which has LONG been a consideration for many Pentax owners. As I was essentially "out of the SLR game" for close to 15 years, I don't know a lot of what has transpired. It appears, from some comments I've read, that Pentax raised some prices rather out of context to its competitors. But it also appears it's still a better deal, overall.

3. WILL the aftermarket companies continue to SUPPORT Pentax with lenses and other accessories? Thus far, I see NO reason to doubt they will. With RARE exceptions on discontinued lenses, I've found Pentax mounts for EVERY LENS for which I've searched, so far, that's also available in Nikon and Canon mounts.

I have no idea where Pentax "stacks up" behind "the big two" these days. At one point, I believe Pentax was No. 3. But as big as Sony is it may be there today. And Sigma is making its own cameras (or at least branding them), along with others. But I'm pretty sure Pentax is still in the top 4 or 5.

Twenty-five years ago I was warned not to EVER buy a Sigma or a Tamron or Tokina, etc., lens. Well, these days I may just have to in order to get what I want and need. But I'm willing to deal with that... especially to use the best darned DSLR on the market!
Jeff
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May the Blessings Be.
 
What kind of information that you have available about what ricoh going to do with Pentax?
No, no, no; it's not what I "have available" - I'm talking about publicly available information. Ricoh's own official statements, what's publicly known about Ricoh and Pentax and some common sense - absolutely required to connect the dots.
So based on Ricoh official statement and what publicly known about ricoh and pentax and some common sense make you believe that pentax will be 100% success under ricoh?
100% success? I never said that. You're trying hard to build a strawman... but it won't work.
Yes you never said 100% success but when you said "connect the dots" I understand it as the same as saying "100% success", I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
That's a huge leap. Are you thinking in binary, by any chance?
What can one find out by connecting the dots? For example:
  • that Ricoh is indeed interested in Pentax K and 645D (as they have said)
  • they will continue the business and more than likely expand it (as they have said)
  • for a while (at least) they will continue on what Pentax/Hoya started (no dramatic change from day one)
What we can't possibly know?
  • the specifications of future products. Nope, they will keep them secret as everyone else does.
  • market share or revenue figures for several years in the future
Your previous posts completely lacks common sense.
Why? Because i am being cautious about pentax future under ricoh?
"Cautious"? No, because you said stuff like "Maybe Ricoh only want the sports optic division and going to sell the camera division when they have the chance". Yeah, and maybe Canon will give up on cameras and start baking cookies instead.
Well, I said maybe because I am being cautious, and maybe is a not an absolute certainty. Anyway, anybody can speculate in this forum no matter how silly the speculation might be and it may be a joke or humor or just being sarcastic, and you have the right to say that maybe canon will start a bakery, even though it is silly.
Then expect people to laugh at you. Which is good if you're joking, but otherwise...
But talking about possibility, it is more possible, no matter how small the possibility is that ricoh only want the sport optic divison rather than canon start baking cookies :)
No, the two are equally "probable".
 
This really shows the ugliness of some Pentaxians here. Why does the OP need to be savaged when he/she announced departure? May be the OP was hoping that people can offer some help? Some one even asked sho asked the OP to post! In the same token, OP may ask who asked this respondent who asked the respondent to respond.
You have asked the wrong question. The question is why did the OP feel the need to join dpreview just to make a post about changing from Pentax to another brand? Is he so narcissistic to suppose that people would actually want to know? If he was hoping someone would offer help, why didn't he ask for help?
I must say that I actually contempleted jumping ship but after reading some of the constructive responses, I have since abandoned the thought.
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KNL
If you want to "jump ship" you should feel free to do so. You can change to a different brand for any reason, or no reason at all. What you don't have to do (even though you are free to do so) is tell the world you've made a change. Nobody but you cares what camera you take photos with, and that's the way it should be.
 
Hello
Well - didn't that rock some peoples boat!
I've been a little busy, but just loved the interest my post has generated!

It's interesting to think that of the 12000 actuation's I've put through my K200, that my departure from the brand, if i depart, can be taken lightly, certainly not by me!

I see many are frustrated by the lack of decent lenses available. As ASP-C bodies go, Pentax are great. So why does a company make such nice bodies and do not compliment them with lens choices. Some need to pull their heads out of the bucket and have a look at the choices available to other brands.
How many lens choices do you need? You can only use one at a time. My kit consists of the DA 40 ltd (fantastic lens) DA 70 ltd (fantastic lens) and the DA 18-135 (fantastic lens). Certainly your needs may differ, but really, how many lenses do you need to cover the range you shoot at? I work at a magazine publishing company. Our director of photography (a Canon shooter) has a two lens kit. It's all he needs. All the choices Canon offers makes no difference to him, because he has what he needs to get the job done.
 
I have found this topic interesting and at times entertaining.

If the OP wants to change, fair enough, its a free world, they can do anything they like.

I'll keep an eye out on fleebay for the K200d, having owned one in the past, its a great camera, perhaps it has one of the best sensors for landscape/outdoor photography.

But I wanted to share some insights I have gained over 3 years of shooting, and my recent experiences with a camera club in my city.

I have spent the last 6 weeks with a group of 'average' people as they complete a photography course with the camera club. As usual most are Canon/Nikon owners.

So having once considered switching to Canon, I have looked at/held/and used most of the cameras they offer including FF.

Would I switch? No. Have I felt I have missed out on a shot because of my gear and Pentax's limited lens collection? No.

Photography is not about the gear we have, or what brand we use. The professional photographers mention this all the time. Photography is about capturing the moment, telling a story, using composition, light, etc....

Some of those owning FF Nikons and Canons barely know how to turn them on. If that wasn't bad enough, they don't have any intentions of owning lots of lenses. They have a couple of general zooms (as most people have).

Am I happy with the lens collection available to me? Yes and no. Yes I have everything I think an above average photographer either wants or needs.

Can I do sport? Yes. There is the Sigma/Tamron 70-200 2.8, or the Pentax DA*300 or 60-250. Want longer, get the Sigma 50-500, or one of Sigma's other long zoom telephoto lenses.

Want weather proofed wide/portrait, or portrait/med-tele, get the Pentax 16-50 or 50-135. Sigma also have the 50-150.
If you want primes from 14 to 100 there are some amazing lenses.
Want cheap zooms no problem. Cheap weather resistant zooms, no problem.
Macro, the exceptional DFA100 WR or the Sigma/Tamron offerings.

Wide angle, Pentax 10-17, 16-45, 16-50, 17-70, 15 and 20. (Plus Tamron/Sigma offerings).

What more could you want. Flashes, get a Metz (even though they are rarely used these days due to the exceptional sensors in the KX/KR and K5).

I can honestly say, shooting side by side Canon/Nikon shooters, whether it has been at sporting events, indoors or portrait photography, my gear has not been inferior. If anything, due to its compact and light nature, and with the K5, it has surpassed other brands.

People always mention Pentax's deficiencies, no telephoto lenses, no new flashes, no FF camera, poor AF for fast moving objects.

Well just look at the prices for Canon/Nikon > 300mm lenses. There is no way an average person can afford to buy them. Flash, most people just use the pop-up flash. FF camera? The weight would discourage me from using them.

As concerns the AF, I have been to many motor racing events such as (F1, stock car racing, motor bike racing), tennis, world surfing events, world cycle events, soccer, and local Australian rules football, with my K7 and have taken some very good shots.

Having compared my shots with some Canon 7d shooters, I can say Pentax gear is more than adequate.

Having recently upgraded to the K5, I have already noticed a tremendous improvement. Have tried it with some BIF's and a slow Tokina 80-400 and I was impressed.

The argument about Pentax's future is irrelevant. If Pentax ceases to exist, does that mean your equipment will stop working? Of course not. Does it mean you won't be able to have it serviced? There will always be people who can service your equipment.

Unless you have a sizeable investment (1-2 bodies, 5+ lenses), you will always be able to sell your gear, and recover most of your initial cost.

So, if someone wants to change brands thats fine, but don't do it because you think your gear is inferior. For most of us, our gear is far superior to our own skill level.

Cheers.
 
I have found this topic interesting and at times entertaining.

If the OP wants to change, fair enough, its a free world, they can do anything they like.

I'll keep an eye out on fleebay for the K200d, having owned one in the past, its a great camera, perhaps it has one of the best sensors for landscape/outdoor photography.

But I wanted to share some insights I have gained over 3 years of shooting, and my recent experiences with a camera club in my city.

I have spent the last 6 weeks with a group of 'average' people as they complete a photography course with the camera club. As usual most are Canon/Nikon owners.

So having once considered switching to Canon, I have looked at/held/and used most of the cameras they offer including FF.

Would I switch? No. Have I felt I have missed out on a shot because of my gear and Pentax's limited lens collection? No.

Photography is not about the gear we have, or what brand we use. The professional photographers mention this all the time. Photography is about capturing the moment, telling a story, using composition, light, etc....

Some of those owning FF Nikons and Canons barely know how to turn them on. If that wasn't bad enough, they don't have any intentions of owning lots of lenses. They have a couple of general zooms (as most people have).

Am I happy with the lens collection available to me? Yes and no. Yes I have everything I think an above average photographer either wants or needs.

Can I do sport? Yes. There is the Sigma/Tamron 70-200 2.8, or the Pentax DA*300 or 60-250. Want longer, get the Sigma 50-500, or one of Sigma's other long zoom telephoto lenses.

Want weather proofed wide/portrait, or portrait/med-tele, get the Pentax 16-50 or 50-135. Sigma also have the 50-150.
If you want primes from 14 to 100 there are some amazing lenses.
Want cheap zooms no problem. Cheap weather resistant zooms, no problem.
Macro, the exceptional DFA100 WR or the Sigma/Tamron offerings.

Wide angle, Pentax 10-17, 16-45, 16-50, 17-70, 15 and 20. (Plus Tamron/Sigma offerings).

What more could you want. Flashes, get a Metz (even though they are rarely used these days due to the exceptional sensors in the KX/KR and K5).

I can honestly say, shooting side by side Canon/Nikon shooters, whether it has been at sporting events, indoors or portrait photography, my gear has not been inferior. If anything, due to its compact and light nature, and with the K5, it has surpassed other brands.

People always mention Pentax's deficiencies, no telephoto lenses, no new flashes, no FF camera, poor AF for fast moving objects.

Well just look at the prices for Canon/Nikon > 300mm lenses. There is no way an average person can afford to buy them. Flash, most people just use the pop-up flash. FF camera? The weight would discourage me from using them.

As concerns the AF, I have been to many motor racing events such as (F1, stock car racing, motor bike racing), tennis, world surfing events, world cycle events, soccer, and local Australian rules football, with my K7 and have taken some very good shots.

Having compared my shots with some Canon 7d shooters, I can say Pentax gear is more than adequate.

Having recently upgraded to the K5, I have already noticed a tremendous improvement. Have tried it with some BIF's and a slow Tokina 80-400 and I was impressed.

The argument about Pentax's future is irrelevant. If Pentax ceases to exist, does that mean your equipment will stop working? Of course not. Does it mean you won't be able to have it serviced? There will always be people who can service your equipment.

Unless you have a sizeable investment (1-2 bodies, 5+ lenses), you will always be able to sell your gear, and recover most of your initial cost.

So, if someone wants to change brands thats fine, but don't do it because you think your gear is inferior. For most of us, our gear is far superior to our own skill level.

Cheers.
+1 on EVERYTHING you just said, Ozzie (and I think I've posted enough that everyone knows I've only been back to SLR for 6 weeks -- DSLR for 6 weeks -- but I've been SHOOTING for 25 years, and I know what I'm doing, and know QUALITY)!

One question... When you were talking about WR lenses, you mentioned the Sigma 120-400 in that sentence, but you had some other characteristics in the sentence, as well. IS that Sigma WR? That would be a MAJOR selling point for me, and it's on my VERY short list for a long lens.
Jeff

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May the Blessings Be.
 
Hi Jeff

As far as I know, I don't believe any of the Sigma long telephoto zooms are weather proof/resistant. Its a shame.

For my Sigma 50-500 I just use a clear plastic bag with some elastic bands if its raining. This way I can still zoom if I need to. There are some aftermarket clear bags you can purchase from places like B&H Photo/Video.

I also have the Sigma 70-200, but rather than protect it with a bag, I would just replace it with my Pentax 50-200 WR.

The Pentax isn't a 2.8, but I'm usually outdoors, so its not a problem.

Sorry for any confusion.

Regards
 
NOW I'm sort of "on hold" about plunking down another big chunka change for the > DA* 60-250 until I get some "concensus" on IT, due largely to threads such as THIS ONE.
FWIW, I don't like zooms, but I like the 60-250 (other than it's so freaking big). I have one of the apparently rare ones that had an SDM failure, but I also bought one right after they were released.

One thing to note about internet forums is that they tend to attract people who are dissatisfied in one way or another. They bought something and they can't make it work, or they bought something and it doesn't work, or doesn't work the way they thought it should.

This is why it's so easy to think that the gear is junk. Most of the people posting are doing so because they have a complaint. Forums are very heavily weighted towards people who complain. People who are happy with what they have tend not to post complaints (though they may defend a brand against what they see as unfair criticism and get labeled as fanboys.

If you are concerned about the Ricoh purchase, I don't think that is necessary. Ricoh appears to be buying the camera division because they want it. I was more concerned with the Hoya take over because it was both relatively hostile, and because Hoya made no pretense about not wanting the camera division. They were very up front that they wanted medical imaging, and they were taking cameras because it came with the package.

That they turned the division around, and made it profitable is actually quite amazing given the history of the takeover. I would have been very unsurprised if Hoya had shut down the camera division right after the purchase of Pentax.
 
NOW I'm sort of "on hold" about plunking down another big chunka change for the > DA* 60-250 until I get some "concensus" on IT, due largely to threads such as THIS ONE.
FWIW, I don't like zooms, but I like the 60-250 (other than it's so freaking big). I have one of the apparently rare ones that had an SDM failure, but I also bought one right after they were released.

One thing to note about internet forums is that they tend to attract people who are dissatisfied in one way or another. They bought something and they can't make it work, or they bought something and it doesn't work, or doesn't work the way they thought it should.

This is why it's so easy to think that the gear is junk. Most of the people posting are doing so because they have a complaint. Forums are very heavily weighted towards people who complain. People who are happy with what they have tend not to post complaints (though they may defend a brand against what they see as unfair criticism and get labeled as fanboys.

If you are concerned about the Ricoh purchase, I don't think that is necessary. Ricoh appears to be buying the camera division because they want it. I was more concerned with the Hoya take over because it was both relatively hostile, and because Hoya made no pretense about not wanting the camera division. They were very up front that they wanted medical imaging, and they were taking cameras because it came with the package.

That they turned the division around, and made it profitable is actually quite amazing given the history of the takeover. I would have been very unsurprised if Hoya had shut down the camera division right after the purchase of Pentax.
Naw, Wheatfield, I'm not concerned about the Ricoh takeover. I just wasn't aware either that Hoya was a relatively new (and hostile-takevoer) owner, NOR that Ricoh was in the process of buying the company, when I made my purchases. And I'm also very well aware of the negative-posting biases. If you read my posts -- especially all but my very first ones here, you'll see I've tried to be a "voice of reason," and while NOT a "fanboy," a defender of Pentax, and particularly the K-5. I DON'T/CAN'T defend what I see as an unnecessarily dwindled lens line, BUT, as I've stated elsewhere, I think it's still more than enough -- especially with fine aftermarket lenses, to suit most any shooter (and there are older F and FA lenses still available that can fill some gaps -- I have a 17-year-old FA 135 F2.8 I'm using with my K-5 with just as stellar results as I ever got with my PZ1).

I HAVE decided to take my time on a really BIG lens for the time being, though, and just get the 55-300 for now, and see what I can do with that.
Jeff

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I DON'T/CAN'T defend what I see as an unnecessarily dwindled lens line, BUT, as I've stated elsewhere, I think it's still more than enough -- especially with fine aftermarket lenses, to suit most any shooter (and there are older F and FA lenses still available that can fill some gaps -- I have a 17-year-old FA 135 F2.8 I'm using with my K-5 with just as stellar results as I ever got with my PZ1).
The dwindled lens line has, I suspect, as much to do with Hoya not wanting to put more into Pentax than they had to. They've been concentrating really hard on lenses that will sell in quantity, such as short zooms, but nothing in the mid tele range and nothing in the really long tele range.

The specialty glass is pretty much non existent, though what little there is is certainly excellent.

I'm pretty sure the only reason the 645 saw the light of day was because it was both mostly done when Hoya made the purchase and because it added a heck of a lot of cachet value to the brand. To me, it looks like Hoya's strategy was to make the brand profitable enough to be desirable for a potential purchaser, and to give the brand enough bling to attract some attention to the brand.

That they attracted Ricoh's eye is a big win as far as I am concerned, and I expect that we'll start to see some of those holes in the lens line filling up, possibly as early as next spring.
 
I DON'T/CAN'T defend what I see as an unnecessarily dwindled lens line, BUT, as I've stated elsewhere, I think it's still more than enough -- especially with fine aftermarket lenses, to suit most any shooter (and there are older F and FA lenses still available that can fill some gaps -- I have a 17-year-old FA 135 F2.8 I'm using with my K-5 with just as stellar results as I ever got with my PZ1).
The dwindled lens line has, I suspect, as much to do with Hoya not wanting to put more into Pentax than they had to. They've been concentrating really hard on lenses that will sell in quantity, such as short zooms, but nothing in the mid tele range and nothing in the really long tele range.
This is so true. Under Hoya ownership Pentax came out with a DA15 Ltd (which was already nearly ready to be marketed), a DFA100 Macro (redesign of an existing lens) , DAL35 (much needed low cost normal lens), and a DA18-135 (much needed walk-about zoom). Not much in the two years of ownship of what use to be an optical company.
The specialty glass is pretty much non existent, though what little there is is certainly excellent.
True again.
I'm pretty sure the only reason the 645 saw the light of day was because it was both mostly done when Hoya made the purchase and because it added a heck of a lot of cachet value to the brand. To me, it looks like Hoya's strategy was to make the brand profitable enough to be desirable for a potential purchaser, and to give the brand enough bling to attract some attention to the brand.
Hoya did do a good job of making Pentax Imaging Division profitable enough to sell.
That they attracted Ricoh's eye is a big win as far as I am concerned, and I expect that we'll start to see some of those holes in the lens line filling up, possibly as early as next spring.
Lets hope that under Ricoh ownership that the gaps in the lens line-up will be filled.

Just encase someone from Pentax/Ricoh I will list a few high-end lenses that are needed:
1. Super long telephoto DA* zoom like a DA*135-300 f/4.0
2. A SDM TC like a DA*1.4 X
3. Super wide DA* zoom lens like a DA*8-16 f2.8
4. A fast WR normal lens like a DA*28/f1.8 or a DA*30/f1.4
5. Reissue all the FA* lenses as DFA* lenses

Hopefully we will start seeing how Pentax will do with filling in those gaps in the lens lineup next year.

Dave
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