Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...Peter Lik. Under The Canopy?!?

I agree with Lance B; there are loads of images of this tree very similar to Roman's image, some near identical but not 100% so. One on a photo sharing site, the photographer commented about his image of it-----"Shot position will probably be the same for anyone since its along the pathway and enclosed within a low metal fence, you can't get any closer , behind or to either side of it unless you go inside the enclosure."

So, if you're going to go to a popular spot where 100's if not 1000's of photographers have limited room to take a photo, it's hard to see how you can complain someone's used your idea of composition.

Surely, the answer to this situation of subject or iconic location, is to do something different others haven't done in some way? I've had people comment on some of my photos then go out to try and do their copy version of it; I feel flattered and don't take issue with it; good luck to them if they get the image they want but hadn't thought about earlier. A location near me is visited by 1000's from all over the world and they get similar images; so, I got there at 5AM, a different viewpoint, and the morning mist added the finishing touch to make it different from the countless world's tourists.
Agreed. As you say, it's one thing to take a photo and have a similar idea as someone else or many other people, especially an iconic landmark such as this tree, but it is another to actually capture it at the right time with the right light and then to post process it in a way that gives your interpretation etc.

Having said that, I have only seen a few photos of this tree, Roman's being one of them, and his is a superb photo and as I said one of my favourite photos so, I really don't think he needs to be concerned about someone trying to copy it as it will inevitably happen.

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thank god I don't expect to become famous (even a little) or rich because of my camera...

that would spoil the fun pretty quickly.....
 
thank god I don't expect to become famous (even a little) or rich because of my camera...
I think Roman doesn't necessarily want the fame, but rather the recognition and the financial reward that comes with it. I don't think that's a bad thing to aspire to, if one stays level-headed about it.
that would spoil the fun pretty quickly.....
Some would even say that making a living at photography would spoil their love for it. I think, again, if one keeps proper balance, making a living doing what you love is a pretty blessed situation.

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Roman, I totally get where youre coming from. I try to make the photos of the areas I shoot special and different. I used to geo tag my work on flickr and it seemed "in my own mind at least" that a certain photog was trying to duplicate what I did. They would post near identicle compositions get praised as brilliant in explore. I harbored the same feelings as you did. But in reality I cannot prove this as fact. There just may be other people in this vast world that see things almost identilce to the way I do.

I may be just paranoid, but I no longer geotag or provide exif, time, date. I am not going to make it easy for them ;0).

Roman, I think your great guy and a fantastic photographer. But you should of saw some these responses coming. I hope you don't let cutting remarks from faceless posters keep you away.

respect!
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...forgive the pun, but could not help it! Those are words of wisdom, my good Sir!

Congratulations to Peter and wishing Roman all the best...
 
Yes Roman, much nicer environs, love to see you there
You guys missed the point, these forums are largely a waste of time, especially for competent photographers who don't want stupid questions answered (or to spend time answering them) and should instead be trying to get work or sell their work. In that regard, Nikon Cafe is at least as bad as DPR, if not worse.

I've been to Nikon Cafe, and I found it both uninformative and nonetheless a bit snobbish. All of these Internet forums have their little cliques (and emphasis on "little"), and Nikon Cafe is definitely no exception to that.
 
Are you implying 'roll on floor laughing'? What do you find so amusing? Roman's shot is in the Fall with Fall colors. That is why I like Roman's version of the scene better than Peter's.
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Within the context of this entire thread where there are pro Roman and anti Romanposters offering impassioned support or condemnation, I found your comment that both versions of the infamous Japanese maple were sweet but Roman's version was a tad better, to be very funny. It's probably just my twisted sense of humor grounded in the absurd that is at work here. No offense intended. I'm sure you were putting forth an honest assessment.
 
Paul Janders wrote:

Whenever I have a good idea that I think is unique and then see it executed by someone else I ask myself this question:

Did I really have a good idea or just an obvious one?
I was drawn to this old thread through a link on a current thread. I commented in that current thread by replying to another's post. They both got removed. I guess it was off topic? I don't know. But that caused me to visit this concept discussed in this thread.

I love what Paul has suggested here above. I have been shooting for years. It is no secret. Most serious photographers when heading to a locations do research to what has already been done to refine their time and concentrate in a area with the hopes of coming up with a unique image. There are uncountable scenes I have come across that have obviously no other view to shoot but the ones shot before. Maybe with those the weather and season might lend itself to something different.

What initially drew me to Death Valley the first time was a shot by Larry Ulrich CA base photographer whose beautiful view camera shot accentuated the cracked desert floor while sweeping out to the forms of the dune and mountains in the distant. I was hoping to experience something similar to work with. Guess what, though there were great opportunities, non like this other than my finding the exact location where he shot it and I was very impressed with his find. In this case there was no other view worth doing to vary his composition. In frustration, I passed on the shot altogether. It obviously would have been a half-as*ed attempt of duplicating an original perspective.

There are other scenes though that do give more license to capturing that you know have already been taken. There are even memorialized tripod markings for Ansel Adams shot of Yosemite Valley near the tunnel. Subway, the Wave, this one old dead gnarly tree in the Tetons and the Statue of Liberty with the huge sun emblazoned beside it. On and on. Over and over. What I do get the most out of these similarities are to find unique unexpected opportunities within many of those environments as well.

Another example, in a photo magazine I saw a shot taken in region I had been somewhat near in several previous trips. It was what I considered a very inadequate 35mm capture which I knew had great potential and I wanted to give it my take on it with my 57 view camera. When I arrived, it was even more grand. In the distant I could recognize Monument Valley which I had now clue from the magazine pic. I spent couple, maybe three days there to work with the weather conditions. In this case I had absolutely no concerns that I was duplicating. I was applying my skills and eye to render what I cared to present of this scene.

The japanese maple discussed here, to me, is one of those subjects that because of the nature of itself does not lead to much variation to shot angle if you want to capture backlight from under. It would be very hard to claim original capture for this kind of shot and to hope others would not have found it as well would be wishful thinking.

As frustrating as it is, those with marketing skills can and do get notoriety ahead of originators and this occurs in all realm, music, science, fashion knock-offs etc. It's unfortunate that many of us who are lucky with having creative abilities do tend to suffer in the marketing realm of our endeavors. I am one of them and that is why I had stock agencies do that work for me most of my years.
 
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Roman- You have been forefront in the discovery of unique and inspirational locations in the PNW, and I can understand your sentiment towards this occurrence. Given the popularity of the Japanese Maple Tree in Portland there are so many people with similar shots, as there are of other locations you have photographed, yet people copy. Take it as a compliment, but credit should be given where credit is due!
 
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Arretose wrote:

Roman- You have been forefront in the discovery of unique and inspirational locations in the PNW, and I can understand your sentiment towards this occurrence. Given the popularity of the Japanese Maple Tree in Portland there are so many people with similar shots, as there are of other locations you have photographed, yet people copy. Take it as a compliment, but credit should be given where credit is due! I had a chance to shoot with Peter Lik and some friends out in Death Valley, back when I lived in Las Vegas, and I can tell you that integrity is NOT one of his strong suits.
P P P Please don't start this old thread up again.
 
Zardoz wrote:

You should seek counseling for your jealousy issues. You want to be better at marketing? Don't go around the Internet making threads like this one. I've found the same basic post in numerous forums. What an embarrassment.
Did you bother checking the date of the OP?

Can we end this already? I am not a big fan of Peter Lik's photography, but I am a big fan of his photshoppers skill and his marketing myself.
 
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I'm not sure what the date of the OP has to do with this. Feel free to educate me. I respond to those threads that are on the front page or two and catch my interest.
 
There are tons of photos of this tree out there...and you can only stand in so many places? I saw this one almost a year ago, . It's pretty nice too. I don't think I've seen a single shot of this tree that doesn't look pretty good tbh.
 
Zardoz wrote:

I'm not sure what the date of the OP has to do with this. Feel free to educate me. I respond to those threads that are on the front page or two and catch my interest.
Agreed, often I don't even notice dates of OP when I reply. However, what is interesting about this thread...why is using a wide angle with a low perspective and placing a subject on a 1/3 such an original and UN-copyable composition?
 
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Zardoz wrote:

I'm not sure what the date of the OP has to do with this. Feel free to educate me. I respond to those threads that are on the front page or two and catch my interest.
Because, you are...

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The sad fact is that many pictures are no more than cliches. Everyone wants to take a picture of light streaming down the sides of a certain well known cave, or of bends in the Grand Canyon. In fact some authorities advice people to find out what is worth photographing by looking at the postcards in local shops. There is a particularly photogenic mountain in Scotland, and it is commonplace to see a magazine cover with a photograph taken near a stream at the base of the mountain. In fact there are photo tours, where people are taught how to photograph that mountain. Sorry?


I once commented on a well excuted photograph, saying it was very well done, but not original. I got panned by people telling me off and saying how original it was. Except that I went to my book shelves, and found almost the exact same photo. It was a Puffin with lots of little fish in its beak.

I don't think you can accuse this chap of plagiarism. You will have committed that act many times, often unknowingly.
 

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