Help me with D7000 skin tones

frankly, and once more, it's impossible to tell without seeing the model in the flesh. There's generally a difference between "average, pleasing" skin tones, and real skin tones.

I personally don't like the D70 skin tones you show here.

So it's telling me that:
  • you possibly just got too used to the output from your D70 and can't take anything different
  • you got used to that famous 4800K white balance irrespective of circumstances and it worked (for your eyes) on the D70 but doesnt (for your eyes) on the D7000
 
to summarize:
  • make sure you get your eyes checked. If you really got them overexposed to a lot of too bright light for too long for too many years, this really could have damaged them and switched your colour perception towards the red
  • for the mind, I'd still potentially seek some help (I mean no offense). For example:
Fact you didn't upgrade your equipment since the D70 (ann 2004) despite being passionate about photography suggests your means might be limited such that the D7000 is simply causing you a really really bad case of buyer's remorse. Besides hurting you, this must be hurting your wife and friends and family.

Your daughter looks still quite young and maybe you're still under some new dad stress, which makes you only more prone to things such as buyer's remorse

Hope you find a solution
 
For us that has actually photographed with film, analog you know. There is nothing strange about choosing one color temperature and stick with it. Before digital you coun't set white balance and had to choose film that suited your puropses. And I really like this approach. I accually think that this technique often gives, often unexpectedly good and interesting results.

And I would suggest you try setting the fixed white balance at somewhere between 4'800K – 5'500K. I usually used a setting between 4'800K to get those really cold photos or about 5'200K if i wanted a more normal, filmlike, response. All the photos below are taken with the same white balance (about 5000K i believe). And I really like that cold colors comes out cold and warm color comes out warm. And if I want to change the WB, just pull the slider. I always shoot RAW.

















So that's nothing strange. An old technique that everyone used before the digital age. So could you please stop bugging me about this now? I'm really starting to get tired of your insults. For several months you have been picking on me now.

And after entering 22 competitions with crappy pictures and after time and time ended up at three digit positions i would not be so rude. You obviously know nothing about photography niether aesthetically or technically and only hang around here to bully people.

You really should think about your behaviour. Because you are really making this forum a worse place.
 
It's not the white balance that's the problem, you can fix those in the PP. It's the skin tone and thus the skin texture that looks so unnatural with the D7000 unless the white balance, exposure and lighting is PERFECT and EXACTLY correct. I those cases it can llok prety good, especially in full daylight. But in any other situation. Skin tone is really unnatural.

And I started this thread, not to bash the camera, but to acctually get some help. But it seems like all af you keep getting so provoked.
The skin tones on this photo is excellent compared with the $2700 photo my wife commissioned of our family. I am not sure if we are all jauncised or what.

These are very slightly warm but nothing about 3 to 5 seconds of PP can't handle and they are not bad at all.

PLEASE tell me you are not one of the photographicaly illiterate who believe a digital camera should get all colors correct with no correction when every color print film shot needed correction?
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I think the underexposure of the shot is contributing to the poor skintone. I have raised the about 1 1/3 stops here. It looks right to me.



 
Fairly good actually. Thanks a lot. Yes it seems like D7000 is tweaked for a bit brighter skin tones than my old D70 that liked a bit darker skin tones best.
I think the underexposure of the shot is contributing to the poor skintone. I have raised the about 1 1/3 stops here. It looks right to me.



 
which goes back to the other possibility: erythropsia
 
Swedish,

To give me an idea about what kind of skin tone you expect, can you tell me what you think about the skin tones from the following pics I took?

No, it is not a trick question, I just wanna form an opinion about your taste of tones.





Regards,

E.M.J.
 
We were hoping for three months, but it appears it's not to be :^(
 
Meumerke,

It is hard to tell without seeing your child 'live', and compare the photo to the child.

I had the D70 and the D80. In different WB situations, the skin rendering was preferred versus my D3100 and D5100. I don't have the D7000 (tempted to get one since the D5100 is such an excellent camera -- except for the skin tones...lol).

Some old D70:

















Some D5100

















The D5100's indoor girl graduation pictures were taken by my wife on Auto. I really excepted better skin tone from the D5100. They are a bit orange-ish.

The flash/auto WB/85 f1.4 G lens 5100's skin tones are again just a bit off.

Looking at my D70 and D80 pictures in iPhoto, iMac summer 2010 21.5, the skin tones are very appealing to me, no matter what value the camera gave to the WB.

The pictures of the D3100/D5100, the skin tones are a bit off. If I never had a D70/D80, then I would not notice this, but I 'see' the difference. I am sorry I don't have the D7000, but the D5100 does share the same sensor as the D7000. I think the D70/D80 pics overall have a more 'pink/cool-ish' (?) tint than a orange/red-ish tint.
 
Hard to tell in such mixed lightings. As i can see it's both quite noticable flash lighting and some kind of natural light. But it shows an orange tone with not much texture (might be because of the fill flash). And the shadows seems a bit on the green side. So I would guess I a modern post CCS Nikon camera developed in Adobe Lightroom. But with such mixed lighting I may be wrong.
 
That's exactly what I'm talking about. These skin tones are precisely what I miss. And I alse believe that one has to have tried a D70 to really tell. I guess we d70-geeks area bit spoiled when it comes to skin tones. :(
Looking at my D70 and D80 pictures in iPhoto, iMac summer 2010 21.5, the skin tones are very appealing to me, no matter what value the camera gave to the WB.
The pictures of the D3100/D5100, the skin tones are a bit off. If I never had a D70/D80, then I would not notice this, but I 'see' the difference. I am sorry I don't have the D7000, but the D5100 does share the same sensor as the D7000. I think the D70/D80 pics overall have a more 'pink/cool-ish' (?) tint than a orange/red-ish tint.
 
I think so too. The problem is that it seems to be hardware-related. I've tried almost every raw-converters out there with no luck. And I really trust the people behind Capture One. Not even they could get a grip on those skin tones. If you put the Film response to linear and apply a gamma curve you get better results than Nikon and Lightroom, but still quite far from good enough.

But I wouldn't take it from me, needing a psychiatrist, head examination and an eye check though. And by the way. You should probably come with me. Everyone that points out that the beloved D7000 has a color problem seems to be labeled mentally ill and almost blind in theese forums.

skin tone
manual + flash = acceptable skin tone
Nikon should comes out new firmware to address this matter.

as the latest firmware didnt really solve this. http://www.dpreview.com/news/1104/11042505nikond7000firmware.asp
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About a year ago Ken Rockwell complained that his new camera couldn't get as good color as his old camera. I saw nothing wrong in his photos, he did. He solved it by applying an RGB curves adjustment. I still don't see anything wrong, but he's happy now.

Different cameras have different tone curves.

The D70 output you have seems to have a bit more green in it, as if it is trying to emulate Kodachrome or something.

The good thing is that the RGB curve can often be deduced from two photos taken of the same subject at the same time with two different cameras. So, if you could do this:

First, decide on the D70 setting that gives you the right color.

Second, decide on the D7000 setting that you intend to use for portraits. It's important that this one doesn't change - obviously, if it does, then the tonal curve adjustment will no longer be valid. (So if you go this route, you'll end up with one correction curve per shooting condition, roughly.)

Take two photos of two different scenes with both cameras. They don't have to overlap precisely, but must overlap enough to not confuse the algorithm. Basically, we'll blur both of them and then assume that we can use corresponding pixels to figure out the RGB curve.

Upload both here. The photos don't have to be bigger than about 800x600, JPG maximum quality, or thereabouts, so don't upload full 16MP - scale them down.

I'll take it from there.
 
But I wouldn't take it from me, needing a psychiatrist, head examination and an eye check though. And by the way. You should probably come with me. Everyone that points out that the beloved D7000 has a color problem seems to be labeled mentally ill and almost blind in theese forums.
i have mentally ill but not color blind. :D

check-out my flick, the recent photos(O'Green event). those are shot underneath skylite, daytime. aperture priority + flash for fill in. i can say almost every shot, the skin tone is out. i need to WB it back to actual. i didnt even set WB + warm but they came out warm orange.

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