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I was on the search for a small camera to put on my belt that would not be too big with a sensor the size of the GRD's and with a zoom...well, they really don't exist (they do, LX5, S90's, XZ1) but to be honest the GXR has spoiled me on IQ and UI...So I think my search is at a standstill, even though the GXR with the S10 is thicker, it is not really bigger than the XZ, althought the focal length is shorter but also wider, and while the lens is not as fast I am comfortable with the layout. It has been an interesting search even if I did not find treasure at the end of my travels... The APS-c is just a spoiler in so many ways. I guess I will wait and see when the APS-C zoom is available, and then wait a bit, not rush into anything. The S (which I have) and the P (which I do not have) do have the advantage of folding into the body sort of, or the modules casing, this is nice... So finally I can say that I do not have a desire at the moment and hopefully for a long time if ever for a small sensor travel camera. I will have to make due (that is a funny line) with what I have...and what i have has really spoiled me. Also, I have to learn to stop looking at foliage since I believe no camera can really do them well, and they are not my favorite subjects.
 
No worries Joel. Enjoy what you have. The APS-C cameras have spoiled me too.

Regrading foliage, IME that kind of subject requires a very good lens to resolve well. No small sensor nor cheap lens will do that.
 
I was looking for something similar. I wanted a small camera that I could attach to my belt so that it would be with me all of the time. I ended up buying the GXR with the A12 50 and fell in love. It does not meet my initial size requirements but it meets/exceeds my IQ requirements. Sometimes, I wish the A12 50 collapsed so it would be smaller when the camera was turned off. I am working on a solution to allow me to carry it every day.
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Hi Joel, like you I always looked to foliage (and grass) to judge the resolve of a camera and importantly for me, the jpeg NR smearing. But in the end it's not necessarily a good overall indicator of image quality, I'm thinking right now of the CX1 photos posted recently by Chris Dennehy!
Glad your happy with your GXR

best regards.......Paul
 
No worries Joel. Enjoy what you have. The APS-C cameras have spoiled me too.

Regrading foliage, IME that kind of subject requires a very good lens to resolve well. No small sensor nor cheap lens will do that.
Andrew, it has always driven my nuts, so I need to live around more concrete ;)
 
I was looking for something similar. I wanted a small camera that I could attach to my belt so that it would be with me all of the time. I ended up buying the GXR with the A12 50 and fell in love. It does not meet my initial size requirements but it meets/exceeds my IQ requirements. Sometimes, I wish the A12 50 collapsed so it would be smaller when the camera was turned off. I am working on a solution to allow me to carry it every day.
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rc, it sure is a spoiler, enjoy yours.
 
Hi Joel, like you I always looked to foliage (and grass) to judge the resolve of a camera and importantly for me, the jpeg NR smearing. But in the end it's not necessarily a good overall indicator of image quality, I'm thinking right now of the CX1 photos posted recently by Chris Dennehy!
Glad your happy with your GXR

best regards.......Paul
Paul, good point, those were really great pics...I was looking at them and thinking, with a CX1, in the right hands.....NR Smearing is something I really hate, that is a nice thing about the CX5 and the P10 and other GXR modules (but even with the CX1 look was Chris could do).
 
Well put Joel

A sort of round about way of saying what I have also come to believe:

That whilst the development of digital camera technology is far from over it has reached a plateau of development and the great strides previously made that rendered our purchases quickly obsolete are more a series of small rushes that are more "interesting" than a "compulsion to buy".

I think Ricoh could see this and their GXR and module approach can be more seen as staking out a homesite and cultivating their own little farm on the plateau rather than heading for the next patch of grass over the ranges. They are, and tend to have been for a while, seemingly more interested in making new converts to their product who will keep their Ricoh cameras in use long term rather than recycle them frequently.

When innovative new product areas mature and manufacturers wish to keep up huge sales volume quality tends to be sacrificed on the alter of price point. If people have become used to re-buying their gear every couple of years it matters not if the product is only designed to last three years before breaking if it is cheap enough.

However there will always be some who value quality above everything else and their interest can be maintained by trickling out interesting things like new lens modules. I think you have made a wise choice. The GXR back is forever and vive la module nouveau.

Ricoh might never be a volume seller but it is not a camera volume scrapper either.

As a percentage of product sold today there will be more current Ricohs in regular use in five or more years time than those of a more frivolous make.

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No worries Joel. Enjoy what you have. The APS-C cameras have spoiled me too.

Regrading foliage, IME that kind of subject requires a very good lens to resolve well. No small sensor nor cheap lens will do that.
Andrew, it has always driven my nuts, so I need to live around more concrete ;)
So thats what my problem is - not enough concrete ...

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Tom Caldwell
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I was looking for something similar. I wanted a small camera that I could attach to my belt so that it would be with me all of the time. I ended up buying the GXR with the A12 50 and fell in love. It does not meet my initial size requirements but it meets/exceeds my IQ requirements. Sometimes, I wish the A12 50 collapsed so it would be smaller when the camera was turned off. I am working on a solution to allow me to carry it every day.
Leave it under the mattress overnight, works wonders.
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Tom, you know it is funny, I have never followed the herd. In 1973 before they were really known I had a BMW, my first and then all of my following personal (non business) computers have been macs (apple anything for me). I ride Rivendell bikes, retro as can be and against all trends. So it has taken me a bit to know, after handling many cameras only one has me coming back and back, ricoh.
 
I've been at Photography for many many years so I have a darn good handle on what I want/need for my efforts. My problem has been that there was nothing aside from a large and heavy SLR camera that suited well until recently. The wave of large sensor, small body cameras beginning with the pre-release announcement of the Sigma SD1 gave me hope. I then spent two years pounding a Panasonic G1 and finding it quite good but not quite it.

The X1 and X100 piqued my curiosity. Handling the X100 convinced me it wasn't the one, the X1 felt better but seemed a bit limited for its price. I tried the GXR on a colleague's suggestion. And it did the trick.

Ultimate smallness isn't my goal. Best quality in a handy and handling camera is. The GXR's control layout and customizability is just right. The camera module system works very well. Two prime lenses is great, add the M-Lens module and one slightly longer lens and I'll be right where I want to be.

The goal, as always, is to have a camera that works well enough that I can forget all about the task of using it and concentrate on the task of making photographs. The GXR and I are getting to that symbiotic ideal very rapidly. :-)
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Tom, you know it is funny, I have never followed the herd. In 1973 before they were really known I had a BMW, my first and then all of my following personal (non business) computers have been macs (apple anything for me). I ride Rivendell bikes, retro as can be and against all trends. So it has taken me a bit to know, after handling many cameras only one has me coming back and back, ricoh.
Sort of goes with the Ricoh camera territory Joel. It is well known that I had and liked Citroen cars - not common here. Furthermore over a period of 35+ years my tractors on my little property have been: Ferguson, Ferrari (yes they made tractors); Carraro and now Valpadana. Seems hugely wasteful but my Carraro bought new served me well for over 20 years and now grunts and rattles around one of my son's properties. Convention buys a ride-on mower every few years or some 50-year old tractor "banger" forever breaking down or just get a contractor in a couple of times a year tame the jungle.

But I think in the end thinking clearly and having the intestinal fortitude to back your judgement with the best tool for the job rather than following what everyone else does has proved to be the smartest course of action. I have not regretted my courses of action be they car, tractor or camera.

Not being different for the sake of being different but just analysing a need and getting the best tool for the job. It works, even if conventionally speaking we appear to be crazy.

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Tom Caldwell
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I've been at Photography for many many years so I have a darn good handle on what I want/need for my efforts. My problem has been that there was nothing aside from a large and heavy SLR camera that suited well until recently. The wave of large sensor, small body cameras beginning with the pre-release announcement of the Sigma SD1 gave me hope. I then spent two years pounding a Panasonic G1 and finding it quite good but not quite it.

The X1 and X100 piqued my curiosity. Handling the X100 convinced me it wasn't the one, the X1 felt better but seemed a bit limited for its price. I tried the GXR on a colleague's suggestion. And it did the trick.

Ultimate smallness isn't my goal. Best quality in a handy and handling camera is. The GXR's control layout and customizability is just right. The camera module system works very well. Two prime lenses is great, add the M-Lens module and one slightly longer lens and I'll be right where I want to be.

The goal, as always, is to have a camera that works well enough that I can forget all about the task of using it and concentrate on the task of making photographs. The GXR and I are getting to that symbiotic ideal very rapidly. :-)
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Godfrey
http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com
Welcome to the club Godfrey, but I warn you, once in it - hard to leave again.

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Tom Caldwell
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I don't generally join clubs, Tom, but thank you for the welcome.

This was the state I'd reached in my film camera days at end: a Nikon kit of two bodies, five or so lenses for maximum versatility. A Leica kit of two bodies and three lenses for when silent operation and an optical viewfinder had advantage. A Rollei 35S for when compactness and handiness were paramount. All three the same format, all three capable of producing the same level of quality results. Medium format cameras for a higher standard - subminiature for a more limited yet unique imaging standard. The imaging qualities were defined by the format and the recording medium primarily.

Then digital happened. My perception after years of work: the imaging qualities are defined mostly by the rendering process and to a lesser extent by format. Pixel resolution, once past a useful plateau (for me, around six mpixel because of the size print I prefer), diminishes in importance to dynamic range and sensitivity, these qualities constrained by the technology of the photosite receptor and its size to first order.

The frustration has been to find cameras that suit as well as what I once had in film cameras with this new playing field in recording technology and rendering capability. Compacts with their very small sensors and limited DR, very deep DOF, and inescapable lack of sensitivity have not been able to replace the Rollei 35 or subminiatures. Versatile, high quality RFs have become pigeonholed at stratospheric pricing into a very niche prouct: much as I'd like one, a Leica M9 is too limited for the $20,000 I'd need to spend to obtain the body and three lens kit I once had. MF digitals have been out of the question for similar cost reasons. DSLRs have followed on from the 35mm Film base the most successfully and finally approach the quality/cost domain I once had but with the same issues of size, weight, operating noise, etc, which is why I used to have the RFs and compacts alongside.

Now with mature DSLR systems and compact/intermediate cameras like the GXR (and with the GXR's variable sensor size design tailoring the sensor/lens combination to achieve a usefully compact and still handy form factor), it seems I can finally get the tools I've been looking for back again with only two systems to manage, not four.

This means that I can finally get past the equipment hunt and back into the Photography hunt again. The tools are now versatile enough, their output quality good enough, that further development represents just optional plus rather than desperately needed capability. I can put their development into the background of my thoughts and put the subject back where it belongs into the spotlight.

..."Equipment often gets in the way of Photography."...
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Godfrey
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Yes in my own business and with a family - everyone has some idea of what I mean - the camera collection was pretty basic. Then with retirement coming on I thought I had better do something to keep myself out of the wife's routine.

Unfortunately I tend to "do things properly". At work I went through the before-computer, mainframe write your own and then downsized to PC networks and kept running to keep abreast of computer technology. Then all of a sudden keeping up with the latest computer was not such a big deal. They got cheaper, broke more often and the natural turnover cycle emerged.

I can see a parallel in digital cameras and am on the record that the digital camera revolution is more at a stage where you either buy cheap and recycle fairly regularly because it did not cost that much or you buy better quality and keep it longer.

I think that Ricoh falls into the latter camp. More or less a digital version of the various known plateaus of camera technology since at least WWII.

So I have other gear but i am marveling at the ability to make digital work well with manual focus and am now in a position where I can accumulate the sort of old lenses that I could not afford then. Digital cameras of the EVIL type are actually easier to use with manual lenses than those lenses ever were on the cameras they were first designed for. So I await the M mount module with some anticipation.

Oh and for those that need one - there is a very nice Canon FD 300mm f4.0 at a starting bid of US$225 with no takers coming off in a few hours. I certainly don't need one but considering the price of a similar modern EOS lens it is a real steal.

Manual focus and aperture of course but a birders weapon of choice for not much more than the cost of scrap metal.

Also not the thing that would suit a GXR but it should not be an orphan as I am sure it could be accommodated elsewhere.

On the other hand Canon ltm 50mm f1.4 lenses in not pristine condition are going for nearly twice that sum. It's a standard/wide focal length lens world.

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Tom Caldwell
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