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3GB CF is not yet available. They will be out ond of the year or beginning of next at $2500.00 USD.
sje said:
I was wondering if the S602 is compatible with the 3GB CF?
See discustion:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=3801435

in short:
Fat16 has a max partition limit but it varies how it's implemented,
it's max size is 2GB or 4GB.

anyone tested this on the S602?

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FAT16 even supports 8GB, but the camera should be designed to support this kind of FAT16 format. --- for faster read/write speed, FAT16 is a good idea, for larger capacity, FAT32 is better.
sje said:
I was wondering if the S602 is compatible with the 3GB CF?
See discustion:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=3801435

in short:
Fat16 has a max partition limit but it varies how it's implemented,
it's max size is 2GB or 4GB.

anyone tested this on the S602?

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S602
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The 3GB card, when it comes out, is oriented to towards the new Kodak 14 Megapixel type cameras, that produce a 41MB full resolution file. It might work for an S602, but it's waaaay overkill. If you do get one, let us know how well it works.

EdPhotoman
http://www.edphotoman.com
sje said:
I was wondering if the S602 is compatible with the 3GB CF?
See discustion:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=3801435

in short:
Fat16 has a max partition limit but it varies how it's implemented,
it's max size is 2GB or 4GB.

anyone tested this on the S602?

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S602
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Why you would want to use a $2500 card in a ~$500 camera is beyond me????

It would make more sense to buy 8 (1 Gig) microdrives - more value for your money and guaranteed compatability
 
And your statement below also addresses an even bigger issue for me... data security. Imagine that you take several hundred photos on your 3GB card, only to have it fail, or accidentally delete the files, or format it, or lose it, or drop it down the drain.

I would much rather have 6 - 500MB cards or 12 - 256 MB cards. At least if something goes wrong with one card, I don't lose 100% of my data. Deleting your photos is waaaay too easy with digital cameras... you lend it to your 'significant other' for a couple of shots, and before you know it, they press the wrong buttons and voila!... no more data.

Personally, I would not recommend having a card that is bigger than what you can directly copy to a CD for backup, without mucking around... that's about 540 MB in the real world.

Edphotoman.
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Richard Bolt said:
Why you would want to use a $2500 card in a ~$500 camera is beyond
me????

It would make more sense to buy 8 (1 Gig) microdrives - more value
for your money and guaranteed compatability
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640 kb, who will ever need more!

I'm a computer scientist, I have learned that you will always run out of memory or disk space! When I got my computer about 3 years ago I increased my disk space 10x, then one year ago I doubled that and I'm still low on HD space!

the 3GB cards cost alot now but in 2 years they probably be the same price as the 512 mb cards are now or 256 mb cards.

What I would like to see is a blue tooth (wireless) memory card that writes the pictures onto your computer, laptop or mobile hard disk unit.

Then you could just have your hard disk in your bag and don't have to worry about the disk space. And when you get back to your computer you can just leave your HD in the bag and move the pictures wireless to your computer... blue tooth has a range of 10-100meters so when at home or in your studio you would save your pics straight in your computer...
edphotoman said:
EdPhotoman
http://www.edphotoman.com
sje said:
I was wondering if the S602 is compatible with the 3GB CF?
See discustion:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=3801435

in short:
Fat16 has a max partition limit but it varies how it's implemented,
it's max size is 2GB or 4GB.

anyone tested this on the S602?

--
S602
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Click to expand...
--
S602
 
For the price of the card alone, you can buy two 602's, a 340mb MD and a small notebook with a 20 gig drive and a firewire card and a firewire CF2 reader............

And regarding the Kodak/Nikon. I think that someone who uses those camera's, has a up to date notebook with a large drive and rapid file transfer or directly hooks the camera to the notebook.

The price of those cards are to extreme. There are better workarounds for a lower price. The only thing that works is dropping the 3Gig price to a 1gig MD and the 1gig MD to a 256 CF1.

I don't understand why a camera manufacturer has not yet come up with a backpack for example, or a hip-pack. One or two big batteries to be hooked up to the camera and its flash, another cable in direct link to a 20gig ATA100 HD or something, could be under 1000 dollar with ease. Why do it all in the camera?

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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.com
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... backed up on 375 CDs. Just in case you scratch one.
edphotoman said:
I would much rather have 6 - 500MB cards or 12 - 256 MB cards. At
least if something goes wrong with one card, I don't lose 100% of
my data. Deleting your photos is waaaay too easy with digital
cameras... you lend it to your 'significant other' for a couple of
shots, and before you know it, they press the wrong buttons and
voila!... no more data.

Personally, I would not recommend having a card that is bigger than
what you can directly copy to a CD for backup, without mucking
around... that's about 540 MB in the real world.

Edphotoman.
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Richard Bolt said:
Why you would want to use a $2500 card in a ~$500 camera is beyond
me????

It would make more sense to buy 8 (1 Gig) microdrives - more value
for your money and guaranteed compatability
Click to expand...
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Yes, but in 5 years our S602 will be as obsolete as a 386 computer is today, and we will all be shooting at higher densities with vastly superior cameras. The original question was "will an S602 accept a 3GB card?" The answer is why would you want todo that?

If I were shooting with a 14MP chip, I would also be hoping that the big cards work with my camera... after all, it's only 5 full resolution photos on a 256 MB card right now!

Edphotoman
sje said:
I'm a computer scientist, I have learned that you will always run
out of memory or disk space! When I got my computer about 3 years
ago I increased my disk space 10x, then one year ago I doubled that
and I'm still low on HD space!

the 3GB cards cost alot now but in 2 years they probably be the
same price as the 512 mb cards are now or 256 mb cards.

What I would like to see is a blue tooth (wireless) memory card
that writes the pictures onto your computer, laptop or mobile hard
disk unit.

Then you could just have your hard disk in your bag and don't have
to worry about the disk space. And when you get back to your
computer you can just leave your HD in the bag and move the
pictures wireless to your computer... blue tooth has a range of
10-100meters so when at home or in your studio you would save your
pics straight in your computer...
edphotoman said:
EdPhotoman
http://www.edphotoman.com
sje said:
I was wondering if the S602 is compatible with the 3GB CF?
See discustion:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=3801435

in short:
Fat16 has a max partition limit but it varies how it's implemented,
it's max size is 2GB or 4GB.

anyone tested this on the S602?

--
S602
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
S602
Click to expand...
 
sje said:
640 kb, who will ever need more!

I'm a computer scientist, I have learned that you will always run
out of memory or disk space! When I got my computer about 3 years
ago I increased my disk space 10x, then one year ago I doubled that
and I'm still low on HD space!
Click to expand...
Yes but as a computer scientist you will know that the original 640k or real mode memory is still important to the running of current operating PC systems, even if the system has 1 or 2gig of memory installed, the tables for paging the extended memory still have to be in real memory, thats why systems can still give insufficient memory errors when base memory is low even when loads of memory is fitted.

With regard to memory management the design of the PC is now totally inadequate and inefficient. Sadly its progress has been severly handicapped by the need for backward compatiblity over the years.

Also the use of easier higher level languages has also been a prime reason for needing more memory and hard-drive space, one is driven by the other.

Admittedly its rare that I use assembler these days having moved onto C/C++ many years ago simply because its easier and more productive.

BTW if your a computer scientist after 3years, what does that make me after 22years.. ;-) built my first Nascom myself in 1979/80.. I must be a proffessor at least... LOL
sje said:
the 3GB cards cost alot now but in 2 years they probably be the
same price as the 512 mb cards are now or 256 mb cards.
Click to expand...
Fully agree.. thats progress, but I see little point in the original poster being concerned about something that is highly unlikely to be practical or even affordable when compared with the camera's original price. I am sure the firmware would at the very least need updating to handle sizes larger than 2gig anyway, and as Fuji as shown to date it never releases firmware updates anyway so the consideration does not apply. By the time the prices of these super capacity cards become a viable option the 602 will have long gone to that scrap-yard in the sky.:-)

Even my wife who is a top class fully qualified domestic engineer of more than 50years experience agrees with me. LOL

Best wishes

Grandpa.

Author of.
Comstar (BBC micro on Rom) + enhanced version for the Archie.
Procon Tools (BBC Micro on Rom)
Prestel Rom (BBC Micro on Rom) (for Pace Technologies)
Termulator CPM,Pet,Vic20,C64
Communicator PC
TextBook PC
+ Several Dos utilities
Owner of Dudley Micro Services Ltd
 
Well, I just got my Fuji S602 along with a Ridata 256MB CF Card (that seems to be working just fine - didn't test the video, but that's not what I'll bue using the camera for.. so no problems there). I also got an Archos Jukebox Multimedia with a 10gb drive and the Photo Module (it was a great deal btw!). The photo module takes SM and CF cards. So, when I'm away from a computer for sometime, I can always dump my CF card to the archos, format the CF card and shoot away! :)

As an added bonus you can always play mp3, DivX movies (yes! as in Mpeg4!) and you can also watch your photos (the LCD is not TFT 'though... but it ain't bad either). It can also be connected to a TV, and it works great!

I highly recomend it.. if you think about it.. for the price of about 4 256MB CF cards (that's 1 GB in CF cards) you can get an Archos (they don't sell the 10gb version anymore - only 20 and 40 gb).

I only got my camera today, and I know that it'll take sometime until I can take really good pictures with it, but I can tell you that I'm already loving it! And I won't have trouble with storage either! :)
 
vexx said:
Well, I just got my Fuji S602 along with a Ridata 256MB CF Card
(that seems to be working just fine - didn't test the video, but
that's not what I'll bue using the camera for.. so no problems
there). I also got an Archos Jukebox Multimedia with a 10gb drive
and the Photo Module (it was a great deal btw!). The photo module
takes SM and CF cards. So, when I'm away from a computer for
sometime, I can always dump my CF card to the archos, format the CF
card and shoot away! :)

As an added bonus you can always play mp3, DivX movies (yes! as in
Mpeg4!) and you can also watch your photos (the LCD is not TFT
'though... but it ain't bad either). It can also be connected to a
TV, and it works great!

I highly recomend it.. if you think about it.. for the price of
about 4 256MB CF cards (that's 1 GB in CF cards) you can get an
Archos (they don't sell the 10gb version anymore - only 20 and 40
gb).
Click to expand...
Absolutely agree with your comments regarding the Archos Jukebox , my son bought the Studio 20 Archos recently with the 20gig drive fitted, he uses it mainly for playing MP3's in his car, He used to have the creative Jukebox but had problems with it. From what I saw of the Archos, I was quite impressed, I think he paid around £300 for his but unsure, he is able to claim the vat back which helps a little, even with vat its really excellent value and is great for viewing and storing your pics on using its built in cardreaders. AYS the screen could have been a bit better. I must admit I fancy one myself. Has yours been trouble free? How much did you pay?
Whats the transfer speed like as I note its not USB-2?
Does it handle all mp3 bitrates okay? sorry for all the questions..:-)

Grandpa
 
About if the fuji is able to handle the 3GB...

As I understand it you can format the card with 8192b allocation unit size in windows 2000 or newer versions of DOS! ;o) see format ? in w2k

I'll try this with my camera and 256MB CF when it arrives about 1. of des.
If the 256MB CF works with 8192b in the S602 then the 3GB should too.

FAT16 is not limited to 2GB if you can change the allocation unit size so the 3GB size should not be a problem.

I read in an other thread that some where haveing problems takeing video on the whole 256MB cards unless they formatted with 8196b allocation unit size.

I'm also pretty sure that the 3GB CF will be at an affordible price sooner than we think.

-- -- to grandpa -- --
I know, I have been curseing about the backward compatabillity.

Oh, don't remind me about all the 640k problems... spent many hours back then makeing boot disks to get some games or programs to run on the old DOS. (Qemm or was it Qmem, don't remember, thats a good sigin.)

LOL, you still use assambler! xor AX, AX, (I'm in VC++ MFC mostly)
It's fun but get lost quick, Have you programed in Z80 machine code?

I'm a bit yonger than you, as a kid I played with the Sinclair Z80 48k, I still have one original game, "Jet pac"
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Guys we found a live one!
I found one of the great computer dinosors!
Nice to see a fellow nerd here on the forum! ;o)
grandpa said:
sje said:
640 kb, who will ever need more!

I'm a computer scientist, I have learned that you will always run
out of memory or disk space! When I got my computer about 3 years
ago I increased my disk space 10x, then one year ago I doubled that
and I'm still low on HD space!
Click to expand...
Yes but as a computer scientist you will know that the original
640k or real mode memory is still important to the running of
current operating PC systems, even if the system has 1 or 2gig of
memory installed, the tables for paging the extended memory still
have to be in real memory, thats why systems can still give
insufficient memory errors when base memory is low even when loads
of memory is fitted.
With regard to memory management the design of the PC is now
totally inadequate and inefficient. Sadly its progress has been
severly handicapped by the need for backward compatiblity over the
years.
Also the use of easier higher level languages has also been a prime
reason for needing more memory and hard-drive space, one is driven
by the other.
Admittedly its rare that I use assembler these days having moved
onto C/C++ many years ago simply because its easier and more
productive.

BTW if your a computer scientist after 3years, what does that make
me after 22years.. ;-) built my first Nascom myself in 1979/80.. I
must be a proffessor at least... LOL
grandpa said:
the 3GB cards cost alot now but in 2 years they probably be the
same price as the 512 mb cards are now or 256 mb cards.
Click to expand...
Fully agree.. thats progress, but I see little point in the
original poster being concerned about something that is highly
unlikely to be practical or even affordable when compared with the
camera's original price. I am sure the firmware would at the very
least need updating to handle sizes larger than 2gig anyway, and as
Fuji as shown to date it never releases firmware updates anyway so
the consideration does not apply. By the time the prices of these
super capacity cards become a viable option the 602 will have long
gone to that scrap-yard in the sky.:-)
Even my wife who is a top class fully qualified domestic engineer
of more than 50years experience agrees with me. LOL

Best wishes

Grandpa.

Author of.
Comstar (BBC micro on Rom) + enhanced version for the Archie.
Procon Tools (BBC Micro on Rom)
Prestel Rom (BBC Micro on Rom) (for Pace Technologies)
Termulator CPM,Pet,Vic20,C64
Communicator PC
TextBook PC
+ Several Dos utilities
Owner of Dudley Micro Services Ltd
Click to expand...
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S602
 
grandpa said:
vexx said:
Well, I just got my Fuji S602 along with a Ridata 256MB CF Card
(that seems to be working just fine - didn't test the video, but
that's not what I'll bue using the camera for.. so no problems
there). I also got an Archos Jukebox Multimedia with a 10gb drive
and the Photo Module (it was a great deal btw!). The photo module
takes SM and CF cards. So, when I'm away from a computer for
sometime, I can always dump my CF card to the archos, format the CF
card and shoot away! :)

As an added bonus you can always play mp3, DivX movies (yes! as in
Mpeg4!) and you can also watch your photos (the LCD is not TFT
'though... but it ain't bad either). It can also be connected to a
TV, and it works great!

I highly recomend it.. if you think about it.. for the price of
about 4 256MB CF cards (that's 1 GB in CF cards) you can get an
Archos (they don't sell the 10gb version anymore - only 20 and 40
gb).
Click to expand...
Absolutely agree with your comments regarding the Archos Jukebox ,
my son bought the Studio 20 Archos recently with the 20gig drive
fitted, he uses it mainly for playing MP3's in his car, He used to
have the creative Jukebox but had problems with it. From what I saw
of the Archos, I was quite impressed, I think he paid around £300
for his but unsure, he is able to claim the vat back which helps a
little, even with vat its really excellent value and is great for
viewing and storing your pics on using its built in cardreaders.
AYS the screen could have been a bit better. I must admit I fancy
one myself. Has yours been trouble free? How much did you pay?
Whats the transfer speed like as I note its not USB-2?
Does it handle all mp3 bitrates okay? sorry for all the questions..:-)

Grandpa
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Stop tortureing me with all this wonerfulll tecnology!

I'm haveing hard time as it is to explain to my wife why we need a digital camera!

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S602
 
I'm not going to get one, at least not yet! Not for that price!

My friend took his 2MP camera to Turkey for 3 week and he has 2x 256MB and 1 or 2 smaller cards and he wanted to have more memory. And he dose not use the max quality for his hollydays pictures.

Also if the 3GB card is compatible then the smaller versions are probably too, the 2GB and 1,5 GB cards. And they will be sooner at an afordible price.

Guess I'm just a sucker for memory, you can never have enough memory.
edphotoman said:
EdPhotoman
http://www.edphotoman.com
sje said:
I was wondering if the S602 is compatible with the 3GB CF?
See discustion:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=3801435

in short:
Fat16 has a max partition limit but it varies how it's implemented,
it's max size is 2GB or 4GB.

anyone tested this on the S602?

--
S602
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
S602
 
sje said:
-- -- to grandpa -- --
I know, I have been curseing about the backward compatabillity.
Oh, don't remind me about all the 640k problems... spent many hours
back then makeing boot disks to get some games or programs to run
on the old DOS. (Qemm or was it Qmem, don't remember, thats a good
sigin.)
Click to expand...
Yes.. it was Quaterdecks... Qemm386 those days were a bit archaic but at least the games ran fast even on a low spec machines.. :-)
sje said:
LOL, you still use assambler! xor AX, AX, (I'm in VC++ MFC mostly)
It's fun but get lost quick, Have you programed in Z80 machine code?
Click to expand...
Yes I did many years ago but not for home computers, it was for Maygay Machines Ltd a fruit machine manufacturer in the UK, I was part of a small team that wrote the eprom software for driving the first electronic one arm bandits..LOL Most of my own early programming was on the beebs 6052. I onlly use assembler for the odd tiny dos utility now and thats very rarely these days, although I did integrate a little into Textbook to speed up some routines, thats one of the reasons I like C/C++ VC++ over the likes of Pascal etc. Its really easy to call any small assembler routines. Delphi is not too bad if ones into Pascal. I dont do so much programming these days... although having said that I have recently been involved in some work for a company doing some Pic programming for them (favour for a friend). I use Linux quite a lot, Im using a Susie install at the moment which is not bad, on a duel boot system of course. It keeps my interest going, also many of our customers (well more my sons now!) use Linux boxes so its easy to telnet into them.
sje said:
I'm a bit yonger than you,
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Yes.. sadly age comes to us all eventually..LOL but you have to look at the positive's, no longer the need to work, hopefully some wealth to enjoy the leisure time and to buy the toys you could'nt afford when you were young. Its also rewarding to see ones own childtren and grandchildren grow up and make a success of their lives. :-)
sje said:
as a kid I played with the Sinclair Z80
48k, I still have one original game Jetpac
Click to expand...
That was one of the main advantages in the early days of computers ie. the 8080,Z80,and 6052 cpus etc. If you could manage to write a few K of code you could make some money, which is how the likes of Peter Norton, Jeff Minter etc. started. Hard to believe today that programmers used to write full Chess programs that ran in 1K of code on Sinclairs first 1K memory ZX80 units, weve certainly come a long way since then.. LOL

Anyway... as this is way off topic I'll cut here..

Sorry guys for the OT post.. just the rantings of an old has-been who is way past his sell-by-date. :-))

Best wishes

Grandpa
 
I payed 350 eur for mine (it's the 10gb version).
I bought it from a friend but it was brand new and still sealed in the box.

It has built-in USB 1.1 but you can buy an adapter cable to make it USB 2.0 AND Firewire compliant. Is a bit on the expensive side 'though.. ( 50 eur).

As for the USB 1.1: I can transfer 500mb of data in about 8 minutes.

So far I haven't had any trouble with it, although the battery charging process is a bit strange. Be battery charging indicator keeps moving when the AC Adapter in connected, so I can't really tell if the battery has been fully charged or not. A lot of people are also reporting this along with other battery related issues.. Aside from that, I think it's well worth the money!

sje: Sorry! Didn't mean to torture you with this! LOL
 
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