602 Pro? I'd rather have Fuji 602 5MP

I really appreciate this discussion as it adds alot to the knowledge the average person would have of optics and sesors.

The argument that one would need a 100MP camera doesn't really apply here and is not comparable to say computers.....

While I'll contend that a well maintained Pentium II300 with enough ram can get the job done most people need the only reason why we need the ever increasing MHZ of newer chips is because of the changes in software.

Software gets bigger, coders get lazier with memory management, and we use computers for tasks we didin't use them for before.

When it comes to taking pictures however, what is going to change about that in 10 years???? What are we going to be looking for in obtaining a picture that we can't get now. What would be the use of a 100mp sensor? The only thing I'd like to be able to do in the future is reproduce pictures in 3D and that my friend has many more hurdles than sensor resolution.

This whole thing reminds me of how many people look at diamonds.... all they see is carats...... not clarity, cut, and color.

-Troy
602happy

MikeBee said:

MikeBee said:

Ok, lets speed time up. 10 years from now we other people will
enjoy 20-100 Mp ,if we want to use that setting for portraits that
will go up large on the wall. U will still sit there with 3 Mp
Fuji. As u see already 'Sony has about 20-25 % higher resolution.
Who said u have to compress the size of the chip all the time. All
chips in the near future will be "full size" ones like recent pro
cams.

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And in ten years time there will be porcine aviation devices too no
doubt !

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LOL ! I'll bet hell will experience a severe snow storm around that time.

grandpa said:

I would'nt know about that.. ;-)
but he and I were very close indeed..LOL
He sends his regards to eveyone.

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LOL! Tell him I said hi.

The energy expended in these pointless comparisons of the 602 continues to amaze me.

What part of VALUE is so hard to understand? No, the 602 does not produce the very best digital images achievable today. But the 602 does not cost several thousand dollars as do the top of the line, maximum pixel count, large sensor SLR cameras that do produce such images. Among "prosumer" cameras, the 602 is repeatedly compared to the Sony 717, Nikon 5700 and Minolta 7, all of which cost much more that the Fuji. I think that the very fact that such comparisons are made speaks volumes for the value that the Fuji 602 offers. IT'S A $540 CAMERA and it's being compared to cameras that cost up to twice as much. While each of these cameras may by superior to the 602 in some aspects of image quality or performance, they also have flaws and there are some aspects of the 602 that are superior.

When a camera is available that offers the features, versatility, and image quality of the 602 for the price of the Fuji, then we can talk.

If cost were no object, I'd be tempted by the Sigma SD9. But for those preoccupied with pixel count, I suspect that it's mere 3.3MP sensor would be inadequate.

Regards,
Michaux

emajk said:

3MP?, What is up with them. It's a great cam but the sensor is 3
years old. Also the noise from their ccd should make them do it the
usual way. Or even the Sigma way.

Mike.

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Lothman said:

And as german boy at a university with some contacts to zeiss and
leica engineers:
If you look at the prices for Zeiss or Leica Objectives of the
M-Series or the SLR-Series you hardly find a piece under 1500 €/$
for a non-zoom version. I don't believe that zeiss or leitz
produces the optics sold in a complete camera for 1200 €. And the
optic should have a 10x zoom and the resolution of 10000 lines/mm
Would you believe that a car from japan (with the mercedes lable in
front) for 10.000$ is a real brand new S-Class???

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Yes, and one day Fuji will make lenses for Hasselbled...
er.. They do that already don't they?
;.)

I did not compare the Fuji to for ex Sony. I wanted to show that a 5Mp sensor or at least 4Mp would be better. I had to bring up the Sony just to say it is possible to get pic that are good with a 5Mp sensor.

I think The 602 is a great cam and 5Mp sensor has been aroung a while and therefor the cost also goes down giving the opportunity to put it in a less expensive cam. I would not mind the cost to go up a little bit and then I would have a choice of different Fujis.

Mike.

Michaux said:

What part of VALUE is so hard to understand? No, the 602 does not
produce the very best digital images achievable today. But the 602
does not cost several thousand dollars as do the top of the line,
maximum pixel count, large sensor SLR cameras that do produce such
images. Among "prosumer" cameras, the 602 is repeatedly compared
to the Sony 717, Nikon 5700 and Minolta 7, all of which cost much
more that the Fuji. I think that the very fact that such
comparisons are made speaks volumes for the value that the Fuji 602
offers. IT'S A $540 CAMERA and it's being compared to cameras that
cost up to twice as much. While each of these cameras may by
superior to the 602 in some aspects of image quality or
performance, they also have flaws and there are some aspects of the
602 that are superior.

When a camera is available that offers the features, versatility,
and image quality of the 602 for the price of the Fuji, then we can
talk.

If cost were no object, I'd be tempted by the Sigma SD9. But for
those preoccupied with pixel count, I suspect that it's mere 3.3MP
sensor would be inadequate.

Regards,
Michaux

emajk said:

3MP?, What is up with them. It's a great cam but the sensor is 3
years old. Also the noise from their ccd should make them do it the
usual way. Or even the Sigma way.

Mike.

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