No one except Pana and Oly has build AF lens for M4/3 nor do any of these companies who "joined" M4/3 plan to build AF lenses for M4/3. The manual focus lenses work anyway with adapter. I suggest you take your crap back to M4/3 forum.
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Just Having Fun
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You are babbling nonense. All Zeiss branded A-mount lenses have AF, and that's true only for A-mount lenses (probably E-mount too). Zeiss lenses for other mounts are all manual focus.
Well, Sony has a 'road map' which doesn't help anyone today, but neither does announcements of cooperation (i.e. a Schneider Kreuznach announcement doesn't count any more than Sony's road map). So in micro 4/3 land, you have mostly Oly & Panny duplicating each others lenses (when they're not duplicating their own lenses), plus the promise of more on the way.
4/3 obviously has more lenses available, but that's only interesting if they have lenses you want. (I want a portrait lens, so all those zooms are useless). Either system adapts to most anything, but given that legacy lenses were designed for FF, I'd rather a bigger sensor if adapting.
So m43 is certainly the broader system, but I don't think anyone else, whether NEX or Samsung NX (or a new system from Canon or Nikon) has that far to go to be nearly as appealing.
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Just Having Fun
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Either you did not read what I said or you are clueless.
Sony makes the actual lens and AF for all the Zeiss Alpha lenses (Optics designed by Zeiss and are made to Zeiss specs). That is why they have things like Sony SSM.
Zeiss does not make AF mechanisms for anyone. Actually a rep from Sony confirmed they no longer make the optics either. Sony does, but using the Zeiss specs.
Sony makes the actual lens and AF for all the Zeiss Alpha lenses (Optics designed by Zeiss and are made to Zeiss specs). That is why they have things like Sony SSM.
Zeiss does not make AF mechanisms for anyone. Actually a rep from Sony confirmed they no longer make the optics either. Sony does, but using the Zeiss specs.
I'd say they could probably get by on a range of three lenses, provided they released the three lenses most people wanted. The problem currently is that the three available are a basic kit zoom, a wide angle prime built more for size(publicity) than usefulness, and an enormous and expensive beast of a superzoom.
They really need to fill that vacuum left in the middle with a couple of fast affordable primes that cover a useful range - a wide, portrait and mid-telephoto would do.
The sooner they do that, the sooner the success of the whole NEX platform won't be quite so desperately hinged on the lens line-up, and people can really start to buy into it for its strengths (sensor, portability).
Very true. Sony makes all the Zeiss branded lenses. And they are pretty awesome. Just need a few for the NEX now that matches the marketed intent of the NEX system - small without sacrificing quality.
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Just Having Fun
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And the G lenses are pretty sweet too!
Yeah, except they are all huge (with the exception of the 35/1.4, which is "just" merely very big) on the NEX and the AF is about as slow as molasses. Likewise, all the Alpha Zeiss are just too big for the NEX. Indeed, if I want to use any Alpha lens, I'll just use it with my A55. I'm just hoping that Sony will not keep producing big ol' lens like the 18-200 for the NEX, and stick w/ smaller lenses.
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Armanius
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A55 body is bigger than the NEX for sure, but it's far from being a "giant beast." However, if Sony keeps releasing big lenses like the 18-200 for the NEX, the size advantage of the NEX disappears. As far as A55 taking worse pictures than the NEX, that's just wrong. I have both cameras, and the A55 has the edge in about every category from resolution, DR, and noise control. Does Photozone even have reviews of the A55 and NEX? In any event, I love both of my cameras, and do wish that Sony would come out w/ new small lenses for the NEX in the very near future.
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dmanthree
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Sorry, but you've totally misunderstood what I said. I expect no magic, but right now Sony has three lenses: a weak pancake, a decent standard zoom, and a big expensive superzoom. That won't work for me. That's it. I expect no magic.
Again, I didn't say that. I just want to know if and when Sony's planned lenses will be available. That's all. It's not too much to ask, is it?
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harold1968
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Its common sense that lenses developed for the E mount will be smaller
howver don't expect micro-small. Remember that the m4/3s needs less glass, the NEX is deceptive, it still has a full APS-C sensor
howver don't expect micro-small. Remember that the m4/3s needs less glass, the NEX is deceptive, it still has a full APS-C sensor
RussellInCincinnati
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dmanthree: I'm not a newcomer by any stretch, but until Sony provides firm release dates for certain lenses, like the tele zoom, I'm not buying in to NEX...
RussellInCincinnati: Yes, if you want a guaranteed real, full line of lenses...it is not the time to buy one yet.
dmanthree: Sorry, but you've totally misunderstood what I said. I expect no magic, but right now Sony has [only] three lenses...That won't work for me. That's it. I expect no magic.
Hmm, your response is a little odd, because I don't recall saying that you "expected magic". I.e. nobody was accusing you of being unrealistic. Wasn't I basically pretty much agreeing with you?
RussellInCincinnati: But as you imply it is not good to buy a Nex if you need a 100% guarantee that the full line of E-mount lenses exist.
dmanthree: Again, I didn't say that.
Ok, you didn't imply that it's not good to buy a Nex now. You merely said Until Sony does [X], I'm not buying into Nex .
dmanthree: I just want to know if and when Sony's planned lenses will be available. That's all. It's not too much to ask, is it?
Good thought, agreed that it would be better to know more about Sony's lens plans than to know less. It is indeed stressful that companies are always balancing
RussellInCincinnati: Yes, if you want a guaranteed real, full line of lenses...it is not the time to buy one yet.
dmanthree: Sorry, but you've totally misunderstood what I said. I expect no magic, but right now Sony has [only] three lenses...That won't work for me. That's it. I expect no magic.
Hmm, your response is a little odd, because I don't recall saying that you "expected magic". I.e. nobody was accusing you of being unrealistic. Wasn't I basically pretty much agreeing with you?
RussellInCincinnati: But as you imply it is not good to buy a Nex if you need a 100% guarantee that the full line of E-mount lenses exist.
dmanthree: Again, I didn't say that.
Ok, you didn't imply that it's not good to buy a Nex now. You merely said Until Sony does [X], I'm not buying into Nex .
dmanthree: I just want to know if and when Sony's planned lenses will be available. That's all. It's not too much to ask, is it?
Good thought, agreed that it would be better to know more about Sony's lens plans than to know less. It is indeed stressful that companies are always balancing
- Telling everything they know, against:
- The downsides: making sales of current inventory more difficult, tipping off competitors as to timing, inviting criticism if they don't meet announced timelines, locking in decisions that changing conditions might call for changing later, etc.
Might be common sense to you and me. Just don't forget to tell that to Sony!
The NEX version of the 18-200 is bigger and heavier than the Alpha version. Yes, the E version has a built-in motor and IS, but the 18-200 still goes against everything the NEX is/was supposed to stand for -- portability while still delivering excellent image quality. And I'm not knocking on the 18-200 as being a crappy lens. By all accounts, it's a fine lens. But IMO, just not the type of lens for the NEX system.
The Samsung NX also has an APS-C sensor, and it's got a couple of nice small pancake lenses. So small (relatively anyway) and fast is doable, depending on the type of lens that Sony wants to produce. It's just a matter of what does Sony want to do with the NEX? Does it make sense to produce big lenses for the NEX? Because like someone else already said, if Sony is going to give us a bunch of big lenses for the NEX, we NEX users might as well switch to Alpha's, which have better grips and balance big lenses much better. I can't speak for everyone, but I assume that most of us that have NEX's, bought the NEX, because we wanted something smaller.
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Armanius
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I do agree that small lenses aare fine, but there are two things to remember:
1. All pancake lenses are primes(Sony included). Readin g this forum you might think (almost) everyone wants prime lenses, but out in the streets people want the much more versatile zoom lenses! Only (semi) pors, and (very) advanced amatures like primes! So it makes sense Sony (who aimes the Nex to P&S upgraders) sgarted with some zooms and are going for more (prime and zoom) lenses in the near future.
I don't expect the Zeiss lenses to be (very) small. Maybe some G lenses are. I do hope they bring out some fine cheap E-mount lenses as they did for the Alpha range...
1. All pancake lenses are primes(Sony included). Readin g this forum you might think (almost) everyone wants prime lenses, but out in the streets people want the much more versatile zoom lenses! Only (semi) pors, and (very) advanced amatures like primes! So it makes sense Sony (who aimes the Nex to P&S upgraders) sgarted with some zooms and are going for more (prime and zoom) lenses in the near future.
I don't expect the Zeiss lenses to be (very) small. Maybe some G lenses are. I do hope they bring out some fine cheap E-mount lenses as they did for the Alpha range...
dmanthree
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Maybe I misunderstoof your "automagically" comment that you edited out of your reply to me. Again, I'm not expecting that, I just want Sony to let us know when the tele zoom will be available. Not a reach, really.
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Of course, "rank amateurs" are the NEX's primary target market. Pros do consider getting small kits to complement their larger DSLRs, but just from the NEX's design cues, it's pretty obvious who Sony wants the NEX to target. And so AF lenses are key.
As an aside, why the attitude towards autofocus? You're free to turn it off, and sports photographers, themselves professionals, no doubt would rather have it than not.
pjskeleton
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Actually, that makes it even greater. The 18-200 just looks big on the NEX, but it's actually small for an 18-200, especially one that's that good.
Ah well, that's a fairly subjective assessment. They use basically the same sensor and basically the same kit lens (internally anyway), so it's very much a subjective thing. Any G lens on an A55 will take very, very marginally better pictures than a NEX. Any Zeiss lens works on either, and then the lens advantages disappear.
For the most part, it's a question of physical controls and optical viewfinder vs. teensy tiny camera. Undoubtably both a full size D-SLR and a NEX are required, I have a Canon 1D IV and a NEX-3, which replaced my previous low-end kit, an A390. However, all my personal photography is done with the NEX, and all my professional shots are with the Canon. I definitely prefer the NEX right now.
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pjskeleton
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My five year old cousin can use manual focus pretty well. It's not a difficult thing at all. In either case, I was just responding to the guy bashing NEX. It's a NEX forum. Constructive criticism is good, mindless platform bashing isn't just wrong it's in violation of the rules. He needed the brutality. On topic again, yes, Sony wants to target amateurs with the NEX. But they've also made it clear they want professionals using the platform too. I don't use it professionally, as I've said I have a Canon 1D IV for that, but I use the NEX for all my personal work. It's definitely the sub $1000 camera to beat right now.
True, and I do turn it off whenever I use primes, regardless of platform. And you're also right that sports photographers would want autofocus, but they also use 70-200/300/400mm f/2 lenses that cost more than my apartment for a year. I suppose the attitude comes from using rangefinders too long, and always having considered autofocus a luxury.
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pjskeleton
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Except for that little problem that the NEX 18-200mm is small for an 18-200mm . It's a gorgeous lens. It just looks big on a NEX body.
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