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If I post images with issues like that and ask for technical critique while ignoring composition, then I would expect him to level with me. And anyone else too.
You are expecting perfection, and that will not always be the case. Some here are NOT as advanced as you, and honestly need constructive feedback, not to be told their images, "suck" Kim.
Would you have used those words with your wife, or children? If my parents constantly told me how terrible I was growing up when I first started playing baseball, I would not have turned into a Professional Baseball player. I would have quit. But they encouraged me, and they thought me, and they hung with me. That is the POSITIVE feedback I am talking about. Was I ever told that I was doing things wrong? Of course I was. But they never told me I "sucked" or was "awful".
Methinks that you would not be real happy with him if he stated those things, and you would probably let him have it. But, maybe I am wrong about you Kim, perhaps you enjoy getting all that negative feedback for some reason.
Perhaps you are confused here Conrad. Ralph posted the images and stated that he and some others are debating which is better. They are confused over which camera is better. He specifically asked for critiques. And I provided an honest critique without pecking at him as a person, as you are doing with me.
I hope you are capable of accepting the same type of constructive feedback then that you gave him. That is the GOLDEN RULE. If you honestly believe that telling someone their work "sucks" and is "really awful" is appropriate as constructive feedback, then I am truly sorry for you. It is not, under any circumstance.
Every once in a while, I post something that everyone agrees is simply terrible. And I get pounded. Very personally and very much without provocation. This tends to happen when I am mislead by my color deficiency, and the results are generally a feeding frenzy. The last time this happened, I did not react in kind, but rather continued to try to explain what I was seeing. That was ignored largely and the insults kept rolling.
The RULE applies to everyone Kim, not just you. I am not talking about only you here, everybody, (including me) must realize the importance of POSITIVE feedback. I also said that we could not stop it, but we can surely try.
I have a great friend who is color blind that I use to officiate basketball with, and you talk about problems. We did not make fun of him, we helped him during the games. We all laughed about it later, when it was clear he knew we were joking.
This forum has a disease ... we cannot stay on topic because people like you go ape-sh*t over mere language. That second image is awful ... I am not lying. And I am not telling Ralph that his camera's output makes him a bad person.
I wholeheartedly agree that this forum has a disease, that is the sole reason for my Golden Rule post. If you are refuse to be part of the solution, then you must acknowledge to be part of the problem, and that starts with the more professional usage of words. Telling someone their images "suck" and are "really awful" is in no way constructive feedback.
You stated above that people attacked you over your color deficiencies, and then you stated it upset you. So, I know by your own words that you have feelings that get hurt. The same holds true for others when YOU choose to use words and descriptions that offend.
It seriously seems to me that you have been ridiculed so many times around here that you have decided to just fire back at will. Why not ignore those who can't abide by the GOLDEN Rule and be happy within yourself? Is it really so important to gain revenge?
I was taught at a very young age this very important piece of information, and it still holds true today. Here it is.
If you say something nice to someone, they will be your friend. If you want to ridicule, attack or insult someone, they will be your enemy for life. It is YOUR choice to make the decisions. And finally, as Jeff Kent, (former professional baseball player) once said. "I am not here to make friends, I am here to win and make money." He accomplished his goals.
I will respectfully bow out as gracefully as I can in order to not offend any further. That was indeed not my intent.
Conrad.
My opinion is that POSITIVE feedback usually is met with much better results.
Do as you say, but not as you do. What a hypocrite you have turned out to be.
I am sure your children would agree.
That is a disgustingly low blow ... so we can add bottom-feeder to hypocrite and forum cop.
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