L lens vs non L

Wow, what an insanely naive and simplistic outlook on life. I'm glad you exist for the French economy, I suppose. Your list if non-L lenses.....most are fairly poor lenses, really. You should really try more than the 50mm f1.8 (good IQ, terrible build and AF) or the 75-300 and their ilk before pronouncing all non L lenses garbage. I own both of these lenses too, and they've been replace, with good reason, I with an L lens, the other with a Sigma EX lens.

Other issues here....7D is of the pro line, thus the xD name. Would I be correct to think you have a 5Dmk2 then? By all tests the 17-55 F2.8 IS USM is BETTER than several L lenses in terms of image quality, the reason they are not made for full frame cameras is simple, they are optimized for crop sensor cameras.

You speak as though you believe that I do not own any L lenses, I in fact have L glass in the bag and have shot with several L lenses. The experience with them has been mainly good, but I wouldn't say better than my experiences with some Sigma EX lenses.

Lastly, by your logic 5dmk2 is a mid range camera, so you should be ashamed for buying such a POS if you have one, as it isn't a 1dsmk3. (currently the most expensive Canon body) Certainly the 1dmk4 costs more than 5dmk2, so it must be better in every way. And really you shouldn't bother with Canon, Leica is far more expensive, and therefore better.

Sony TVs are better than Samsung, though Samsung makes the panels for several Sony models, the Sony versions MUST be better, they cost more! This isn't sarcasm, rather proof by counterexample.
 
Sony TV's are the best

L glass is the best

7D is not a pro camera

Michelin tires are the best

Bose speakers are the best

You get what you pay for always in life

FYI I own both the 5D Mark II and the 7D which I use for very different photography applications.

Sorry to hear you are not impressed with L glass , you should switch over to Nikon then.

Vino Vino 06
 
Apparently you have difficulty reading, I mentioned that I own some L lenses. I have also owned and shot Nikon cameras, the interface isn't for me, thanks.

I may now move forward in life knowing to ignore any opinion on hardware that is ever posted by you, as you are driven by motives other than logic and reason, but rather ignorance and contradiction.

You can bring up to Canon why they numbered 7D in their pro line if you'd like, apparently you know better.
 
"L" is a badge (red ring) that Canon gives to the lenses they feel are designed as their own "Best in Class."

I have two -- the 100L and the 70 -200 f2.8 L. They are both great wide open for what they are. They are both fast to focus for what they are. They are both extremely well built for what they are. For these attributes, they trump 10 other non-L lenses I've owned.

"L" does mean something to Canon -- and it means something to me because I respect Canon's opinion on what deserves the "L" badge.
I saw a post recently that made me wonder. For cameras on this forum, are L lenses really noticeably better than high quality non L lenses? I'm sure for full frame cameras an L is better. This is after all what they are designed for. But are they really better for our cameras? This includes lenses from Sigma and Tamron?

I know that emotion is going to have some effect on opinions, but I would like to (try) to put emotion aside so that we can understand the facts.

Thanks,
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Randy
 
Vino

If you only buy the top of the line, why are you shooting a 5DII? - this is far from the top of the line Canon camera. By your own comments, you only buy the best and this is far from the best that Canon offers.

I have a multitude of 'L" lenses, many more than you have, and still shoot the 17-55 f2.8 and 10-22 which both are excellent lenses, on my crop body. I do not know of an "L" lens that will out perform the 17-55 on a 7D.

The 7D is as much as a professional camera as the 5D - just fulfills a different purpose and achieves results in macro and telephoto and in sports that the 5D is not capable of. Although quality usually increases with price, high prices do not always denote the best and there are bargans to be had at modest prices. Every lens and camera has to be evaluated on its abilities not its cost.

You sound like a SNOB that can not afford the best or you wiould be shooting the 1 Series.
 
With respect to EF-S lens , they were developed for crop cameras ( short back ) 50D , 60D , 7D and so on. Notice that Canon did not make them usable on their pro or sub pro cameras like 5D Mark II . I hear that some of them are very good , but they are a step below the performance , build and glass of an L lense.
A step above, actually. This is the reason they exist. They do not have L eqiuvalents.
If EF-S lenses are as good as an L lens , then why did Canon only make them usable on all sub-pro cameras ?
You mean FF bodies? Apparently, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
With respect to EF-S lens , they were developed for crop cameras ( short back ) 50D , 60D , 7D and so on. Notice that Canon did not make them usable on their pro or sub pro cameras like 5D Mark II . I hear that some of them are very good , but they are a step below the performance , build and glass of an L lense.
A step above, actually. This is the reason they exist. They do not have L eqiuvalents.
It is sad imo that Canon has not launched a 24 -70 f2.8 IS II for FF

The 17-55 IS is a great deep dof lens for crop for what it is -- FF equivalent of 27-88 F4.5 IS. The 15-85 IS is a great crop lens for what it is. The sigma 8-16 is a great lens for what it is. These all get my Orange badge ;)
If EF-S lenses are as good as an L lens , then why did Canon only make them usable on all sub-pro cameras ?
You mean FF bodies? Apparently, you have no idea what you are talking about.
pro vs non-pro? Yep, he doesn't know pro when he sees it -- pro is results from all types of cameras
 
Simples... You get what you pay for in life, I get the impression that lesser mortals think we look down on you EF-S little people... Your right we do!!!
 
I'm sure it's nice to be drinking Canon's Kool-Aid, but what you say is basically wrong, IMHO, and nothing more than a broad generalization. The 17-40L is a great example. Decent lens, but way outclassed in color, contrast, CA, not to mention overall utility by the EF-S 17-55, which is a fair amount more expensive, BTW. L lenses are great and I'm happy to own a couple (100L Macro and 100-400L), but your statement is a very broad generalization and in particular some of the newer non L lenses absolutely can outclass the L's or at the very least be easily equivalent. Sorry but have to agree totally with Peter13 on this one.
L lenses are uniformly sharp, in my experience, but what impresses me most about them is the finesse with which they render color. It is truly opulent compared to their non-L sibs.

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OMG, another Canon Kool-Aid drinker. L lenses are excellent and I happily own a couple and have had others in the past. But to blindly suggest that because of the red ring they are in all respects better than their non L counterparts is unbelievable naivete. You have no idea what you're talking about, or for that matter, obviously little or no experience with some of the better of Canon's non L series (10-22, 17-55, 60mm macro for starters). All of these exhibit L IQ in all respects... possibly slightly lower build quality, which may or may not be an issue for specific photographic uses). The examples you gave earlier were definitely NOT some of Canon's better consumer lenses and comparing them with anything in the L series is ridiculous.

Like all generalizations, yours is as full of holes as a swiss cheese. But, if Canon were reading your posts, I'm sure you'd get a nice thank you note from them. They just love folks that ignore reality and blindly buy into the marketing.
Sony TV's are the best

L glass is the best

7D is not a pro camera

Michelin tires are the best

Bose speakers are the best

You get what you pay for always in life

FYI I own both the 5D Mark II and the 7D which I use for very different photography applications.

Sorry to hear you are not impressed with L glass , you should switch over to Nikon then.

Vino Vino 06
 
What some people fail to understand that the same lens performs differently on a crop and on an FF body. An EF-S lens, mounted on an FF body (with tweaks), will give you black corners most of the time but a sharper center. Obviously, not a great lens for an FF body, unless you want to crop. An FF lens, mounted on a crop body will give you better uniformity but poor center sharpness. Wide open, any loss of sharpness in the center hurts, that is why an EF-S lens is a better tool, when it exists. For example, the EF-60 macro is sharer than the 100 macro on a crop, the 17-55 is much better than the more expensive 16-35 on a crop, and than the 17-40, the 24-105, the 24-70, etc.

EF-S lenses are designed for a crop body - to cover a smaller circle. This allows for better performance on that circle. It is hard to imagine what a monster an EF 10-22 would look like. Yet, the EF-S 10-22 is not only the best UWA (Canon) for a crop camera but there is no EF L lens of that FL. BTW, many FF users find the 17-40 to perform poorly in the corners on an FF body compared to the 10-22 on a crop body, but better in the center, as can be expected. Also, the 10-22 distorts less, and it is wider (crop vs. FF). The solution on FF seems to be the new Tokina.
I'm sure it's nice to be drinking Canon's Kool-Aid, but what you say is basically wrong, IMHO, and nothing more than a broad generalization. The 17-40L is a great example. Decent lens, but way outclassed in color, contrast, CA, not to mention overall utility by the EF-S 17-55, which is a fair amount more expensive, BTW. L lenses are great and I'm happy to own a couple (100L Macro and 100-400L), but your statement is a very broad generalization and in particular some of the newer non L lenses absolutely can outclass the L's or at the very least be easily equivalent. Sorry but have to agree totally with Peter13 on this one.
L lenses are uniformly sharp, in my experience, but what impresses me most about them is the finesse with which they render color. It is truly opulent compared to their non-L sibs.

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http://www.chezjeaux.blogspot.com
 
Sony TV's are the best
Not really. They have great pictures while they last. The problem is they don't last as well as other TV's and their support stinks. I've had just the opposite Samsung. Great TV, fantastic service. A lot of Sony's other products are far inferior to other brands that cost less.
L glass is the best

7D is not a pro camera
Nonsense. There are pros on this forum that use the 7D in pro applications.
Michelin tires are the best
Dunlap and Perrelli both have tires that are as good as if not better
Bose speakers are the best
This is a joke. Bose has great marketing, not great speakers.
You get what you pay for always in life
Not really. There is are lot of over priced products out there, like Bose or Sony, that are not nearly as good as some of the less expensive products.
Sorry to hear you are not impressed with L glass , you should switch over to Nikon then.
Why should they go to Nikon? That has nothing to do with it. That's just you blowing smoke. They said that some non L lenses are as good as some L lenses. Especially a few of the EF-S lenses. That does not mean that a cheaper version will be anywhere close to an L or even a top non L.

As the OP, I requested that we try and put emotion out of it and go try and go for the facts. You failed to do this.
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Randy
 
The answer is of course no. It's just a brandname or brand image.
 
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Yeah Bose is a big joke. Sony is just a has been. They now only make second rate TV but still charge first rate price. It's one of the worst buys compares to some other Korean and Japanese makers.

Apparently mr. vino makes his product research only by comercials.
 
You fit exactly the profile of little guy who wants to drive a big truck.
 

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