Fz100......Sparrow Hawk

Finally. Somebody mentions that it is soft. I thought perhaps it was just me or we were being extra kind to the OP. It is a wonderful shot, but I would expect more crispness from the latest FZ cameras.
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Well done..Sweet light
 
With all due respect sir...I like this photo much better than I do the one with your Hawk grasping the fish while in flight...

I guess it all comes down to preference? There is plenty of detail and at 600mm MOST folks would never have gotten this shot or had to crop to the max and PP...the photo with no PP is just awesome to me and I would not hesitate to frame it...

SD doesn't look soft to me at all it looks awesome! Very well done...
 
Gee, I thought I had left all of the defensiveness tonight over at the Dancing With the Stars Message Board. Since it is a matter of personal taste, I think it's a great capture that looks a bit softer than I would like. By the way, I usually like your photos. No need to jump on someone for expressing a preference.
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V please don't take this wrong...it wasn't meant that way...it just seems that at 600mm with a Superzoom we are expecting DSLR detailed photos...believe me I shot the FZ35 with the TC-E17ED against the FZ100 at 600mm and the IQ could not be closer...I guess me knowing this has me also stating my preference...to me if this photo had been taken with the CCD Sensor at 600mm zoom you would be able to see it, where the CMOS Sensor gives the photo a DSLR like quality along with a seemingly better bokeh...maybe I am the one thats crazy V...BUT please believe me it wasn't meant defensively so don't take it that way...

I "deeply" respect ALL of your's and Harvey Dad's post!!!!! Sorry if I didn't "say" something exactly right...I'll be the first to admit my communication skills suck...and my wife can confirm it!...lol...
Gee, I thought I had left all of the defensiveness tonight over at the Dancing With the Stars Message Board. Since it is a matter of personal taste, I think it's a great capture that looks a bit softer than I would like. By the way, I usually like your photos. No need to jump on someone for expressing a preference.
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No, sorry guys I really like this shot...hope I don't offend anyone...definitely not meant that way!

If you really compare this to a lot of the shots available it is an excellent shot...

Here's one with the FZ35 as I was shooting with a LT55 and he flew in and landed 30-35ft away up in a tree and I got some shots with spot metering...the hawk is much better...
Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/4485557049/in/photostream/

 
IMO that owl is very good considering the distance and the fierce backlighting (you have PF ;-)). Getting in close, with very careful focusing (there's always a tendency to rush the shot with birds) in good light seems to be the answer. I see plenty of DSLR bird photos inferior to the OP's fine Sparrowhawk, but the best BIFs all come from DSLRs and are in a much higher league than P&S.
No, sorry guys I really like this shot...hope I don't offend anyone...definitely not meant that way!

If you really compare this to a lot of the shots available it is an excellent shot...

Here's one with the FZ35 as I was shooting with a LT55 and he flew in and landed 30-35ft away up in a tree and I got some shots with spot metering...the hawk is much better...
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Sorry I stand corrected on my Contrast comment above...I dowloaded the original and got the EXIF...the Saturation was high and this causes softness/painting of details on the FZ100...

SD you had your camera setup VERY close...if you had dropped the Saturation to -1 or even -2 it would have sharpened it up SOOC nicely...

Still a very nice impressive shot...wall hanger for me...I even set it as wallpaper on Desktop....lol...thanks for sharing the SOOC photo...you are a gentleman and a scholar!
 
That's true, but you have to meter for the white feathers. Even then with all but the best cameras you may need to compromise. This L1 shot was cropped 50% from 600mm no IS and then reduced. The L1 is not the best at DR not even close to the best.



The FZ30 is worse.





Here's the FZ30 with TC 669mm cropped about 40%



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It seems strange that one goes looking for poor examples to show how good the shot of the hawk is. You can find bad examples with any camera. I know the OP is a very good bird photographer as I have seen other shots with the same camera. The light on the hawk looks perfect, but as others have pointed out, the FZ100 doesn't seem at its best when stretched to the limit of its zoom. Any birder knows that to pull in detail at distance requires perfect conditions, especially light, then it needs a lens and camera that can retain detail at a distance. Sharpening an blurred image may make it look sharper but it doesn't add any real detail.

One very good birder on the forum has the FZ100 and has I think the FZ35, even he concludes that the FZ100 can't retain the detail at the long end. The lens I use for birding is mediocre quality, and considered too soft for serious use, but when combined with a model that has excellent sharpness, the E510 as opposed to the E520 or E620 and you get acceptable results.

Your owl shot was obviously taken under very tough lighting, and it is obvious no PP was applied.
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The Owl did have PP Jim, probably not the right PP...lol...but I did do the best "I" could...the PP kept turning his butt feathers greener like the underside of the tree limbs...

I tried the E620 and it just didn't perform for me...most likely ALL of my problems with cameras and photos is "me"...

What I was trying to say with the shot taken at 600mm the FZ35 wouldn't have gotten any better detail with it's limited zoom of 486 and then cropped...as you can see even the ones with a TC on board are sometimes not great at all...

I still like this photo and these birds have all just recieved "new" feathers for the winter...I will get out and do some birding at home with the FZ100 and hopefully get some good detailed shots to post...

I would be very satisfied with this photo of this hawk I assure you...

Another where the FZ35 was softer as it did several for me also so I really think the FZ100 is going to do ok:
Link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/4485558027/in/photostream/



And another with FZ35:
Link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/4484243896/in/photostream/


It seems strange that one goes looking for poor examples to show how good the shot of the hawk is. You can find bad examples with any camera. I know the OP is a very good bird photographer as I have seen other shots with the same camera. The light on the hawk looks perfect, but as others have pointed out, the FZ100 doesn't seem at its best when stretched to the limit of its zoom. Any birder knows that to pull in detail at distance requires perfect conditions, especially light, then it needs a lens and camera that can retain detail at a distance. Sharpening an blurred image may make it look sharper but it doesn't add any real detail.

One very good birder on the forum has the FZ100 and has I think the FZ35, even he concludes that the FZ100 can't retain the detail at the long end. The lens I use for birding is mediocre quality, and considered too soft for serious use, but when combined with a model that has excellent sharpness, the E510 as opposed to the E520 or E620 and you get acceptable results.

Your owl shot was obviously taken under very tough lighting, and it is obvious no PP was applied.
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