Ernest Tam
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What breakthrough technology (R&D) in D7K you haven't seem in other Nikon bodies?
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Is it just me, or is the d7000 over priced?
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Thanks for your enshusiam but sorry, the only review I read is DPR. My first DSLR is Pentax and over the years I have learned how to see through all those hypes. By the way, do you know that Pentax already gives cashback for K-5 in EU? Talk about over-priced.
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Ernest Tam
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Agree!
Afford it or not is personal matter.
Afford it or not is personal matter.
Osiris30
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Ernest:
The D7K is a new AF subsystem and a new metering subsystem. That means both hardware and software work to support those (firmware development is expensive and time consuming as is the testing cycle... especially for something like AF which is as much black magic as logic).
Look at it this way.. the D7K is $200 more than the D90 was at launch (if memory serves). For this it got a brand new AF design, brand new metering sensor, brand new dual card setup, weathersealing... what technology in the D7K do you not see being worth at least $200 more than the D90 was at launch? Even if that number was $400, I would make the same arguement.
Steve
PS: I never claimed it was 'breakthrough' technology, I said new. Please don't go putting words in my mouth when I've been rather careful to choose them correctly the first time around.
The D7K is a new AF subsystem and a new metering subsystem. That means both hardware and software work to support those (firmware development is expensive and time consuming as is the testing cycle... especially for something like AF which is as much black magic as logic).
Look at it this way.. the D7K is $200 more than the D90 was at launch (if memory serves). For this it got a brand new AF design, brand new metering sensor, brand new dual card setup, weathersealing... what technology in the D7K do you not see being worth at least $200 more than the D90 was at launch? Even if that number was $400, I would make the same arguement.
Steve
PS: I never claimed it was 'breakthrough' technology, I said new. Please don't go putting words in my mouth when I've been rather careful to choose them correctly the first time around.
sandy b
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Nikon will sell as many of them as it can make. That means the price is right, for the market. Individual needs are obviously different.
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Silenus
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D7000 is a damn bargain at it's current price. I would have easily paid $1500 for it, body only!
Ernest Tam
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That's exactly the point, there is no breakthrough technology in D7K. Yes, it is a new camera. But to me, it is just a bunch of parts put together from other bodies. How new is the AF system and firmware? or I should ask how different compare to other bodies? Are you in the camera R&D business? There is a high chance that it is a feature reduced system from D300s + D700 + D3s etc. Yes, it is complicated for us but not for Nikon.
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no-- I will not buy it for that much for a body..I am not you and you are not me I guess..so please stop giving Nikon any ideas
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Osiris30
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Ernest Tam:
I would answer these questions for you, but I doubt you would believe me. Go look at the numbering for Nikon's AF systems and what it means.. then go look at the numbers for the AF system on the D7K and you'll see it is not a stripped down D3 focus system, but a brand new design.
Same thing for the metering system. It has more metering pixels than any other Nikon camera body I know of. I respect your right to disagree with my statements and assertions. That said I don't think you've done enough homework based on your responses to make an informed choice about agreeing or disagreeing (not an attack, just a statement of fact). You're making many assumptions, as am I. The difference is yours are made with far less input (I'm guessing based on the nature of the comments).
Finally I have done camera (not consumer SLR, but industrial high-speed imaging) work before, so yes I have done camera (all the way from sensor investigation to final product including firmware work) R&D before.
Steve
I would answer these questions for you, but I doubt you would believe me. Go look at the numbering for Nikon's AF systems and what it means.. then go look at the numbers for the AF system on the D7K and you'll see it is not a stripped down D3 focus system, but a brand new design.
Same thing for the metering system. It has more metering pixels than any other Nikon camera body I know of. I respect your right to disagree with my statements and assertions. That said I don't think you've done enough homework based on your responses to make an informed choice about agreeing or disagreeing (not an attack, just a statement of fact). You're making many assumptions, as am I. The difference is yours are made with far less input (I'm guessing based on the nature of the comments).
Finally I have done camera (not consumer SLR, but industrial high-speed imaging) work before, so yes I have done camera (all the way from sensor investigation to final product including firmware work) R&D before.
Steve
Ernest Tam
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Isn't that the beauty of marketing? Changing number here and there and you have a brand new design. If D7K's internal is brand new design from zero and totally not related to what Nikon has offered before, maybe they should position it higher than D300s then.
AF sensor's spec. is lower than D300s.
Yes, new metering sensor. It would be interesting to see if future body all have similar 2016-pixel RGB sensor (2x pixel than D3X).
AF sensor's spec. is lower than D300s.
Yes, new metering sensor. It would be interesting to see if future body all have similar 2016-pixel RGB sensor (2x pixel than D3X).
Osiris30
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Ernest:
Like I said.. historically Nikon's AF naming scheme has meant something. While it's possible they've discontinued it I don't see why they would. It's not like they are hard up for business. It's also not like a lot of people know what it means, so there would be little gain to doing it for marketing reasons.
As for the metering sensor, I'm sure you'll see if flow forward. My guess is the D7K is a field testbed for both before they get rolled up into the D400. Canon used to do the same thing with their AF systems (pre digital).. and it cost them a boatload of potential higher end product sales, hence they stopped.
Either way, all of this is pretty much 'known' information (at least to my eyes) if you want to go look for it. I stand by my assertion that the D7K is priced aggressively as it is.
Steve
Like I said.. historically Nikon's AF naming scheme has meant something. While it's possible they've discontinued it I don't see why they would. It's not like they are hard up for business. It's also not like a lot of people know what it means, so there would be little gain to doing it for marketing reasons.
As for the metering sensor, I'm sure you'll see if flow forward. My guess is the D7K is a field testbed for both before they get rolled up into the D400. Canon used to do the same thing with their AF systems (pre digital).. and it cost them a boatload of potential higher end product sales, hence they stopped.
Either way, all of this is pretty much 'known' information (at least to my eyes) if you want to go look for it. I stand by my assertion that the D7K is priced aggressively as it is.
Steve
GarysInSoCal
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It's NOT just the sum of all the parts you're paying for... what about that research & development team of talented digital professionals who logged in 100s of hours in testing, parts configuration and development into builting your D7000... do you expect them to work for free?
Ernest Tam
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Canon and Sony are using cheap R&D labour then??
Ernest Tam
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Are you going to switch system? Where do you pre-order?
Happy shooting.
Happy shooting.
NowHearThis
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what's with the long buffer clearing delay after only taking 7 shots. That's too annoying for me. I wish they'd improve the optical qualities of that kit lens too (not to mention the range - guess we'll have to wait and see what their 18-135 is like).
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He's comparing to other cameras... there was R&D involved in those models too... right ?
R&D is a moot point.
NowHearThis
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The short answer is no; Would we all like the price to be lower - yes. That said, the D7000 is a bargain in comparison to the Canon 60D, not only are many of the specs better, but you have to spend upwards of $700, for a lens that will give you better IQ than the 18-105; Canon's 18-55 is OK, but not as good, the 18-135 is worse but with a longer range.... So you'll have to spend $1700 in Canon to better (using that term loosely) the $1500 D7000. Remember it's not just about the body, glass is important too.
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