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Module M (Leica) for the GXR
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Pavel Kudrys
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This is an interesting information! Let's hope it's not just a rumor 
Google translation:
Next year, Ricoh wants a wide-angle lens with APS-C sensor module and a bayonet bring that enables the use of Leica M lenses.
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Google translation:
Next year, Ricoh wants a wide-angle lens with APS-C sensor module and a bayonet bring that enables the use of Leica M lenses.
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It seems clear enough to me:
Update: Ricoh GXR A12: Festbrennweiten- und Bajonettmodul
Mit dem 28-mm-Modul A12 bringt Ricoh die vierte Sensor-Objektiveinheit für das GXR-System. Ein Bajonett-Modul für Leica M soll folgen.
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Update: Ricoh GXR A12: Festbrennweiten- und Bajonettmodul
Mit dem 28-mm-Modul A12 bringt Ricoh die vierte Sensor-Objektiveinheit für das GXR-System. Ein Bajonett-Modul für Leica M soll folgen.
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VladimirV
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A bit late to leave it till next year if you ask me but I hope Ricoh can still catch all the remaining users who have not moved to m4/3 or any of the other alternatives.This is an interesting information! Let's hope it's not just a rumor
Google translation:
Next year, Ricoh wants a wide-angle lens with APS-C sensor module and a bayonet bring that enables the use of Leica M lenses.
The GXR needs a module with interchangeable lenses to really compete with the current mirrorless cameras, two APS modules are simply not enough. I hope Ricoh will also release a new body for the GXR with theOVF/EVF system and controls from the Fuji X100.
If Ricoh really wants to make something special then bring a module that can actually auto focus the Contax G lenses (since there is no decent alternative even for MF these lenses right now) and allow the use of M-lenses via an adapter.
Basically I want that rumored Gontax G2 digital but it seems Fuji is much closer to delivering it than Ricoh.
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Harold66
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well yes and no . I would rather a tele lens than a zoom but of course market will decideThis is an interesting information! Let's hope it's not just a rumor
if this is true, it means I am continually baffled at how the market ignore portrait lens for compacts which is still the number one that most people photograph
for the time being , there is no real other alternatives
the other options are clearly aimed at a different type of users
I think the new body that you mention should be THE priority and not only because of the fuji X100
do you realize how Tiny such a market would be ???
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VladimirV
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What users would that be? I see lots of alternatives, all which are seling much better.
You are right, not because of the Fuji X100 but because Ricoh has received feedback to build such a body for quite while.
Yes, but you do realize how tiny Ricoh's market is outside of Japan? No matter how "tiny" a market for a AF G-mount module with Leica M adapter might be, it will be bigger than whatever market the GXR has in the current state.
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I still think that a body with no controls, just usb and maybe power (if you can't get enough from the usb) would be a good move. Then the PC becomes the screen and controls.
Also that other camera that no one talks about here, the G700SE, that looks like the sort of thing you sell 10 of millions of to Govt agencies or big corporate. It's feature set implies a couple of specific made to order usecases rolled into a single product.
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Harold66
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yes I do . and as what you suggest is a module for the GXR that takes contax G lens, that means that DE FACTO it would interest only a portion ( and most likely a very small one at that) of the people who have or want a GXR
so a portion of a tiny portion would be... what minuscule
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Funny, I didn't see that mention of what I assume is a Leica bayonet mount the first time I looked at it. I should be focussing on my house projects..... It's a curse sometimes.
That is smart I reckon, just for braggin' rights. I doubt I can afford many a Leica lens these days. Must say, I have a ***** of a time with actual manual focus. Is it easier with the EVF?
That is smart I reckon, just for braggin' rights. I doubt I can afford many a Leica lens these days. Must say, I have a ***** of a time with actual manual focus. Is it easier with the EVF?
Nice surprise, the G700SE. I have its predecessor, the 500SE-B which I bought to have and use both slightly under water and in rain and when the weather gets really bad. Although I don't use that GPS / compass that came with my used one, I've wondered however Ricoh was going to ditch these accessories which functions that people in some industries might find useful. As far as I know there was no G600SE.
Unfortunately the G600 wasn't exactly a big step in the right direction. That pentax/Sanyo zoom which also is used in the G600 (As well as in Pentax Optio w60, w80 and w90) now remain in the G700, have more barrel distortion and slightly soft corners, according to some users (Eb just) and also a review http://www.trustedreviews.com/digital-cameras/review/2008/11/21/Ricoh-G600/p6
The 500G/SE (which is based on the GX8) uses a bigger sensor (1/1.8", same as in the GRD1) than the G600 (1/2.3") Although the G600 have better clarity and sometimes better AWB outdoors (the 500G/SE should be set to cloudy/overcast to perform more consistent) I would say that the 500G/SE overall have better IQ.
I made a comparison in which the G600 actually looked better, mostly because I at that time hadn't figured out how to get rid of that randomly purple cast (already in the camera in stead of PP) which sometimes shows up when AWB is used http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1013&message=35111981
The noise reduction of the G600 is more like the R8 and it smear a little bit of detail and the noise dont look that good either while the 500G/SE is like the GRD1 (although not exactly that good) which is pretty good at produce grainy noise up to iso 800.
However the 500G/SE can sometimes show up an almost obvious banding (mostly at iso 400 and up but may show up lower down also) in dark parts of the images that I can't remember having seen in any of my pictures from the G600 (new are expensive but I found a used one at the auction site) which I owned for some months.
The G600 is a much smaller/neat design. However its quirks didn't suit me very well and I fell out with it, decided to buy an other used 400G, a camera which I really like as well as keep the 500SE.
I've thread with plenty of findings from having used the 300G, 400G wide, 500SE and the G600 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1013&message=33824105
Andrewteee
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Nothing like lugging your laptop along with your serious compact...
How about what the Marketers decide? A lot of this comes down to how well the market is defined and how clearly a product is in turn defined to the target market...... I personally feel that in terms of function, the potential buyer is limited to a pretty serious photographer, not a casual person looking for a better point and shoot. Aesthetically, the Ricoh cameras are beautiful objects relative to a whole lot of the competition. Aesthetically, they have a very wide appeal. It's just a little incongruous in that sense. Form does follow function, but there is more going on than meets the eye.
As far as the market goes.... How do you define the market? Do you think for example all twenty of us here on Ricoh Talk honestly represent the market for this camera as a whole. I sincerely doubt that could be an accurate claim. Most people do not torture themselves over the purchase of a camera. The bulk of the posts here are attempts to point out the shortcomings of a particular design and how they would have done better. That alone makes us outliers in a sense.
There is an understanding of what the GXR does. There are also the expectations for the how or what the camera should be - here on this forum. This group probably, as a guess, has a pretty good understanding of what the camera does well or not so well.
The threads in this forum suggests to me, that the expectations aren't always realistic with respect to the state of technology or design intentions. In that sense, we here probably don't reflect the market for this camera so much as the next one coming.... This forum is always about what is next, how much better it could be, on and on.
Is it true? Ricoh produces 5000 GXR cameras a month. If so. It is clearly ,more about Ricoh deciding the market than the other way around.
As far as the market goes.... How do you define the market? Do you think for example all twenty of us here on Ricoh Talk honestly represent the market for this camera as a whole. I sincerely doubt that could be an accurate claim. Most people do not torture themselves over the purchase of a camera. The bulk of the posts here are attempts to point out the shortcomings of a particular design and how they would have done better. That alone makes us outliers in a sense.
There is an understanding of what the GXR does. There are also the expectations for the how or what the camera should be - here on this forum. This group probably, as a guess, has a pretty good understanding of what the camera does well or not so well.
The threads in this forum suggests to me, that the expectations aren't always realistic with respect to the state of technology or design intentions. In that sense, we here probably don't reflect the market for this camera so much as the next one coming.... This forum is always about what is next, how much better it could be, on and on.
Is it true? Ricoh produces 5000 GXR cameras a month. If so. It is clearly ,more about Ricoh deciding the market than the other way around.
quite true
For my whinge I might wonder if the adapter for Leica mount lenses are exactly the best way to go but it might be in keeping with the desire to position Ricoh as a successor to Leica in the market. Something better than the mainstream can offer.
I can vouch that legacy manual focus lenses do work well and apparently on any EVIL-type camera system and I can see no reason why a GXR with adapter could not also work well. But no one but Ricoh can make them.
I am not sure whether such a thing as a Leica mount to another lens mount adapter might exist. But if so we might see some quaint lash-up's such as GXR body, Ricoh Leica mount adapter, (say) Leica mount to pk mount adapter (if such a thing were possible) and a manual pk mount lens hanging in front. How fun ...
Now we have a four-part camera and the dust can still get on the sensor.
Might be amusing clicking away and finding one of the middle bits has been left in the other kit bag (grin).
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Tom Caldwell
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For my whinge I might wonder if the adapter for Leica mount lenses are exactly the best way to go but it might be in keeping with the desire to position Ricoh as a successor to Leica in the market. Something better than the mainstream can offer.
I can vouch that legacy manual focus lenses do work well and apparently on any EVIL-type camera system and I can see no reason why a GXR with adapter could not also work well. But no one but Ricoh can make them.
I am not sure whether such a thing as a Leica mount to another lens mount adapter might exist. But if so we might see some quaint lash-up's such as GXR body, Ricoh Leica mount adapter, (say) Leica mount to pk mount adapter (if such a thing were possible) and a manual pk mount lens hanging in front. How fun ...
Now we have a four-part camera and the dust can still get on the sensor.
Might be amusing clicking away and finding one of the middle bits has been left in the other kit bag (grin).
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Tom Caldwell
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Every other interchangeable-lens mirrorless camera from Sony, Panasonic and Olympus has offered this ability almost from the beginning, with ring adapter. I think the first was for the Panasonic G1, two years ago.A bit late to leave it till next year if you ask meThis is an interesting information! Let's hope it's not just a rumor
Google translation:
Next year, Ricoh wants a wide-angle lens with APS-C sensor module and a bayonet bring that enables the use of Leica M lenses.
Chris Dennehy
Leading Member
I don't have a GXR so these dimensions are guesswork based on dp-reviews data.
The GXR is 29mm thick and the long side of the body which supports the lens module appears to be around 10-12mm thick leaving about 17-19mm for the depth of the lens carrying module without lens.
Therefore, so long as the distance from any lens's mount to the sensor plane is greater than the 17-19mm, it should be possible to fit any make of lens to the GXR as the adapter market for the micro 4/3 and NEX/NX systems show.
Therefore if, in the first instance, Ricoh produce a module for the M Leica it should be possible for any other lens adapter made to suit the Leica to be coupled directly to it so opening up a very wide range of lenses.
The choice of the Leica M mount is reasonable, not solely because of the status of Leitz lenses, but because it is a rangefinder mount and has a very short flange to sensor plane distance compared to SLR/DSLR, meaning that once the mechanics of actual mount is worked out the rest is basically an extension tube to get the lens/sensor distance correct. The number of lenses which would immediately fit the GXR would then be vast, whether you want the bulk and weight of them is another matter.
If Ricoh do indeed choose the Leica M mount then the problem they have to solve is the matter of auto-focusing as Leica's are strictly manual focus via an optical viewfinder, so perhaps the Hybrid Fuji electronic/optical viewfinder or something similar might have to come into the equation.
By the way, my wife says I can buy 2 copies of the New Leica M Titanium at £20,000 a throw in case one breaks down, now if I could just get that in writing.......
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The GXR is 29mm thick and the long side of the body which supports the lens module appears to be around 10-12mm thick leaving about 17-19mm for the depth of the lens carrying module without lens.
Therefore, so long as the distance from any lens's mount to the sensor plane is greater than the 17-19mm, it should be possible to fit any make of lens to the GXR as the adapter market for the micro 4/3 and NEX/NX systems show.
Therefore if, in the first instance, Ricoh produce a module for the M Leica it should be possible for any other lens adapter made to suit the Leica to be coupled directly to it so opening up a very wide range of lenses.
The choice of the Leica M mount is reasonable, not solely because of the status of Leitz lenses, but because it is a rangefinder mount and has a very short flange to sensor plane distance compared to SLR/DSLR, meaning that once the mechanics of actual mount is worked out the rest is basically an extension tube to get the lens/sensor distance correct. The number of lenses which would immediately fit the GXR would then be vast, whether you want the bulk and weight of them is another matter.
If Ricoh do indeed choose the Leica M mount then the problem they have to solve is the matter of auto-focusing as Leica's are strictly manual focus via an optical viewfinder, so perhaps the Hybrid Fuji electronic/optical viewfinder or something similar might have to come into the equation.
By the way, my wife says I can buy 2 copies of the New Leica M Titanium at £20,000 a throw in case one breaks down, now if I could just get that in writing.......
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LarryLatchkey
Active member
Good news! Google translations are, well, not perfect... Anyway, apparently Ricoh announced the release of a wideangle ZOOM APS-C module in addition to the M-mount module.
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