E-PL1 Questions from a Nikon DSLR user

Started Sep 7, 2010 | Discussions thread
Sam Bennett
Sam Bennett Veteran Member • Posts: 4,402
Re: I'm not just talking about AF...

fermy wrote:

I'm not saying that the E-PL1 is a horrible camera and that anyone who owns one is a fool. It didn't work for my style of shooting - but that's just how I shoot, YMMV.

Exactly. If you wrote that face detect is unusable, I would not have an issue. I don't use face detect, so I can not tell.

Fair enough.

Maybe others would confirm/deny your experience. I use single frame autofocus and I don't see any lag at all in liveview . So it's not a matter of lag being unimportant, it is simply not there.

In your particular use.

There's a difference between FPS performance and shot-to-shot performance. I'm not a "spray and pray" kind of guy - my problem with the E-PL1 is that it's hard to see what's going on through the LCD (even just for framing a non-"action" shot) due to the instable Live View feed and lengthy viewfinder blackout .

This I don't understand (the bold part) at all. The viewfinder blackout after shot is a fraction of a second. How can it prevent you from getting non-action shot ?

I think part of the problem here is defining what's an "action shot", or not. Here's my version of an "action shot", from the professional work I do:



For that kind of work, clearly, any MFT will be insufficient and I have no expectation that I'll ever be able to do this kind of work. The place I found the E-PL1 to be problematic is where either you or your subject is moving and you need to be able to track with that movement. You can see in the video my style of shooting. I don't just stand in one place while I'm shooting - I'm often reframing the shot as I go to get a more optimal angle, or get a few different angles to choose from. When shooting kids the focus is typically on the momement , so you may start shooting to capture the moment before you're in an optimal position, but keeping shooting while you get to that angle. With the E-PL1, it is very hard to reposition or track your subject since the Live View is unreliable (again, using Face Detect, at least).

What unstable liveview feed? You mean Live view is not stabilized as in IS not working in liveview? Otherwise live view on my E-PL1 is exactly what my lens sees at any given moment, not something it saw 2 seconds ago. There must be some major difference between out settings because I just don't understand what you are writing about. I really don't.

It may come down to Face Detect, that's all I can think. But you can see by the video that the Live View is "jerking" as you move around and re-focus. That's what I mean by "unstable". There's also a exposure "ramping" effect that's distracting.

The point is that none of these cameras are very good at action and your best chance at getting an action shot is to set it to continuous drive, prefocus and jam the shutter. Maybe not your cup of tea, but that's how it is with these cameras.

Again, I don't think you're really getting what I'm talking about in terms of shooting style. The bottom line is that the GF1 works well without having to Spray and Pray, so it's better suited for my style.

Yeah, that's the silliness I was talking about. Actually any filter (not just ND) will take you to the same exposure as you'd get on GF-1. You need only one filter too as there is only one native fast lens. If all other problems that you are talking about are of the same magnitude...

I often go between shooting indoors and outdoors, and removing and replacing an ND filter just isn't going to happen. I take my GF1 everywhere, usually sitting on my hip in a holster - I don't have a bag with me unless I'm out specifically to shoot. Again, since the GF1 gives me both a real ISO 100 and a 1/4000th shutter speed, it its just better suited to me in this regard.

Bringing this back to the OP... the above is my perspective as a Nikon dSLR shooter who bought in to MFT. Whether my criteria applies to the way the OP shoots is for him to decide. But facts are facts, and we should be afraid of acknowledging the facts of a situation.

The issue is that your facts do not match my facts. As if we were using 2 completely different cameras. So it's either settings issue or expectations issue or both.

I don't think you've really shown that the facts differ, you've just illustrated that the shooting style does.

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