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You're entitled to your opinion I guess, but it's pretty baseless and uninformed.

There are two uses for NEX and others like it:

1. For people who feel they are better than standard P&S cameras and don't want to invest the time or money into good glass or learning about photography (like you).

2. For people who already own and use DSLR's and want a supplemental system when they don't want to/can't pull out their main system.

It is in no way shape or form a DSLR replacement. Never will be.
 
Gavin 11 said:
your original thread was designed to be inflammatory and you've been burned; >
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Well not really, I had the same reaction when I said DSLRs would all have live view, I had the same reaction when I said DSLRs would need video to stay competitive, I had the same reaction when I said face detection and smile detection would help sell DSLRs, and I was right every time and the majority that responded were wrong. Now this issue is somewhat less cut and dried in my mind and I accept that I "may" be wrong (I said that in the OP) but I still think I have it right....lets wait and see, and we will re-visit the subject in 12-18 months...deal ?
My growing NEX3/16mm collection
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35161694@N03/sets/72157624305011541/
 
Tubal said:
It is in no way shape or form a DSLR replacement. Never will be.>
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Really...never?...are you sure....never ?, just like DSLRs will never have live view

I didnt say the NEX was a DSLR replacement, what I said was a new generation of mirrorless cameras will replace the current DSLR design for all but the higher end applications, and these new cams will work best with a redesigned lens mount so as to keep the size down, I mean you could put a CZ 16-80 on a NEX if you used the adapter, but that would be absurd when there is a 16mm pancake lens with an E-mount that is a fraction of the cost and size, I think you have just missed the point completely (or deliberately?)

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My growing NEX3/16mm collection
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35161694@N03/sets/72157624305011541/
 
vaughanB said:
I mean you could put a CZ 16-80 on a NEX if you used the adapter, but that would > be absurd when there is a 16mm pancake lens with an E-mount that is a fraction of > the cost and size, I think you have just missed the point completely (or deliberately?)

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My growing NEX3/16mm collection
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35161694@N03/sets/72157624305011541/
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And there folks, is the problem.

Why on earth would anyone use a CZ 16-35mm when you've got the 18-70mm kit lens that covers more than twice the range? It's a fraction of the cost. What a bunch of morons we all have been.

Seems like you're the one that has missed the point completely (or deliberately?)
 
Tubal said:
vaughanB wrote:

Why on earth would anyone use a CZ 16-35mm when you've got the 18-70mm kit lens that covers more than twice the range? It's a fraction of the cost. What a bunch of morons we all have been.>
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groan...there are currently only 2 lenses available for the E-mount and neither are particularly great, but they are the first kit lenses.....like is it not possible that Tamron, CZ etc might make high quality lenses for the E-Mount ?, also it will be possible (already is) to compensate with internal software in the camera for CA, barrel distortion etc, thus dramatically lowering the production cost and size of the lenses, its like people here are just trying to kid themselves, the lower/mid range DSLR with a mirror box is a dead duck, its obvious
 
vaughanB said:
Kodakrevisited said:
your original thread was designed to be inflammatory and you've been burned; >
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Well not really, I had the same reaction when I said DSLRs would all have live view, I had the same reaction when I said DSLRs would need video to stay competitive, I had the same reaction when I said face detection and smile detection would help sell DSLRs, and I was right every time and the majority that responded were wrong. Now this issue is somewhat less cut and dried in my mind and I accept that I "may" be wrong (I said that in the OP) but I still think I have it right....lets wait and see, and we will re-visit the subject in 12-18 months...deal ?
My growing NEX3/16mm collection
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35161694@N03/sets/72157624305011541/
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Vaughan, yes you are right about live view, face recognition and video, but that’s just trends, all the manufactures will jump on that band wagon.

But to be honest I think some of those features were designed for P&S cameras and were added to make these cameras appeal to people who like the idea of a SLR but do not understand the basic fundamentals of image capture.

I leaned my skills on an Olympus OM1n and Pentax K1000, no easy option there; you know manual exposure with a needle, plus and minus metering control in the view finder.

I get so many people who come into my photo lab who do not have a clue what they are doing and most of the time will get away with it, but when they do not, oh the misery, if they had only learned a bit more.

So we will see, you could be right as the world seems to like dumbing down, I just wonder what camera you will have in 12 months time? Then again I might well have a NEX, but I tell you one thing I will not say it’s a replacement for the SLR.
 
fjbyrne said:
There is a reason that I can get a 70-200/2.8 from 3 different vendors on the A-mount. This is a very popular focal length and speed and has been for a long time. I have the Sony 70200G and it matches my A700+VG nicely. It is too big for the A700 sans grip and A100/KM 5D - I can use it in this setup but the A700+VG balances the handling. I simply can't see attaching something as small as a NEX to a lens like that or any other high-end lenses.
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Ah, but you can design a mirrorless camera with same size grip as A700 but you can't design a DSLR that will be the same size as Nex-5.

Your argument is not valid. In future we will have mirrorless cameras that will come in all shapes and sizes.
 
Richard said:
vaughanB said:
Richard said:
Richard wrote:

I am happy about this, but to tell anyone to sell their lenses, especially when they work right now, sony has no equivalent and its adaptor does not even focus the bigger lenses is just plain silly almost stupid.>
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LOL well if anyone is stupid enough to run their life and decisions based on comments by a complete stranger (ie me) on a forum like this, then they really would have to lack critical judgement and braincells of their own, I dont actually expect anyone to go out and sell anything based on my opinion
I still think I am right, but I dont really expect many to agree :-)
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Ok, if you are not saying that, then it is not stupid and you are entitled to your opinion. But read my other post. In short, the DSLR will never go away.

A viewfinder that blocks out all extrainous light give the person an accuracy in color, contrast and sharpness (in focus) an OLED or LCD cannot give in full sunlight. I don't care if it is video or digital images. Even if OLED could burn your eyes out and compete with the sun it is much more natural to see through a viewfinder that blackens out the sun.

I think you would have to have your head under a blanket to see that DSLR are not going away. I also think you would have to have your head under a blanket to take a picture with a NEX to actually see what you are shooting. Like this guy :)

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I think he has made a valid point here?
 
Note the slight argument shift, you're now not talking anymore of all DSLRs?

When you compared the so so 16mm E-prime to the 16-80 A-zoom, you have shown how much of reality sense you have. Please stop making a fool of yourself Vaughan!
 
Right, I would have agreed with that argument up untill recently, but just look at how manufacturers have managed to convince people that an OVF/EVF is not required, try buying a compact with an OVF/EVF, but they still sell....and TBH I am suprised by that

Whilst an OVF/EVF would be nice on the NEX, I really dont think it would help the camera sell as people seem obsessed with neat small size, elegant design and light weight, anything that makes the camera bigger will detract from its appeal....just look at an iphone.....no keyboard etc, but thats what people want apparently
 
JasperD said:
Note the slight argument shift, you're now not talking anymore of all DSLRs?

When you compared the so so 16mm E-prime to the 16-80 A-zoom, you have shown how much of reality sense you have. Please stop making a fool of yourself Vaughan!>
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and I repeat the above post

groan...there are currently only 2 lenses available for the E-mount and neither are particularly great, but they are the first kit lenses.....like is it not possible that Tamron, CZ etc might make high quality lenses for the E-Mount ?, also it will be possible (already is) to compensate with internal software in the camera for CA, barrel distortion etc, thus dramatically lowering the production cost and size of the lenses, its like people here are just trying to kid themselves, the lower/mid range DSLR with a mirror box is a dead duck, its obvious

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My growing NEX3/16mm collection
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35161694@N03/sets/72157624305011541/
 
Yeah, typical politician way of stating things, building two opposite arguments and use one of them as seems fit. I'm not buying it, I was refering to your earlier message just above that one:
vaughanB said:
I mean you could put a CZ 16-80 on a NEX if you used the adapter, but that would be absurd when there is a 16mm pancake lens with an E-mount that is a fraction of the cost and size, I think you have just missed the point completely (or deliberately?)
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This shows you don't know what you're talking about, you are missing the point somewhere.
 
vaughanB said:
Tubal said:
It is in no way shape or form a DSLR replacement. Never will be.>
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Really...never?...are you sure....never ?, just like DSLRs will never have live view

I didnt say the NEX was a DSLR replacement, what I said was a new generation of mirrorless cameras will replace the current DSLR design for all but the higher end applications, and these new cams will work best with a redesigned lens mount so as to keep the size down, I mean you could put a CZ 16-80 on a NEX if you used the adapter, but that would be absurd when there is a 16mm pancake lens with an E-mount that is a fraction of the cost and size, I think you have just missed the point completely (or deliberately?)
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I think you might be being a little disingenuous here Vaughan. If you weren't claiming that the NEX was going to replace the DSLR why did you title your post "big investment in glass?...sell the lot quickly"? If the DSLRs are going to be around why would anyone - especially someone with a "big investment" - sell off their lenses?

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Rick
 
I know, that's why I'm stating it. I read you before and actualy sometimes enjoyed your debates, but on this one you have a very weak argument, really.
 
zepzr said:
fjbyrne said:
There is a reason that I can get a 70-200/2.8 from 3 different vendors on the A-mount. This is a very popular focal length and speed and has been for a long time. I have the Sony 70200G and it matches my A700+VG nicely. It is too big for the A700 sans grip and A100/KM 5D - I can use it in this setup but the A700+VG balances the handling. I simply can't see attaching something as small as a NEX to a lens like that or any other high-end lenses.
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Ah, but you can design a mirrorless camera with same size grip as A700 but you can't design a DSLR that will be the same size as Nex-5.
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Never implied you couldn't. Vaughan is the one who suggested a NEX type camera would replace the DSLR.
zepzr said:
Your argument is not valid. In future we will have mirrorless cameras that will come in all shapes and sizes.
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You would be correct if that had been my argument. Note in my post that I did not state that the camera that would be mated to the larger lenses would necessarily have a mirror. My comments were simply saying that there are too many lenses that people want to use that would be awkward with something the size of the NEX.

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Rick
 
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