HS10 vs Canon SX20

As for the Group test, I remember I've already read similar sentence to the "The only camera we'd advise you to steer clear of is the Fujifilm Finepix S2500HD" before:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/q109superzoomgroup/page16.asp
"The only cameras we'd advise you to steer clear of are the Fujifilm S2000HD"

Is it a template ? ;-)
 
... reviews from people on this forum or from professional reviewers?

I don't think I've seen any of the latter, and I don't trust reviews from amateurs. Naysaying on this forum often comes from people who don't know how to use a camera, yet blame their failure on the camera.
DPR weighs in and picks the CANON over the "middle of the road" FUJI.

I guess DPR is now a nay sayer. Time to look for a fawning review elsewhere.
 
DPReview is evidently on-board with the naysayers. In its just posted Compact 'Super Zoom' Cameras group test...
Wow, it is hard to imagine a test where the visual results diverged so wildly from the reviewer's conclusions. The HS10 is obviously the best high ISO camera in the bunch, and certainly not worse than the others in daylight or with flash, at first glance.
 
You may want to have a 2nd glance as the Panasonic in Daylight is noticably better.
DPReview is evidently on-board with the naysayers. In its just posted Compact 'Super Zoom' Cameras group test...
Wow, it is hard to imagine a test where the visual results diverged so wildly from the reviewer's conclusions. The HS10 is obviously the best high ISO camera in the bunch, and certainly not worse than the others in daylight or with flash, at first glance.
 
Maybe the FZ35/38 is a bit better at wide angle, but certainly not at telephoto, where the HS10 looks smooth with a capital SMOO.
You may want to have a 2nd glance as the Panasonic in Daylight is noticably better.
The HS10 is obviously the best high ISO camera in the bunch, and certainly not worse than the others in daylight or with flash, at first glance.
 
DPReview is evidently on-board with the naysayers. In its just posted Compact 'Super Zoom' Cameras group test...
Wow, it is hard to imagine a test where the visual results diverged so wildly from the reviewer's conclusions. The HS10 is obviously the best high ISO camera in the bunch, and certainly not worse than the others in daylight or with flash, at first glance.
That's the problem with first glances for those that are big fans of a particular camera. In daylight/low ISO at 45mm equiv. it's pretty clear that DPReview got it right, the SX20 IS and FZ35 clearly did better than the HS10, but the difference isn't huge, just noticeable. At the long end of the zoom the HS10 does look a little better than the rest so it deserves credit for that, but with its greater focal length it's not a fair comparison. Zoom it back a little to match the focal length of its better peers and it probably would fall back into the pack.

At the bottom of this test page is the wide angle test and here the shoe's on the other foot. At 24mm the HS10 needs more magnification than the other cameras to compare similar crops so now it's at a slight disadvantage, and it shows, but this time it's quite a bit lower in IQ than the SX20 IS. There are a couple of surprises here but to see them you'll have to download the full images because DPR didn't include any crops. First, although the SX20's IQ remains impressive, the FZ35's IQ dropped considerably. I'm surprised that DPReview didn't mention this, but they had less to say about this part of the test . . . Another surprise is that the disparaged S2500HD did surprisingly well, even looking better than the HS10's wide image. Again, that's probably partially due to the HS10's 24mm handicap, but not completely since the S2500's wide shot looks better than the FZ35's. Not so much in having greater detail than that it looks cleaner and crisper, with the FZ35's shot looking like it suffered a bit from haze. Also (and you won't see this unless you download the images) the S2500's shot is a little harder to compare since it's reversed left-to-right. Somebody at DPR needs a dope-slap to wake him up. :)

As for the ISO 1600 low light comparison, here you're partially correct. The HS10 did much better than before but it really didn't outdo the SX20 (which looks kind of blah) or the FZ35. It looks more impressive than them at first glance because it's much brighter and contrastier, but it doesn't have the detail provided by the SX20 IS and FZ35, which should be able to surpass the HS10's high ISO image with a little post processing. For modest sized prints with no processing, most people would probably prefer the HS10's high ISO shots.
 
Somebody asked me about these two cameras today.

Based on the imaging-resource.com Comparometer, the SX20 really sux for image quality compared to the HS10.

Despite all the naysaying on this forum...
 
You may want to have a 2nd glance as the Panasonic in Daylight is noticably better.
...and it smokes the competition with flash details resolution (see the eye crop) - it is fantastic for P&S!

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"I reject the reality and substitute my own" - is it your approach to discussion? Surely, not mine.
 
I had the SX20 a while back just when it came out. Beautiful camera to hold and look and IQ good-EXCEPT for the very very high CA! It was so bad for me I sold it within 1 month. With the HS-10 I see little CA and if any not to be of any concern. OK one can argue with for example with programs like Aperture/Elements it can be removed but thats not the point-its tedious.
 
I had the SX20 a while back just when it came out. Beautiful camera to hold and look and IQ good-EXCEPT for the very very high CA! It was so bad for me I sold it within 1 month. With the HS-10 I see little CA and if any not to be of any concern.
As DPR said, Fuji is "probably doing in-camera correction of color fringing."

Paul Till shows in a recent thread that although the SX20 has top-notch image quality in the center, or centre if you are French, its color fringing in the corners is so bad that it falls to bottom-notch image quality there.

I don't think the imaging-resource comparisons are as different as the DPR comparisons. I just think DPR's reviewers were swayed by the Canon mystique.
 
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I don't think the imaging-resource comparisons are as different as the DPR comparisons. I just think DPR's reviewers were swayed by the Canon mystique.
That's so ludicrous that you've (belatedly) earned DPR's ignorance filter.
 

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