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With the emergence of the iPad, I think Phil might have to make a change in our sample image viewer.

For those using an iPad, we all know that the iPad does not support the use of adobe flash player.

OTOH, the iPad has become my ideal photo viewer, and will no doubt be used by many photo enthusiasts.

Phil,

Is there a way for you to give us links to the sample photos in your galleries?

Currently, there is no way to view the samples on an iPod. ........Unless of course, I'm missing something. :)
 
I suspect Steve Jobs is the man you need to talk to. He is the one controlling which applications you can run.

Why should every web site on the internet bow to his whims?

Don't worry. Once Android-based pads make it to the market -- you know, platforms that run anything? you all will be wishing you'd saved your money.
 
1. In my case, my iPad is not just for viewing photos but for viewing video, browsing the internet in general, checking out news (and, associated photos/slide shows/journalism photos/news videos), downloading and reading eBooks (already have hundreds of them in the Kindle/iBook/ Barnes & Noble iPad apps. on my iPad). Since getting my iPad, virtually all my online shopping has been done using my iPad (and, I've since spent several thousands of dollars, USD, in purchases online from sources all over the internet/world, using the convenience of my iPad.

2. IMO, as an example, iPad and Amazon.com work so well with online shopping, that all I now do, is simply and instantly access Amazon.com & my account there using a "one touch" from the Kindle app for iPad, that's located on my iPad. Instantly, there are all sorts of reccommendations based on my past purchases, including Kindle books for iPad, free books for similar download to my iPad, including items from across the Amazon.com web site. With just a one touch, from the convenience of my iPad, anything I want is on it's way to me (even with free two-day shipping, in most instances).

3. The online Apple iTunes store, now has the "Leica Fotographie International" iPad app. that links directly to "Leica Master Shots" depending on which tab one touches: There are currently four of these tabs on the app, one each, that links to gallery photos for the Leica S2, M9, M8 and X1, depending on which is tapped. Of course, all the images look superb on the iPad --- as though they were meant for each other. :-)

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With the emergence of the iPad, I think Phil might have to make a change in our sample image viewer.

For those using an iPad, we all know that the iPad does not support the use of adobe flash player.

OTOH, the iPad has become my ideal photo viewer, and will no doubt be used by many photo enthusiasts.

Phil,

Is there a way for you to give us links to the sample photos in your galleries?

Currently, there is no way to view the samples on an iPod. ........Unless of course, I'm missing something. :)
 
With the emergence of the iPad, I think Phil might have to make a change in our sample image viewer.

For those using an iPad, we all know that the iPad does not support the use of adobe flash player.

OTOH, the iPad has become my ideal photo viewer, and will no doubt be used by many photo enthusiasts.

Phil,

Is there a way for you to give us links to the sample photos in your galleries?

Currently, there is no way to view the samples on an iPod. ........Unless of course, I'm missing something. :)
So, the world should change to suit iPad users? Good luck with that.
 
1. Actually, the world has already started to do this; as soon as the international business community saw that iPad users actually use their devices to make on the spot purchases and that Ads on the iPad can actually draw in far more money than traditional ads, including other types of online advertising. Next week, when Apple releases it new iPhone/iPad OS, as it's written to permit advertisers to start using highly sophisticated and interactive advertisements ---- we are going to see even more of the world clamoring to get a piece of the growing buying public that uses iPads. It's becoming more of a "money thing" versus "to suit iPad users".

2. iPad users, world-wide, are the type people that sleep out/wait in large crowds to purchase one or more iPads at a time (same is being seen with iPhone 4, online purchases; and just watch what happens when these iPhones hit the stores in the next few days), and money is obviously not a problem --- and have collectively purchased millions of iPads already --- so many that Apple is having trouble meeting market demand; so this is why the world is trying to catch up with iPad, and not the other way round. iPad users have money to burn (even while others are complaining about the cost of an iPad and what an iPad can or not do) --- so, yes the international business community is taken note of this and they're ramping up to get a piece of the action with these growing millions of ready/willing/capable and confirmed purchasers ---- and through their iPads and Apple iPhone OS4, they now have a direct way to this market. Apple says it has already raked in hundreds of millions of advertising dollars for interactive iPad Ads, and this OS hasn't even been released until iPhone 4 is next week. :D

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With the emergence of the iPad, I think Phil might have to make a change in our sample image viewer.

For those using an iPad, we all know that the iPad does not support the use of adobe flash player.

OTOH, the iPad has become my ideal photo viewer, and will no doubt be used by many photo enthusiasts.

Phil,

Is there a way for you to give us links to the sample photos in your galleries?

Currently, there is no way to view the samples on an iPod. ........Unless of course, I'm missing something. :)
So, the world should change to suit iPad users? Good luck with that.
 
Good points, obviously money talks but the flip side of this is that expecting everyone to dump flash just because Steve Jobs jumped up and down, stamped his feet, and held his breath until his face turned blue is a bit much. Rather than expecting that millions of man-hours be invested in replacing Flash wherever it lives, Jobs could try being just a little less full of himself and less full of excrement and just work it out with Adobe. It's just as simple as a flip of a switch for Jobs himself to enable Flash for millions of websites. Then of course Mobile Safari just needs Ad Block Plus and it's all good. :)

Despite the various things that ail flash it has brought platform-independent functionality in a way that nothing else has, second only to HTML/javascript in usage IMHO.

BTW I am not an Apple basher(I consider myself more a silliness-wherever-I-find-it basher), though I did want to give Jobs a swift kick to the jewels some years back for killing the MessagePad. I also have an iPhone on pre-order because I can see direct benefits to having one in my work. Not so much the iPad though -- That's 1/3 of the money I need for the 70-400G I'm contemplating. :)
1. Actually, the world has already started to do this; as soon as the international business community saw that iPad users actually use their devices to make on the spot purchases and that Ads on the iPad can actually draw in far more money than traditional ads, including other types of online advertising. Next week, when Apple releases it new iPhone/iPad OS, as it's written to permit advertisers to start using highly sophisticated and interactive advertisements ---- we are going to see even more of the world clamoring to get a piece of the growing buying public that uses iPads. It's becoming more of a "money thing" versus "to suit iPad users".

2. iPad users, world-wide, are the type people that sleep out/wait in large crowds to purchase one or more iPads at a time (same is being seen with iPhone 4, online purchases; and just watch what happens when these iPhones hit the stores in the next few days), and money is obviously not a problem --- and have collectively purchased millions of iPads already --- so many that Apple is having trouble meeting market demand; so this is why the world is trying to catch up with iPad, and not the other way round. iPad users have money to burn (even while others are complaining about the cost of an iPad and what an iPad can or not do) --- so, yes the international business community is taken note of this and they're ramping up to get a piece of the action with these growing millions of ready/willing/capable and confirmed purchasers ---- and through their iPads and Apple iPhone OS4, they now have a direct way to this market. Apple says it has already raked in hundreds of millions of advertising dollars for interactive iPad Ads, and this OS hasn't even been released until iPhone 4 is next week. :D

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So, the world should change to suit iPad users? Good luck with that.
 
Why should every web site on the internet bow to his whims?
Why should any web site use proprietary plug ins when the web is supposed to be based on free and open standards? When Microsoft wanted to control the web everyone threw a fit. It's OK for Adobe to do it?
Don't worry. Once Android-based pads make it to the market -- you know, platforms that run anything? you all will be wishing you'd saved your money.
I'm sorry, is there a full featured version of Flash running on any mobile platform with decent performance yet? Will there ever be? Because the Android Flash betas suck so far. People act as if Jobs is doing something evil or stupid. One of his key points is that Adobe has yet to show Apple a demonstration of Flash running on mobile hardware with any where near the compatibility, stability, and performance of desktop Flash. So far, he's right.
 
Good points, obviously money talks but the flip side of this is that expecting everyone to dump flash just because Steve Jobs jumped up and down, stamped his feet, and held his breath until his face turned blue is a bit much.
There is no decent version of Flash running on any mobile platform. It remains to be seen whether or not full Flash can be made to work properly on Android. As more and more users spend more and more time browsing the web and making purchases on mobile devices, web sites that want to survive will need to transition to open standards.

With over 2 million iPads sold, and God only knows how many iPhones and iPod Touches, web sites are paying attention and moving to HTML5. I can personally testify that when I'm looking for something and come across a Flash based commercial web site on my iPhone or iPad, I simply move on to a competitor's site.
Rather than expecting that millions of man-hours be invested in replacing Flash wherever it lives, Jobs could try being just a little less full of himself and less full of excrement and just work it out with Adobe.
What is there to work out if Adobe can't make it work properly and efficiently on mobile hardware? People keep forgetting this key point. They act as if Flash is on every other mobile device. It's not. There's Flash lite and Flash betas and they all have major problems.

Beyond that...why are people defending a proprietary web standard? The web is supposed to be open. I no more want Adobe to control the web than I would want Microsoft or Apple to.

Flash is proprietary, old, slow, buggy, and terribly inefficient. It needs to die.
 
Flash is free, albeit proprietary. It's also the best suited solution out there at the moment, HTML 5 has a long way to go before it can replace it. If that happens the transition will happen naturally thanks to the superiority of the newer format, not because one single company chooses not to support flash. Some screamed long and hard for Betamax, but that didn't mean it succeeded.

As for mobile flash, at least every Android with 2.2, many present and all upcoming Symbians and every Mameo/Meego devide support it. That's almost 50% of the market-share. Apple has some 4% all together and around 10% in smartphones, so not supporting flash will be the minority.

Think different.
Why should every web site on the internet bow to his whims?
Why should any web site use proprietary plug ins when the web is supposed to be based on free and open standards? When Microsoft wanted to control the web everyone threw a fit. It's OK for Adobe to do it?
Don't worry. Once Android-based pads make it to the market -- you know, platforms that run anything? you all will be wishing you'd saved your money.
I'm sorry, is there a full featured version of Flash running on any mobile platform with decent performance yet? Will there ever be? Because the Android Flash betas suck so far. People act as if Jobs is doing something evil or stupid. One of his key points is that Adobe has yet to show Apple a demonstration of Flash running on mobile hardware with any where near the compatibility, stability, and performance of desktop Flash. So far, he's right.
 
Flash is free, albeit proprietary. It's also the best suited solution out there at the moment, HTML 5 has a long way to go before it can replace it. If that happens the transition will happen naturally thanks to the superiority of the newer format,
In case you haven't noticed, the transition is already happening.
 
Why should the world change because "you" (not you, but you apple iPad user)cannot view it? The world uses Flash. Photographers use flash on their sites (Just ask the 100k that are buying up templates at template sites a year) and the world doesn't really mind using it. But yet the world has to change because one man doesn't like Adobe and Flash?? Sorry, not going to happen.

Mr. Job's arrogance here is stunning. He could easily added support, he just doesn't like it or he is truly afraid to show the shortcomings of their product. It can't run flash? To slow? Nah, it can, he just has a grudge and can't let it go.

Check out my site, not on an iPad, but on a computer or one of the bevy of iPad competitors coming out soon that WILL support Flash.
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How many photographers are also web designers? How many photographers that are not web designers can afford to pay someone to design a site? How many photographers use Lightroom that have free flash galleries you can export right to your website? Flash ain't going anywhere any time soon. I would never buy a web browsing device that cannot view 40% of the web. Just sayin...
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I am going to go out a limb here and say the HP Slate is going to blow the iPad away. Oh sure, that is like saying the Zune will outsell the iPod. I think this time Apple may have met a semi-match in the Slate. We shall see, but for now, the specs alone (flash support, flash card slot. etc...) will be more of a photographers friend than the iPad.
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Flash is free, albeit proprietary. It's also the best suited solution out there at the moment, HTML 5 has a long way to go before it can replace it. If that happens the transition will happen naturally thanks to the superiority of the newer format, not because one single company chooses not to support flash.
that is the biggest 'slow down progress' statement i have seen is some time.

your statement was accurate, . . . three years ago. Clearly you are not a web developer and are quiet ignorant to what is being used, and how fast new technologies are being implemented. If you are an unemployed front end web developer and you are not CSS3/HTML5/Canvas savy, you will remain an unemployed web developer. those who embrace old technology and hide from the new, will/are be/being left behind.

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Flash is free, albeit proprietary.
Free to end users. It's not free to content producers.
It's also the best suited solution out there at the moment, HTML 5 has a long way to go before it can replace it. If that happens the transition will happen naturally thanks to the superiority of the newer format, not because one single company chooses not to support flash. Some screamed long and hard for Betamax, but that didn't mean it succeeded.
Not long at all, and it's already happening.
As for mobile flash, at least every Android with 2.2, many present and all upcoming Symbians and every Mameo/Meego devide support it. That's almost 50% of the market-share. Apple has some 4% all together and around 10% in smartphones, so not supporting flash will be the minority.
Completely wrong.

Android 2.2 has not shipped, except for a beta version only for the Nexus One, a phone that has sold in very small numbers (estimates are a few hundred thousand, total). Some Android phones, including the HTC Evo that was released just two weeks ago , won't be getting 2.2 until sometime close to the end of the year , according to HTC, and the update for the Motorola Droid is several months away. Other Android handsets won't ever get 2.2 because they are incapable of running it at all and some new Android devices are even shipping with the very old version 1.5 (Archos tablet).

As for market share, according to Neilsen's most recent numbers, Apple is #2 at 28% of all smartphones while Android is #4 at 9%. That's slightly more than three times as many iPhones as there are Android devices, and that doesn't include iPod touches and iPads. Symbian is dead last at 2%.

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/smartphone-share1.png
 
Mr. Job's arrogance here is stunning. He could easily added support, he just doesn't like it or he is truly afraid to show the shortcomings of their product. It can't run flash? To slow? Nah, it can, he just has a grudge and can't let it go.
Actually, he couldn't easily have added Flash support because Adobe hasn't finished a version of Flash for mobile devices yet. There's a beta version now (which is slow and buggy), and the final version is due by the end of the year.
 
2. IMO, as an example, iPad and Amazon.com work so well with online shopping, that all I now do, is simply and instantly access Amazon.com & my account there using a "one touch" from the Kindle app for iPad, that's located on my iPad. Instantly, there are all sorts of reccommendations based on my past purchases, including Kindle books for iPad, free books for similar download to my iPad, including items from across the Amazon.com web site. With just a one touch, from the convenience of my iPad, anything I want is on it's way to me (even with free two-day shipping, in most instances).
Please keep it up, the economy needs consumers like you.

All this is available on my desk top, the last thing I want is to have it on my cell.

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Flash is free, albeit proprietary. It's also the best suited solution out there at the moment, HTML 5 has a long way to go before it can replace it. If that happens the transition will happen naturally thanks to the superiority of the newer format, not because one single company chooses not to support flash.
that is the biggest 'slow down progress' statement i have seen is some time.

your statement was accurate, . . . three years ago. Clearly you are not a web developer and are quiet ignorant to what is being used, and how fast new technologies are being implemented. If you are an unemployed front end web developer and you are not CSS3/HTML5/Canvas savy, you will remain an unemployed web developer. those who embrace old technology and hide from the new, will/are be/being left behind.
My wife has run a web development business for going on 10 years now. BTW, she doesn't use Flash, not in her designs... And she does know the ins and outs of HTML 5 and CS3 but cannot use those exclusively because she cares deeply about making websites cross-browser compatible. You can do wonderful things with the new technologies but the current browsers do not handle them consistently and they do not degrade gracefully in older browsers -- that is, unless the only thing you want to design is boring "corporate grid" layouts or write a lot of convoluted browser sniffing code.

When designing for a client that wants customers to visit their website, statements like "everyone should use browser X, Y, or Z" simply don't hold water. If it looks good in one common browser but falls apart in another the client is unhappy.

BTW there is a big pile of Jobs excrement in the HTML5 hype as well. The latest example makes a big deal out of needing Safari when other browsers can render the pages just fine -- many of the examples don't use HTML5 at all except for the audio and video tags, as mentioned here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/04/apple_html5_showcase_hype

Here is a great quote from that link:

Meanwhile. Adobe Software was quick to pick up on the ballsy irony of it all. John Nack, Photoshop product manager, Tweeted: "A Web standards demo that doesn't work across browsers reminds me of lame, counterproductive Flash Player demos."
 

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