Confirming iPad WiFi problems.

There's no longer any need to argue with you since what you are pointing out (having workarounds and hacks) doesn't change the fact that they make unified platforms. Idiot.
Lol. Yup, I'm the idiot. :P
You are an idiot because you seem to have taken that comment out of context. You know perfectly well that what I posted clearly implied "they" as being Apple and the unified platforms being iPhone/iPad/Touch+iPhone OS as well as Macs+OSX. Idiot.

Taking things out of context is fine and dandy, to be expected for people who simply can not validate their arguments. Why don't you stay on point as opposed to jumping around different points in complete ignorance to the fact that you've contradicted yourself quite a number of times already and then had the audacity to correct people when you're the one with the unsound and unsupportable points.
 
You know what? Enough of your nonsense. Why don't you go and actually understand what a open platform is in the first place. You clearly do not know the pros and cons of what a open platform truly entails apart from this very idealistic and skewed perception that open platform means free and no holds bar. Heck, I'm not expecting much from you in that regard either since you've shown that even from a idealistic and philosophical side of things, you're completely murky on it as well.
 
Don't know about the iPad, but my iPhone has wifi connectivity issues all the time. Lots of times it does not even show my home network, and I almost always have problems when using hot spots. It shows me as connected, but the internet doesn't work. Turn off wifi and use 3G and it works.
 
Thanks for the info but as you can imagine one of the first things I did was to look at the setup between the routers or nodes as you wish.

But... as I said before I get different results with two diferent Ipod Touch. One of the Ipods is a G2 (with the latest software) and the other a G3. The G2 is tolerable the G3 is nuts. If it were something as simple (or as complicated!) as a conflict between the Extreme and the express all the appliances should react in a similar way. I could also say the same thing about the imacs, the macbook, the toshiba laptop, the HP PC (with D-link N pen) or the Iphones, they have no wireless issues whatsoever. The Iphone may have a week signal reception but hardly ever drops so I think its Ipod specific and from what I am reading its also happening to the Ipad.

BTW I had a D-link setup that worked fine but that was before having the Ipods so I can not compare. With regards to your Linksys, well i have never heard much good about that system although they are very popular.
 
i think i am starting to lose you, here.

is your issue of flexibility related to applications or content? you seem a bit confused, here: they are not the same.

because you just CAN take the content you buy with you (music, books, etc), just as you can take that you have already bought INTO the iphone/ipod touch.

but, when someone pointed this out to you, you replied this was not the point, that apple is not in the business of selling content but hardware. yet, now you are complaining.
There is no confusion or contradiction. Apps = content. Some content is for reading, some is for watching, some for listening, some for playing, some for navigating, etc. etc. A game app is content. A navigation app is content. If I buy a map, am I restricted to using it only in a single car? If I buy a Monopoly board, am I restricted to only playing it in one house? Why should we expect anything different with software? Just like we should be able to migrate our music, videos, and books, we should also be able to migrate apps. It's a very simple concept.
sorry, i do not agree.
applications are not content, at all.

what we call content has nothing to do with the technology you use for it, whereas applications MUST match the underlying hardware and software.

iphone applications are no different than mac ones. yet you do not seem to have any problems about the lack of aperture for windows, for instance.
honestly, i just think you are trying to present a matter of TASTE (i.e you do not like apple's way of doing things) as a moral one.
No, I am not. There are no morals here. I'm not arguing a matter of taste, I'm arguing about consumer philosophy. And you agree with me, you're just confusing theory with practice. In your head, you're thinking "well, I'm OK with Apple's strategy because although I give up portability, I gain blah blah blah (fill in the blank with whatever compromise you want)." This is practice.

My argument is that we can have flexibility and choice without compromise. This argument is currently theoretical, but only because corporate interests are too strong and too invested in closed systems. If you didn't have to give up anything that you love about Apple's strategy wouldn't you welcome additional choice and flexibility? If you could still use the App store (in its current, regulated form) but also had the option of buying from "non-regulated" App stores, would you care? Of course not. If you could still keep everything you like about Apple's ecosystem, but gained the ability to migrate your apps, would you turn that down? Of course not. You would be stupid to do so.
honestly, the only thing i care about is that the things i buy can do what i buy them for, and do it well for me.
i don't care about theoretical choices i give up as i do not need them.

and the bottom line is this: most people do not need them, either. and that is exaclty the reason why apple's products sell so well.
Don't confuse my preference for Android's platform/philosophy with my arguments regarding consumer vs. corporate interests. Android > iPhone is a preference.
personally i think apple, though not perfect at all, just nailed it with most of their products (at least for the majority of people).

and claiming that this is just because those who like it "do not know better" is arrogant and, most of all, just plain false.
Yes and no. There are certainly people that know both platforms but prefer the iPhone. The fact that these people exist doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of ignorant people that really just don't know any better.
by the way, i had a look at your jailbroken iPhone, and i honestly think that even if it's "free", it's just slower, messier and harder to use than a factory one. but, as they say, to each his own, so i do not come here telling you what you like is wrong or that you do not know any better.
There is no difference in speed. Organization is a preference issue, but my apps don't load any slower than a stock 3GS.

And the point is not that it's "free." I paid money for most of the useful jailbroken apps on my phone. The point is "choice."
i meant free as opposed to "closed in", not as free of charge.

and with slower i meant that the standard inteface lets ME be faster with the things i need to do; i was not arguing about performance.

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You seem to interchange hardware and software. Which of the two do you have an issue with? Software and content (which is what you have continually been talking about) is no more or less portable on the iPhone's OS then it is on Android's.

You need to define platorm, are you talking hardware platform or software platform?
Well perhaps this is the disconnect. In my head the distinction is very clear, but after pages and pages of writing it's absolutely possible that I may have used words interchangeably. I'll try and be conscious of using "operating system" and "hardware" instead of the less defined term, "platform."

Let's recap:

1. I concede the point that you cannot [currently] move apps from Android to iPhone. This was always obvious to me. If I gave the impression that this wasn't the case, it was not intentional. However, this doesn't dilute my argument. (More on this below.)

2. I don't have an issue with hardware on its own. I don't have an issue with software on its own. I have an issue when software that is meant to be consumed (apps, games, books, etc) is tied to a specific piece of hardware. Understand that there's a gradient here - I might be able to enjoy my content on 3 devices in one "platform" and 30 on another. The platform that offers 30 hardware choices is better but obviously not perfect. Of course, I'd want to be able to use my purchases on all 33 devices.

3. You need to stop trying to make the point that being locked into the iPhone is the same as being "locked" into Android. It is not. The iPhone is a single device (hardware + software) designed and controlled by a single company. Android is an open programming language that is not centrally controlled and can be run on any hardware. Even though the iPhone OS could technically be run on non-Apple hardware (I've seen it ported to an HTC phone), the OS is licensed, guarded, etc. The real world implications of this are huge. Even if one were to agree with you that "philosophically" Android is just as restrictive as the iPhone (which I don't agree with, more on this below) the practical difference between the two is like night and day.
Sure, if we all were limited to one OS. But that would stifle competition and lead to inferior products which is at least one of the tenents of your arguments.
There are two issues here, single OS vs. multiple OS and open vs. closed. Don't confuse the two. In an environment where closed systems are the only option, yes - you want multiple companies competing to drive innovation in the marketplace. However, we're not talking about just proprietary programming languages. We're talking about open vs. closed standards. What's the ideal situation? A universal operating system that runs all software, yet doesn't stifle innovation. When software is open and the standards can be improved by anyone, you actually get an explosion of innovation and growth - some might say, too much innovation. Think of Wikipedia, the ultimate success story in the open vs. closed debate. Is Wikipedia perfect? No. Is it better than having a regular online Encarta Encyclopedia controlled, written, and monetized by a single company? You betcha. HTML? Open standard = explosion of innovation on the internet. Single operating system = explosion of innovation of applications. Applications, after all, are what make computers useful - not the operating system.
But you can't switch hardware AND software and expect to take your apps with you, ever, from any company.
No, you cannot do so currently. But you should be able to - and you can, theoretically. This is the heart of the problem. Operating systems should be non-existent or rather, transparent. In an ideal world, you would have a single operating system running all kinds of applications. Perhaps a better way of saying it is that you have a single programming language that can run any software on top of it. It's what Android attempts to do. Note, you would give up nothing in this scenario. Theoretically, you could have a device that looks, runs, feels, operates exactly like an iPhone, but is coded on Android's language. Instant cross-platform app portability.
To many Apple offers many benefits over competitors, and to many others competitors offer benefits over Apple.
Conventional wisdom (and you) seems to think that iPhone vs. Android is an issue of consumer preference. You would be correct in the sense that your sentiment reflects current market options. However, on some level what I'm trying to do is frame an argument in an ideal sense. If Apple wanted, they could give you the same exact user experience you currently have on the iPhone, even if they decided to code their device using Android's language. Bam - app portability. Of course, this is not in their interest and I don't blame them for their course of action.
All android does is offer more hardware choices, which to be honest is kind of moot.
No actually, it's not. The choice of hardware (keyboard vs. none, 3" vs. 4" screen, 8mp vs. front-facing camera) is HUGE. Dismissing that it's moot is incredibly blind and perhaps explains why we don't see eye to eye. Remember the whole PC vs. Mac war that took place 30 years ago that essentially ended up with Microsoft running 90% of the world's computers? Do you know what it boiled down to? Choice, flexibility, and cross-hardware compatibility. To dismiss hardware options as being "moot" is to be ignorant of the last 30 years of computing.

You also seem to be dismissing the true flexibility of Android. It's not an operating system as much as it is a programming language. You can have entirely different software experiences on two Android phones (the same is true on the iPhone if you decide to jailbreak it, but Apple goes through great pains to block jailbreaks with each software update).

So no, the statement that "All Android does is offer more hardware choices" is absolutely false.
 
The platform that offers 30 hardware choices is better but obviously not perfect.
Just because a platform has a wider choice of hardware does not mean it's necessarily better.
3. You need to stop trying to make the point that being locked into the iPhone is the same as being "locked" into Android. It is not. The iPhone is a single device (hardware + software) designed and controlled by a single company. Android is an open programming language that is not centrally controlled and can be run on any hardware.
Android is not a language and it's controlled by Google. It's also not as open as you think.

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/android-community-aims-to-replace-googles-proprietary-bits.ars

"Android had the opportunity to be the open answer to Apple's walled garden, but instead it's just a walled garden with a lower wall."
Even though the iPhone OS could technically be run on non-Apple hardware (I've seen it ported to an HTC phone),
You did see the date on that story, didn't you?
Think of Wikipedia, the ultimate success story in the open vs. closed debate. Is Wikipedia perfect? No. Is it better than having a regular online Encarta Encyclopedia controlled, written, and monetized by a single company? You betcha.
Wikipedia is a nice resource but it's full of errors and incorrect information. Encarta may not be perfect, but at least it's checked for accuracy before being published.
All android does is offer more hardware choices, which to be honest is kind of moot.
No actually, it's not. The choice of hardware (keyboard vs. none, 3" vs. 4" screen, 8mp vs. front-facing camera) is HUGE. Dismissing that it's moot is incredibly blind and perhaps explains why we don't see eye to eye. Remember the whole PC vs. Mac war that took place 30 years ago that essentially ended up with Microsoft running 90% of the world's computers? Do you know what it boiled down to? Choice, flexibility, and cross-hardware compatibility. To dismiss hardware options as being "moot" is to be ignorant of the last 30 years of computing.
Windows became dominant due to Microsoft's predatory and illegal business practices and Apple's mismanagement. It had very little to do with hardware choices.
You also seem to be dismissing the true flexibility of Android. It's not an operating system as much as it is a programming language.
It's not a programming language at all.
You can have entirely different software experiences on two Android phones (the same is true on the iPhone if you decide to jailbreak it, but Apple goes through great pains to block jailbreaks with each software update).
You can have entirely different software experiences on an iPhone without jailbreaking. It's up to the app developer.
So no, the statement that "All Android does is offer more hardware choices" is absolutely false.
That's basically the main difference.
 
I'll reply later but just letting you know (you probably already know) that many of your issues with the exsisting iPhone OS are remedied in 4.0 (multitasking, folders, multiple email accounts).
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Nothing to do with google. They have their own app that ties into their calendar service. Anyone that wants to create their own app that's compatible with any format under the sun is free to do so.
 
Oh nice! I forgot about this...I'll check it out now.

Where's my app portability??? :)
I'll reply later but just letting you know (you probably already know) that many of your issues with the exsisting iPhone OS are remedied in 4.0 (multitasking, folders, multiple email accounts).
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Who are you kidding, I know, theNEOone. You are obsessed with the Apple worshipping thing. You basically said the the iPad was going to be a failure. Your a joke. Why don't you admit that you are wrong?
First, you are missing the point. You asked whether or not I thought that we would see a dismal stock price. I said "no". The iPad will still sell poorly , but it's irrelevant because Apple has a strong product lineup.
BTW notice who was the first to reply on the post just like this one, theNEOone
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1017&message=34406839

According to reports this device is outpacing Apples forecast for sales. This forum is full of your negative and now proven incorrect comments about the iPad.
BTW, my PC based friend got one. He loves it.

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sorry, i do not agree.
applications are not content, at all.

what we call content has nothing to do with the technology you use for it, whereas applications MUST match the underlying hardware and software.
This is false. 3 years ago, music purchased in iTunes was only playable on iPods. By your definition, because the music purchased was dependent on underlying hardware/software, it wasn't content. Clearly this logic is false. Music is music. Does the simple addition of DRM determine whether something is content or not? Of course not. You see where your logic fails?

I suppose that "content" might not clearly be defined, but think about how you purchase and use music. You buy "units" of music (songs/albums) for entertainment (listening). How about apps? These are occasionally used for entertainment as well. You buy units of apps (a game, for example) for entertainment (to play). The fact that the content is more complex (i.e., you're interacting with it) has nothing to do with it not being content. Applications for productivity are the same, but fill a different usage niche.

I don't disagree with anything else in your post.
 
Lol. iAds. Apple sells and hosts the ads - 60/40 split to Apple. I'll give them one thing, they know how to make money.

Unified inbox + threaded messages: huge (finally)

Multitasking (with 7 new APIs): huge (finally)

Game center: could be huge, very Xbox Live-ish.

Folders: better organization (finally)

iBooks: meh

It's a shame they didn't touch their notification system. It's got epic fail written all over it. But instead of changing they instead decide to double down by allowing push-notifications to be initiated by 3rd party servers. Argh.

And where are my widgets?!?! Apple pioneered widgets, yet they're hell-bent on keeping them off the iPhone. Why?!?!

And of course, still limited in terms of portability.

I support their move to HTML 5, but ignoring the huge gaping Flash hole is just stubbornness. Why not support Flash but simultaneously push HTML 5. Is it really that hard, or will it be like copy/paste, MMS, multitasking, and unified inboxes - 2 years late to the party?

Overall, a great update. A step in the right direction, but not enough to keep me.
Oh nice! I forgot about this...I'll check it out now.

Where's my app portability??? :)
Not going to happen! :)

Neither is Flash, all HTML5.

Christian Wagner
lifevicarious.com
 
Flash ='s bye bye battery life if you haven't noticed. Fine on the full sized computers, bad on a mobile device. Case in point: JooJoo. Flash off, 5+ hours, Flash on, 2.5 hours.
 
You are really starting to remind me of a parrot that can say one thing. Everyone first walks into the house and the parrot talks, everyone is amazed. This parrot is brilliant, it can talk, even if what it said wasn't technically accurate or proper composed sentences. I mean, it is amazing...a talking bird, don't they just usually squawk? Then after sitting and listening to the parrot say the same exact thing over and over and over their attitude changes. It turns out it doesn't take intelligence to just say the same thing repeatedly, a broken record player can achieve that and most would argue has no intelligence.

Can't you go to the Nikon forum and complain about how closed their system is? I mean, you can't just take all your Nikon lenses and go use them on a new Sony or Canon body, what gives? How dare they close you in! Oh, sure, there may be some hack mount adapters out there for some conversions but that's not the same thing, because you lose features.
And of course, still limited in terms of portability.
 
Lol. iAds. Apple sells and hosts the ads - 60/40 split to Apple. I'll give them one thing, they know how to make money.
How much does Google get of the revenue earned from someone clicking on a link on my site (this assumes I had ads on my site but you understand the point)?

Would it be better for the developer if it was more? Sure. But Apple certainly deserves something for getting people to come to the app, just as Google does. Google doesn't do things for free either.
And where are my widgets?!?! Apple pioneered widgets, yet they're hell-bent on keeping them off the iPhone. Why?!?!
THe live blog I was following showed that he was asked about widgets and the response by Apple (I assume Jobs) was anything is possible.

And to be honest, I don't really understand what you mean by widgets. I use a handful of widgets on my imac but I kind of looked at all apps on my iphone as a widget, especially now that there is multitasking. What exactly do you want?
I support their move to HTML 5, but ignoring the huge gaping Flash hole is just stubbornness. Why not support Flash but simultaneously push HTML 5. Is it really that hard, or will it be like copy/paste, MMS, multitasking, and unified inboxes - 2 years late to the party?
Because they don't like adobe and believe that there are better solutions then Flash. Not to mention it would take away from the app store if you could play flash games via web.
Overall, a great update. A step in the right direction, but not enough to keep me.
Fair enough, and Android doesn't have enough to earn my business. I'm looking forward to the next iPhone and my 3G iPad! :)

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Lol, the JooJoo. I laugh every time I think of the name and the story behind it....

But to your point. Yes, Flash is very CPU-intensive and horribly inefficient, which is why I support the move to HTML 5 in the long term. But don't quit cold-turkey. Let me have the choice of whether or not I visit Flash-based websites....
Flash ='s bye bye battery life if you haven't noticed. Fine on the full sized computers, bad on a mobile device. Case in point: JooJoo. Flash off, 5+ hours, Flash on, 2.5 hours.
 

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