Pentax Fixes

... because I sent my 50-135 in on Oct 27th and guess what?

There must be soooo many in stock because of all the negative PR that they just gave me a new one.

Ok, ok.... I don't know the real reason. I'm just happy to have it back.

That's 23 days from dropping it off locally (Calgary), shipping to somewhere in the GTA, waiting for evaluation, replacement, shipping back, and the store calling me.

I just picked it up an hour ago, and I'm a happy camper:
  • it's fast (faster than my first one)
  • it's quiet (the first one 'squeaked' - when it worked)
  • it works RIGHT away, the first time the shutter is half pressed, no hesitation.
  • it's confident - it locks focus and doesn't go hunting, even on low light targets (ie, under my desk :p )
My first one did none of these things reliably, or at all, from day 1.

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the SDM issue has left the pentax specific forums and become widely known over the dozen or more photo forums i visit and even into non photo related forums that i visit.
Just a voice of one...

I'd drop the $819 today on the lens I would like - the DA* 50-135, if Pentax did any ONE of the following:

1. Came out with a generation II DA* lens, and said nothing more (I'd give them the benefit of the doubt)

2. Released a statement about SDM rumored issues (depending on what was said of course, but I'd be willing to believe a statement saying the failure rate is not unusual, and I'd be willing to take any proscribed user actions required to maintain the lens or prevent/remedy SDM problems)

3. Increased the warranty to include > =4 year SDM related failures (like the Sigma warranty)

4. Added firmware changes for my camera body or a lens switch to operate in screw drive mode
 
I am just about to pull the trigger on a non-SDM lens, but still have not commited because I am worried about the investment. I could sell the relatively small kit I have and jump at a great deal on a 50D or D90 and be part of the masses. Not usually my thing to go with the crowd, but at this point I am (and for the last 18 months) I have had a nagging feeling about investing any more of my hard earned money into Pentax after I felt they dropped the ball for the us K10D owners when they didn't give us one last firmware update to include the lens BF/FF adjustment in the menu (still using the hacked 1.10 firmware to allow access). All the new issues just add fuel to that fire in my mind.
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Long ago I invested into an Olympus OM2n with lenses and all... today...not one of my lenses directly supported by Olympus, yet the company is alive and well. Same can be said for Nikon on older non SDM lenses and non-pro cameras. I am hopeful that no matter what happens to Pentax/Hoya that a PK mount camera will be manufactured by someone, or else at the very least will be able to use my lenses through an adaptor of sort (Micro 4/3rd as an example). Where's there is a demand, there will be an offering of some sort to hack Pentax lenses to work on other systems. If anything, Pentax is the most backward compatible DSLR provider of all companies out there, virtually supporting any lens ever made by Pentax, hard to believe that Samsung wouldn't contiue supporting the PK mount and not take advantage of Pentax fall would it ever happen (and it might well happen if we're to listen to some folks in this forum ! ) Worst case... I'll buy 4 K7 bodies to keep me going until I die ;-)

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But I am very disapointed in Pentax at the moment, it would be such a simple thing to include switchable SDM/SD which would quieten down more than half the complaints and make it look like they are at least doing something until repairs/redesigns are done.
they have already lost a few sales of SDM lenses to me alone let alone the rest of the world.
My point exactly about the SDM/SD switch.

Not only has Pentax lost an SDM customer, but they've also lost a customer thinking of upgrading to the K7. If I do happen to upgrade to the K7, I'm going with a Sigma 50-150 or Sigma 70-200, possibly selling the 50-135 SDM. Since the 50-135 can only use SDM on the K7 body, there's no need for it. The SDM AF and general response is too slow for me. And it's not the fault of my camera or lens. It's just how it's made. I'm using a K10D without the latest firmware, just to use the 50-135 with screw drive. Screw drive is FASTER than SDM, which makes little sense to anyone but a sympathizer.

No wonky speed SDM lens for me. Let's call a spade a spade, and stop trying to protect Pentax here: SDM is fuddy duddy and quack.

And therefore, if Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must aquit. The defense rests. :)
 
Seems you've gotten a better result than Russell Evans has - not that I'm surprised.
 
Seems you've gotten a better result than Russell Evans has - not that I'm surprised.
I just don't want to have 23 days without my "working for now" lens at this time. I still have enough warranty left to get through the holidays and then some, so beginning of the year I will be looking to send mine in. If it completely stops working, in it goes. In the mean time, please feel free to complain about my lens at your leisure.

Thank you
Russell

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... because I sent my 50-135 in on Oct 27th and guess what?

I just picked it up an hour ago, and I'm a happy camper:
  • it's fast (faster than my first one)
  • it's quiet (the first one 'squeaked' - when it worked)
  • it works RIGHT away, the first time the shutter is half pressed, no hesitation.
  • it's confident - it locks focus and doesn't go hunting, even on low light targets (ie, under my desk :p )
My first one did none of these things reliably, or at all, from day 1.
This is the second such report we have seen here. It appears that Pentax has improved things in this lens--naturally without announcing anything.

This is how Pentax will resolve the SDM problem--quietly, no announcement. That is just how Pentax operates.

Joe
 
Exactly. If they just did that, even without explaining why, I would start having a look at those lenses that seems so nice in every other regard.

But I don't see this happening because

1. I guess it is more expensive producing lenses with dual focusing mechanisms

2. Admitting the problem would make them lose face, which I have been led to believe is a pretty big deal over there. Maybe if it was done without explaining the reason why.
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This is the second such report we have seen here. It appears that Pentax has improved things in this lens--naturally without announcing anything.

This is how Pentax will resolve the SDM problem--quietly, no announcement. That is just how Pentax operates.
This was posted seven days ago by Mike V99:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=33668975

" My head is ready to explode. After 2 plus months, my DA*16-50SDM has finally returned from CRIS, the Pentax repair facility. I was charge $229, postpaid. It says they changed the autofocus motor. I eagerly put it on my brand new K7. SDM, DEAD. I put it on my K-20D, SDM, DEAD. I put it on my K-10D. SDM, DEAD. (All of my bodies will focus with my DA*50-135 SDM, so it is not a body issue. I seem to have been charged for having shipped my lens to them and having it returned, because I can't see that anything was done to it. I am fed up. "

He followed up with:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=33669083

" Anyway, I have been playing with the lens on my K-7 since my last post a little while ago. Worked the manual ring back and forth and kept my finger on the AF button. It just started working. Now I can't tell if they did touch it and the new motor has the same problem, or its the same old motor and its doing its sleepy head wake up routine. "

So how is it that Pentax handles things?

Thank you
Russell

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Since my first DSLR back in late 2004 and my joining this forum i have constantly been amazed by Pentaxes quick response to problems with new gear ... quite often i would see a fix happen with relatively few people on this forum complaining about it and without seeing the same problem myself.

Firmware updates came through with fixes for things that hadn't even been talked about in the forum.
Actually this happened with v1.02 on the K7. They fixed a problem with the grip that nobody (apart from me) seemed to mention.
There was quite often stories about fixes done after the warranty period was up which gave me a warm feeling and much confidence about buying new Pentax gear.
Its mostly about perception. However, Pentax have now outsourced this operation so dont expect an independent company to operate at zero profit.
Lately though ... They seem to be ignoring any small problems that come up and the problems that do happen seem to get blown out to be even bigger.

When a BIG problem such as the SDM issues comes up [and there is no denying it is a big problem] their refusal to acknowledge its existance allows it to become a HUGE problem.
I strongly suspect they need to assess the extent and nature of the problem first. However I do believe that they can afford to offer a 5 year warranty in the meantime to divert criticism. I suspect they have already changed the source of motors for later lenses to reduce the incidence of early faults but may well NOT have been aware of the tendency to fail in the longer term. This may have more complex causes.

Whether anyone likes it or not, it will take a while to decide on an effective fix and a strategy for dealing with existing lenses. They are only barely profitable right now so dont expect massive handouts.
the SDM issue has left the pentax specific forums and become widely known over the dozen or more photo forums i visit and even into non photo related forums that i visit.
[and before you ask, i only talk about Pentax problems here and "over there"]

I quite often see threads about "what new camera to get?" and see an increase number of responses saying "I wouldn't get the Pentax, not with the problems they are having!"

In all good concience i can not recommend Pentax any longer to these newbies... i just say nothing.
Knowing the issues EVERYONE is having now, I am just honest. I say buy a Pentax but take out an extended warranty of you get any SDM lenses. Most people just buy a Kx and kit lens, and they should be just fine.
If it is Hoya's influence to "deny everything" and "don't fix anything" then they have done the more harm to Pentax's reputation than anything ever done in the past. Shame Shame Shame!
They have denied nothing, they have just not admitted anything....yet. If they do, then I suspect it will be like Canon and the 1Dmk3 - they will wait until they have a solution and a strategy worked out which is fully costed. In Canon's case this took nearly a year. In Nikons case I dont think they EVER admitted their first SWM lenses had a problem and Canon is pretty quiet about some of its problem lenses.
[just my opinion of course] ;)
Its a perfectly reasonable opinion as far as it goes, I dont think anyone disagrees they need to act, but this does not justify any of the invective aimed at fellow forum members or Pentax employees by a minority of "campaigners".

Nor does it change the fact that Pentax's demise would serve nobody's interest.

And if I really thought there was a serious issue I would switch brands, but all I see is the same people repeating the same thing over and over again. We still have no idea what the failure rate is - only that its affected a lot of early adopters.

If I suffer from an SDM problem, I will get if fixed. It wont be the first lens issue I have had, and it wont be the last I am sure. Its just life, not life and death.

Hopefully Pentax will come up with something that will restore confidence in the brand, even if they cannot provide an immediate technical solution, because the cat is out of the bag anyway (even if the cat turns out to be more of a kitten than a lion).

However they have taken massive headcount reductions and I suspect this will have a bearing on the time it takes to solve this problem.
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Wow, your responses to anything other than your view leave one to believe that you are extremely desperate, of low intelligence, and childish.
I'm of low intelligence and childish? That's a laugh coming from someone who needs to resort to name calling to get their point across, ie blind fanboy and now of low intelligence and childish. I think youi need to have a good look at yourself . Oh, and I'll have you know my IQ is well above average, how about yours.
If there is any one person to pick that is doing the most harm to Pentax in this thread it is definitely you Lance B.
The most damage is being done by the constant whining, not the issue itself.
I am satisfied with the information I posted as an unbiased user's account. I am neither a fanatical Pentax hater or a blind fanboy like yourself. I am somewhere in the bell curve.

I am involved with marketing on a daily basis. It is apparent that you do not know anything about marketing in the modern day.
I run my own successful company so, I think I am know about how to market and sell a product.
Only 18% of people trust advertisements.
I, or I'm sure anyone, could have told you that very few people trust advertising and also in this case it is completely irrelevent so do not bring it up to muddy the discussion.
We have become very skeptical consumers as a whole. Customer reviews carry the most weight (somewhere around 78% of customers research customer reviews or ask their family/friend who is considered the expert- who usually goes online to research products themselves- before making a large purchase). Is this forum the worst thing we could do to Pentax? No. If I wanted to attack the company, I would suggest to all pentaxians who have failed SDM drives or K-X battery issues to go to Amazon,adorama, bhphoto,epinions and give full disclosure of the issues they have had with the product and list the pros as well under the product review section. That would be the most devastating to thing we could do to their ability to sell and therefore cause them to rectify the situation ASAP or at least address the problem to cool off their customer base. Their silence and past inactions on the items I previously mentioned in this post simply fan the flames. I didn't add that however in my original post did I?
Did you not read my original post? I suggested that people write to Pentax and send their faulty lenses back for repair. If they purchased it off Amazon, B&H, Adorama, then this would be their first port of call as they are the very places they purchased their lenses and also a place to write their dissatisfaction.
Watching Pentax go down doesn't help anyone, except Canon and Nikon. That does not change my attitude towards not wanting to invest in more dedicated gear for Pentax though. Why would I want to risk my money on a lens that may not have a digital body to work on it within the next couple of years?
Not purcahsing a lens short term, ie until the issue is corrected, is not as harmful as actually turning people away from the brand because of a fear they might get a faulty lens that many may not purchase anyway.
This is not a concern for Canon, Nikon or even Sony at this point. It is a real concern for Pentax. If anyone had to pick a DSLR brand that would go under within the next 5 years it would definitely be Pentax.
And fanned by the likes of you and others, this will be more likely to happen.
I will not comment to your personal attacks on myself or any other poster because it is a waste of my time with the likes of you. Keep fanning these flames and see how it works out for you...
Interesting you should say that I have made personal attacks on you, you are blind to your own writings. Maybe you can point out where I personally attacked you? Your first response to my post was to call me a fanatic and fanboy and then further backed up by this post. You then say that I am of low intelligence and are childish, when I did not call you any names at all. I think you should take a good look at youself before pointing the finger with your holier than thou attitude. And they call me egotistical.

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However, in addition to or maybe more important than raising these issues here, email Pentax or even print a letter and use snailmail. I do not think it will make a lot of difference, but at least you tried. I guess they somewhat follow forums, but I feel that we are a bunch of eLunatics to them anyway...
Yeah, great idea. Don't do anything and that will fix the lens issue. Not.
I have a hard time correlating your sentence to my paragraph. Care to elaborate? Where did I suggest that anyone should do nothing? Or that doing nothing would help anything?
Maybe I overreacted to your "email Pentax or even print a letter and use snailmail. I do not think it will make a lot of difference, but at least you tried" reference. I assumed (incorrectly, maybe) that this was directed at my original post saying that those that have an SDM issue should write a letter to Pentax stating our dissatisfaction about the problem. I assumed that you were having a dig at me for saying that.

I apologise for jumping to conclusions.
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Since my first DSLR back in late 2004 and my joining this forum i have constantly been amazed by Pentaxes quick response to problems with new gear ... quite often i would see a fix happen with relatively few people on this forum complaining about it and without seeing the same problem myself.

Firmware updates came through with fixes for things that hadn't even been talked about in the forum.
Actually this happened with v1.02 on the K7. They fixed a problem with the grip that nobody (apart from me) seemed to mention.
There was quite often stories about fixes done after the warranty period was up which gave me a warm feeling and much confidence about buying new Pentax gear.
Its mostly about perception. However, Pentax have now outsourced this operation so dont expect an independent company to operate at zero profit.
Lately though ... They seem to be ignoring any small problems that come up and the problems that do happen seem to get blown out to be even bigger.

When a BIG problem such as the SDM issues comes up [and there is no denying it is a big problem] their refusal to acknowledge its existance allows it to become a HUGE problem.
I strongly suspect they need to assess the extent and nature of the problem first. However I do believe that they can afford to offer a 5 year warranty in the meantime to divert criticism. I suspect they have already changed the source of motors for later lenses to reduce the incidence of early faults but may well NOT have been aware of the tendency to fail in the longer term. This may have more complex causes.

Whether anyone likes it or not, it will take a while to decide on an effective fix and a strategy for dealing with existing lenses. They are only barely profitable right now so dont expect massive handouts.
the SDM issue has left the pentax specific forums and become widely known over the dozen or more photo forums i visit and even into non photo related forums that i visit.
[and before you ask, i only talk about Pentax problems here and "over there"]

I quite often see threads about "what new camera to get?" and see an increase number of responses saying "I wouldn't get the Pentax, not with the problems they are having!"

In all good concience i can not recommend Pentax any longer to these newbies... i just say nothing.
Knowing the issues EVERYONE is having now, I am just honest. I say buy a Pentax but take out an extended warranty of you get any SDM lenses. Most people just buy a Kx and kit lens, and they should be just fine.
If it is Hoya's influence to "deny everything" and "don't fix anything" then they have done the more harm to Pentax's reputation than anything ever done in the past. Shame Shame Shame!
They have denied nothing, they have just not admitted anything....yet. If they do, then I suspect it will be like Canon and the 1Dmk3 - they will wait until they have a solution and a strategy worked out which is fully costed. In Canon's case this took nearly a year. In Nikons case I dont think they EVER admitted their first SWM lenses had a problem and Canon is pretty quiet about some of its problem lenses.
[just my opinion of course] ;)
Its a perfectly reasonable opinion as far as it goes, I dont think anyone disagrees they need to act, but this does not justify any of the invective aimed at fellow forum members or Pentax employees by a minority of "campaigners".

Nor does it change the fact that Pentax's demise would serve nobody's interest.

And if I really thought there was a serious issue I would switch brands, but all I see is the same people repeating the same thing over and over again. We still have no idea what the failure rate is - only that its affected a lot of early adopters.

If I suffer from an SDM problem, I will get if fixed. It wont be the first lens issue I have had, and it wont be the last I am sure. Its just life, not life and death.

Hopefully Pentax will come up with something that will restore confidence in the brand, even if they cannot provide an immediate technical solution, because the cat is out of the bag anyway (even if the cat turns out to be more of a kitten than a lion).

However they have taken massive headcount reductions and I suspect this will have a bearing on the time it takes to solve this problem.
A very good post, Steve, as always.
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As you can see from to old thread from July, I am not the only one with this "fault". I have also reported it to Pentax Europe on their support page, but got no feedback at all if this is a fault with only my camera or if it's a firmware fix.
 
Okay, assume they still are. Lance, can you give a date when Pentax will be out of this transition period, so by then we can truly judge its actions without excuses?
Get real. What a stupid question to ask.
But please Lance, humour us, why was that a stupid question to ask? Just how long are you prepared to give Hoya to get their corporate act together? More to the point, how long do you think WE should give them? Another week? A month? Until the New Year? Perhaps the end of 2010? If not a precise date Lance, can you suggest which YEAR it might be? Surely that isn't too much to ask?
Are you really that thick? I am surprised that you need it spelt out, no, wait, I take it back, yes you would need it spelt out, so, seeing as you are so slow, I will say it slowly. The stupid question is asking when I, or anyone, can give an exact date as to when Pentax will be out of their transitional period. I mean, if you really think that anyone would actually know that is a moron.
Hmmm, now I've read what wy2lam wrote again and again and nowhere do I see the word "exact" there, as in "..an exact date.." as you've written above. So once again you change what people write to further your own argument, a ploy you use often. A date (and obviously I have to explain this because you're not bright enough to catch on) can be given as dd/mm/yy or mm/yy or even yyyy as anyone who uses a computer will recognise. So unless you are being intentionally oblique (ok, read devious) which you obviously are, you know that even an approximate date would still qualify as a date. So once again Lance - no, let's put it another way. How long DO YOU THINK IS A REASONABLE TIME FRAME for Pentax/Hoya to get their act together? Are you thinking months? Years? Decades? Remember I'm slow and a moron so take your time and answer slowly.

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... of one of those heroes in a swashbuckling movie, flailing around himself with a big sword, valliantly trying to defend the castle drawbridge from the unwashed hordes. Yes, quite amusing.
LOL. Your silly juvenile analogy is funny, not because of what you actually suggest but your inane attempt at ridicule. I can just imagine you sitting there vainly trying to think up humorous quips
You cut me to the quick, Lance (perhaps that's that big sword at work?) - I didn't think my attempts at humour were in vain at all. Darn!
in a forlorn attempt to make yourself look like the wise old seer
Hey, not so much of the old mate - that's an insult I don't like. And my white hair is only because I've had a hard life.
while actually making youself look like a fool, just like the court jester. So, your idea of a castle kingdom is quite apt.
Glad you agree and approve of at least some of my ideas.
(Note to self:- must think up more ideas that appeal to Lance).

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