Phil Forister
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How does the D60 fair at higer ISO settings?
How does the D60 fair at higer ISO settings?
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Peter (B)
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Well, that all depends how you judge the noise that occurs at these higher ISO values. I myself find 400 ISO not acceptable (let's not even talk about 800 or 1000). However this is a very subjective matter. Noise is best visible in large (almost) even light areas (a clear blue sky for instance). I mostly shoot outdoors, so light sky is in a lot of my pictures so I may be overly critical with regard to noise. Nevertheless the noise level was one of the deciding factors why I bought a D60. The 2 alternatives (Fuji S2 & Nikon D100) have clearly more noise. Depending on the actual use ISO 400 might be acceptable, but I don't think 800 or 1000 are really practical in most cases.
In the beginning there was nothing, and then even that exploded.
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In the beginning there was nothing, and then even that exploded.
vlaag
Well-known member
Some examples at 1000 ISO, sometimes it is needed to use it
(only resized them)
(only resized them)
Phil Forister
Forum Enthusiast
vlaag,
Those 1000iso pictures are great! How much shutter speed did you gain by boosting the ISO?
Those 1000iso pictures are great! How much shutter speed did you gain by boosting the ISO?
Some examples at 1000 ISO, sometimes it is needed to use it
(only resized them)
EJE
Leading Member
Well....how about 3.25 stops.......
Those 1000iso pictures are great! How much shutter speed did you
gain by boosting the ISO?
Some examples at 1000 ISO, sometimes it is needed to use it
(only resized them)
Michael S.
Veteran Member
Peter (B) wrote:
The 2 alternatives (Fuji S2 & Nikon
you might be kidding...at higher iso the D-100 is far better then a D-60
concerning noise...not a low iso, but at high...take a look:
(all handheld with 80-200mm zoom with iso 1000!)
kind regards,
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Michael S.
Austria/EUROPE
D-100, 18-35 nikkor, 28-105 nikkor, 80-200 2,8 AFS nikkor,
MB-100, SB-80DX, image-tank 20GB
The 2 alternatives (Fuji S2 & Nikon
hi peter!
you might be kidding...at higher iso the D-100 is far better then a D-60
concerning noise...not a low iso, but at high...take a look:
(all handheld with 80-200mm zoom with iso 1000!)
kind regards,
--
Michael S.
Austria/EUROPE
D-100, 18-35 nikkor, 28-105 nikkor, 80-200 2,8 AFS nikkor,
MB-100, SB-80DX, image-tank 20GB
Peter (B)
Forum Enthusiast
The reduced size image it useless to evaluate noise. If you want to do that, please take a 100 % crop of a even area. That way you can really compare them. Also you should keep the shutter time identical between comparisons. That way you can honestly compare the noise level.
In the beginning there was nothing, and then even that exploded.
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In the beginning there was nothing, and then even that exploded.
Phil Forister
Forum Enthusiast
Does anyone have some 400iso or greater images on pbase or sometrhing? It would be nice to evaluate some full sized images. I doubt I'd boost the ISO often. But I wonder if I'll prefer a little noise over flash?!?
Ken Rimple
Senior Member
Phil,
Actually, I recently (re)bought a 28-135MM IS and a Tokina 20-35mm lens, and went to try them out today. My first shots of a flag put up after 9/11 in our town were inadvertantly set at 1000 ISO. This is the extracted JPEG image from the CRW file, with absolutely nothing done to it (except resize to 800 width):
Also, it appears that, as I was shooting at f/16 (must have been program mode) I have a dust mote that appears at high f-stops (I've seen it before) on the left top of the image. Must do something about that.
Like others have said, if you underexpose in ISO 1000, forget it. Terrible noise. So overcompensate, and you could do OK. I also use Fred Miranda's ISO 1000 noise reduction actions from photoshop.
Finally, here is the EXIF info:
2002.09.11 14:19:43
28-135mm @ 65.0mm
Subject dist: 21m
1/500 sec, f/14
Mode: Program
Metering: Center-weighted average
ISO: 1000
AF mode: AI Servo AF
Drive: Single frame shooting
White balance: Auto
Flash: Off
File size: 1,878KB
Image size: 2048 x 1360
Saturation: High
Sharpness: High
Contrast: Normal
Custom Functions:
CFn 2: Shutter release: AE lock; AE button: AE + AF
CFn 4: Tv/Av and exposure level: 1/3 stop
CFn 6: Shutter speed in Av mode: 1/200 (with flash)
CFn 8: Shutter curtain sync: 2nd-curtain sync
CFn 10: Auto reduction of fill flash: Disabled
CFn 11: Menu button return position: Previous
CFn 12: SET button function when shooting: Change ISO speed
Ken Rimple
Newtown Square, PA
Pbase portfolio: http://www.pbase.com/krimple
I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it.
-- Early Adopter (fool)
Ken Rimple
[email protected]
Newtown Square PA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/krimple
Actually, I recently (re)bought a 28-135MM IS and a Tokina 20-35mm lens, and went to try them out today. My first shots of a flag put up after 9/11 in our town were inadvertantly set at 1000 ISO. This is the extracted JPEG image from the CRW file, with absolutely nothing done to it (except resize to 800 width):
Also, it appears that, as I was shooting at f/16 (must have been program mode) I have a dust mote that appears at high f-stops (I've seen it before) on the left top of the image. Must do something about that.
Like others have said, if you underexpose in ISO 1000, forget it. Terrible noise. So overcompensate, and you could do OK. I also use Fred Miranda's ISO 1000 noise reduction actions from photoshop.
Finally, here is the EXIF info:
2002.09.11 14:19:43
28-135mm @ 65.0mm
Subject dist: 21m
1/500 sec, f/14
Mode: Program
Metering: Center-weighted average
ISO: 1000
AF mode: AI Servo AF
Drive: Single frame shooting
White balance: Auto
Flash: Off
File size: 1,878KB
Image size: 2048 x 1360
Saturation: High
Sharpness: High
Contrast: Normal
Custom Functions:
CFn 2: Shutter release: AE lock; AE button: AE + AF
CFn 4: Tv/Av and exposure level: 1/3 stop
CFn 6: Shutter speed in Av mode: 1/200 (with flash)
CFn 8: Shutter curtain sync: 2nd-curtain sync
CFn 10: Auto reduction of fill flash: Disabled
CFn 11: Menu button return position: Previous
CFn 12: SET button function when shooting: Change ISO speed
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Ken Rimple
Newtown Square, PA
Pbase portfolio: http://www.pbase.com/krimple
I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it.
-- Early Adopter (fool)
Ken Rimple
[email protected]
Newtown Square PA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/krimple
vlaag
Well-known member
Okay here are some 100% crops from this msg
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3347627
pbase
http://www.pbase.com/vlaag/crop1000iso
crop1:
http://genji.image.pbase.com/u15/vlaag/upload/4725242.crop1.jpg
crop2:
http://genji.image.pbase.com/u15/vlaag/upload/4725243.crop2.jpg
crop3:
http://genji.image.pbase.com/u15/vlaag/upload/4725244.crop3.jpg
I do think the 1D wins.. But for me the D60 is very acceptable
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3347627
pbase
http://www.pbase.com/vlaag/crop1000iso
crop1:
http://genji.image.pbase.com/u15/vlaag/upload/4725242.crop1.jpg
crop2:
http://genji.image.pbase.com/u15/vlaag/upload/4725243.crop2.jpg
crop3:
http://genji.image.pbase.com/u15/vlaag/upload/4725244.crop3.jpg
I do think the 1D wins.. But for me the D60 is very acceptable
elequin
Well-known member
Here's a 100% crop of an ISO 800 shot, using a 50mm f1.8 at a very dark concert.. f1.8, 1/60..
You can see there definitely is some noise, which is hard to get rid of and keep detail.
Phil Forister
Forum Enthusiast
Thanks for poisting those crop shots. I can see the noise, but still I can see some usefullness in the higer iso settings.
LJ Wobker
Well-known member
I've got several full-size, unedited D60 images in my pbase area from a football game last weekend. These range from iso200 to iso800.
http://www.pbase.com/ljwobker
This one in particular shows a good bit of noise at iso800.
http://www.pbase.com/image/4661716
To me, iso400 on the D60 is very tolerable, and with a little photoshop it's hard to tell the difference between iso400 and iso100. Starting at 800 it gets a bit grainy, but in this case it was either grainy or blurry, so I did what I had to.
--lj
http://www.pbase.com/ljwobker
This one in particular shows a good bit of noise at iso800.
http://www.pbase.com/image/4661716
To me, iso400 on the D60 is very tolerable, and with a little photoshop it's hard to tell the difference between iso400 and iso100. Starting at 800 it gets a bit grainy, but in this case it was either grainy or blurry, so I did what I had to.
--lj
LJ Wobker
Well-known member
Ken-
I may be wrong here, but doesn't resizing an image by definition reduce the noise? If I remember my algorithms correctly, a resize downwards takes an algorithmic average of the nearby pixels for the target pixel -- meaning that you'll reduce the noise inherent in any one given pixel. Could you get a crop (not a resize) of one part of this original image and post it?
--lj
I may be wrong here, but doesn't resizing an image by definition reduce the noise? If I remember my algorithms correctly, a resize downwards takes an algorithmic average of the nearby pixels for the target pixel -- meaning that you'll reduce the noise inherent in any one given pixel. Could you get a crop (not a resize) of one part of this original image and post it?
--lj
Phil,
Actually, I recently (re)bought a 28-135MM IS and a Tokina 20-35mm
lens, and went to try them out today. My first shots of a flag put
up after 9/11 in our town were inadvertantly set at 1000 ISO. This
is the extracted JPEG image from the CRW file, with absolutely
nothing done to it (except resize to 800 width):
Ken Rimple
Senior Member
Good point. Here you go. (There definitely is noise. )
402 x 304 full-size crop :
And a link to the full CRW:
http://www.rimple.net/CRW_5970.crw
There is a lot of noise, especially in the red and banding in the blue. Could it be reflections in the non-coated polarizer I used?). Hope this helps.
Ken
Ken Rimple
Newtown Square, PA
Pbase portfolio: http://www.pbase.com/krimple
I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it.
-- Early Adopter (fool)
Ken Rimple
[email protected]
Newtown Square PA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/krimple
402 x 304 full-size crop :
And a link to the full CRW:
http://www.rimple.net/CRW_5970.crw
There is a lot of noise, especially in the red and banding in the blue. Could it be reflections in the non-coated polarizer I used?). Hope this helps.
Ken
----lj
Phil,
Actually, I recently (re)bought a 28-135MM IS and a Tokina 20-35mm
lens, and went to try them out today. My first shots of a flag put
up after 9/11 in our town were inadvertantly set at 1000 ISO. This
is the extracted JPEG image from the CRW file, with absolutely
nothing done to it (except resize to 800 width):
Ken Rimple
Newtown Square, PA
Pbase portfolio: http://www.pbase.com/krimple
I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it.
-- Early Adopter (fool)
Ken Rimple
[email protected]
Newtown Square PA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/krimple
Michael S.
Veteran Member
hi vpera!
I am not scared posting such an image...
taken with 200mm handheld (!), iso 1000 - out of camera...so
not even turned 90° counterclockwise...
comments welcome...
dl it here: http://members.inode.at/mi.schmidt/iso_1000_photo.htm
for my taste its pretty useful...
kind regards,
Michael S.
Austria/EUROPE
D-100, 18-35 nikkor, 28-105 nikkor, 80-200 2,8 AFS nikkor,
MB-100, SB-80DX, image-tank 20GB
I am not scared posting such an image...
taken with 200mm handheld (!), iso 1000 - out of camera...so
not even turned 90° counterclockwise...
comments welcome...
dl it here: http://members.inode.at/mi.schmidt/iso_1000_photo.htm
for my taste its pretty useful...
kind regards,
--
Michael S.
Austria/EUROPE
D-100, 18-35 nikkor, 28-105 nikkor, 80-200 2,8 AFS nikkor,
MB-100, SB-80DX, image-tank 20GB
Michael S.
Veteran Member
hail!
here we go...out of camera...as you can read in your exif-info...
http://members.inode.at/mi.schmidt/iso_1000_photo.htm
(be aware - 2,7 MB!!!)
kind regards,
Michael S.
Michael S.
Austria/EUROPE
D-100, 18-35 nikkor, 28-105 nikkor, 80-200 2,8 AFS nikkor,
MB-100, SB-80DX, image-tank 20GB
here we go...out of camera...as you can read in your exif-info...
http://members.inode.at/mi.schmidt/iso_1000_photo.htm
(be aware - 2,7 MB!!!)
kind regards,
Michael S.
--
Michael S.
Austria/EUROPE
D-100, 18-35 nikkor, 28-105 nikkor, 80-200 2,8 AFS nikkor,
MB-100, SB-80DX, image-tank 20GB
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