Resolution equivalent to film?

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I understand film cameras pretty well but not DLRS. What is the DSLR resolution equivalent to the following films? Or is that even a correct question to ask?
Kodachrome 25 and 64
Kodak Gold 100

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What the resolution of a film negative is (in Mp), or what Mp evens negative is a hard question.

I know there have been long discussions about digital never be as good as chemical, but that's some years back.

A bit complicating is the (digital) pixel-setup (in rows and collumns, quite distinctable) with possible aliassing and the fuzzy distribution of the grain in negatives.

My opinion is that my 10Mp camera is good enough for what I do.
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Way back near the beginning of digital, I once read on Kodak's web site that film (unspecified, but I would assume ISO 100 negative) was around 25MP.

Today, I would say the current 25MP DSLR's far surpass 35mm film and are well into medium format film territory. Now I think I would say somewhere around 10MP would easily match or beat film (at least at base ISO).

But it is not all that simple as a big digital enlargement is noise (ie: grain) free, while an equivalent enlargement from 35mm film will show grain. The digital will be much more appealing, even though it may have less detail.

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Personally, I think it's irrelevant.

Regardless of resolution, a 12MP APS-C DSLR can produce big prints that look better to me than color film at matching ISOs. Each has its differences; dynamic range, response curves, ability to record detail, but on balance, prints at around 18x24 from 12MP APS-C look "better" than anything I've seen from color film. Accutance and lack of grain goes a long way to compensate for any (theoretical) missing detail. And I'm personally convinced that 24MP FF shows more detail in a print than any 35mm same-ISO color film.
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on luminouslandscape.com michael reichman some time back had some comments on digital vs film. this was when he gotr a canon 1ds, which has 16mp.

at the time he said that the IQ of the canon 1ds was THEN better that the film he was using at the time. this means resolution. but the film images also had a certain realism smoothness lifelike look that the digital images did not.

so the answer to your question is-what is important to you? resolution or being lifelike as to the original scene. ??? endless higher resolution, meaning ever more mps, is not the answer; the IQ has to up as well and at the same rate.

resolution is not the ONLY measure of the quality of the image. note what happened when the makers went constantly up in mps for the p&s cameras. it got to the point that any iso beyond base iso or the next step up was useless. the high iso IQ of the p&s was so bad, still is in my opinion.
 
Years ago, I read that film is about 6,000 dpi. i.e. 6,000 bits of silver per inch that could be turned black when hit by light.

A 35mm negative is 24mmx36mm, so call it 1 x 1.5 inches. Or 51.5 MP.

I get why you ask, believe me, but as the other posts in this thread show, there's much more to the story than that. Coming from a film background, the question becomes: At what point is digital sufficiently good enough to equate to film, such that it's time to buy in. My best guess is that we hit that point somewhere around the 6 - 8 MP range.

Easy answer - go buy a 6-8 MP camera as cheap as you can, and go play. Yes, it's not the same as a DSLR camera / capability wise, but it will let you explore and answer the question, practically. When you buy your real camera, whatever / whenever that is, hand this one off to a grandchild, niece, nephew, Little Sister/Brother, whatever. It's disposable. In the meantime you will have had a chance to figure out what the new process that occurs is, after you press the shutter button.

The problem with film (now) is, the processing and distribution of the results is now all by computer. No more chemicals and darkroom. No more printing of 4x6's (and processing costs and time) - you show people your pictures on the computer, via e-mail, or via posting to flickr (or something).

All bets are off for pros, be it magazine or billboard, or studio shoots, but that is likely not you. (Odds are.) Even there, where 54MP medium-format backs are probably used, the results will be sent and processed electronically, and sent to a printing device that gets its input via computer. Still, no chemicals.

Even movies are headed more towards HD video than 35mm film. (I'm guessing.)

To say that 51.5 MP is the digital equivalent to film is ridiculous. In a sense. As this thread shows, there's so much more to the equation than that. But until you try digital (say, 6-8 MP) you won't be able to diminish the MP question far enough to answer for yourself 'How good is good enough?' and get on to other equally or more important factors. Such as 'Interchangeable lenses?'

Printing, say, a 16x20, would be 22 MP (266dpi, the human eye can't see detail finer than that, from any reasonable distance), shows that a 51.5 MP file buys you nothing. Combine with advances in the processing, within the camera, within the computer application, and within the printer, says that something somewhat less than 22 MP will produce something indistiguishably 'good enough'.

But, you're not likely to print too much that big, film processing is dead enough to be an inhibitor to taking any pictures at all, so just go buy a P&S for those family pics, and get on with your day.

The only real decision factor, to my mind, is - how far do you typically blow up pictures? e.g. If you take a family shot from a fair distance, and want a head shot of a particular individual, will you still have 300 dpi of resolution in your original image to produce the print size you want?

I think, somewhere above 5 MP, will have enough.

I don't think one can answer for themselves "How good is good enough?", without buying something, anything, and experiencing it, to reduce the significance of that question by the context of the many other questions that will arise. Just go buy something, anything, knowing that it's disposable and you'll be buying something else within a reasonably short period of time. Besides, it's always good to have a backup camera around. Even if only to hand to a buddy to say take some shots from a perspective different than I am.
 
In a sense, it's not a correct question to ask, but see other posts.

Your films don't really matter, their ISOs do. ISO is also used in digital, but is used to keep something approximately familiar for film users.

ISO in digital is an indicator of noise coming off the sensor, vs. the film equivalent of silver particle size in the emulsion.

Bigger silver blown up bigger contains less detail than smaller silver. As you increase the gain of a sensor, you also increase the noise (distortion) - think of playing a speaker loudly, it becomes harder to hear the consonants of what the song lyrics are.

The strangeness of digital is that you can change ISO from shot to shot - equivalent to changing film mid-roll. Much more convenient to just change a setting. Any you never have to take a few extra shots to finish off a roll.

And ISO starts to matter less (i.e. by using ISO 100 instead of ISO 400), due to the capability of post-processing to work with things.
 
The are good answers, but it's past mattering now. I shot and processed film for 30 years then started moving into digital about 10 years ago. At first there was no contest, film was just better in every way. Now, it simply does not matter except the digital is easier in every way. Even for very technical photographers, it's just easier to use a modern digital camera, a good computer and Photoshop or other processing software than it ever was and way, way quicker. I loved my darkroom, but I'll never go back to it.
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In most ways, DSLR's passed 35mm film in image quality at 6 megapixels . . . basically around four years ago.

35mm film still has a few advantages over digital, but not many.

Probably the one area that 35mm is definately better than digital is in shooting black & white.

Digital just doesn't do justice to black & white . . . yet.

I have several color 20 x 30 prints from both 35mm film and 6+ megapixel APS-C DSLR's, and the digital images are clearly sharper, no grain (noise), and show much more detail.

And these digital prints are all from JPEG's . . . not RAW files.

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