I cannot stand it.. I need a tele and wide prime!!!

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Waiting and being patience has not been one of my forte... so Olympus, when are you coming out with UWA prime and 100-300 tele??!!!
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Tools: Olympus E-P1, 14-42mm, 17mm, VF-1
 
Waiting and being patience has not been one of my forte... so Olympus, when are you coming out with UWA prime and 100-300 tele??!!!
Panasonic will make a 100-300 tele so the likelihood of Olympus duplicating that seems slim.
 
In addition to the aforementioned 100-300 lens, Panasonic has an 8mm fisheye on their 2010 roadmap.
. . . Is there a link to that road map?

. . What is the expected price for the 100-300?
 
Careful with jumping to conclusions... after all, Panasonic is making their own 17mm pancake.
Nope. But even if they were, kit lenses are different - they must have a lens to sell with the camera they are making and if they buy it from someone else, they will lose some profit. The production volume on a kit lens is sufficient to make it worth the effort even if it causes redundancy in the system.

But duplicating a relatively high-priced lens like a 100-300 would make little sense when so many other lens options are lacking.
 
. . What is the expected price for the 100-300?
Sony's 70-300/4.5-5.6 is £560+

Pentax' 55-300/4-5.8 is £290+

Nikon's 70-300 VR is £440+

Canon's 70-300 IS is £450+

So somewhere (depending on optical quality and build) in that range, or a little higher due to OIS vs. Sony/Pentax and lower production than Canikon, would be reasonable . But then there is no competition in µ43 which Panasonic have used this to double the price in other cases so anything is possible.
 
Will it be cheaper for Olympus to produce it without OIS?
. . What is the expected price for the 100-300?
Sony's 70-300/4.5-5.6 is £560+

Pentax' 55-300/4-5.8 is £290+

Nikon's 70-300 VR is £440+

Canon's 70-300 IS is £450+

So somewhere (depending on optical quality and build) in that range, or a little higher due to OIS vs. Sony/Pentax and lower production than Canikon, would be reasonable . But then there is no competition in µ43 which Panasonic have used this to double the price in other cases so anything is possible.
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Tools: Olympus E-P1, 14-42mm, 17mm, VF-1
 
Will it be cheaper for Olympus to produce it without OIS?
Yes it should be a bit cheaper. I'd guess at 15-20%, much depending on how many fewer lens elements the design would use.

But for this focal length range, I'd prefer OIS. Having the AF points stabilised at 300mm is worth a lot in AF speed and accuracy. And there's a good change of lens IS beating sensor IS at this FL range. Not to mention if you want to do any video.

And this is from someone who passed on the G1 due to lack of sensor IS.
 
Have you considered:

1)The Olympus 40-150mm or 70-300mm 4/3 zooms. These lenses are both fully specified for "live view" AF so should work well on a E-P1 with the Olympus M4/3 to 4/3 adapter and are well priced. The 70-300mm is selling in UK for £300 approx.

Olympus have said the intend to release a M4/3 "long zoom" early next year and most people seem to be expecting a 40-150mm.

2) Have you considered a Panasonic 7-14mm M4/3 zoom which is considered excellent but expensive and very compact for this type of lens. You might also consider the Olympus 9-18mm 4/3 zoom which is again fully "live view" AF specified and well priced This is a great lens but rather big - I use it on a G1 and it performs well although the AF is a little slow by G1 standards. (OK perhaps by E-P1 AF standards)

Olympus have said that they intend to release M4/3 "wide zoom" early next year and people seem to be expecting a 9-18mm.

I would say you have lots of options to ease your pain but it also depends on what you mean by UWA. I think UWA as 7 to 20mm perhaps.
Derek
 
. . What is the expected price for the 100-300?
Sony's 70-300/4.5-5.6 is £560+

Pentax' 55-300/4-5.8 is £290+

Nikon's 70-300 VR is £440+

Canon's 70-300 IS is £450+

So somewhere (depending on optical quality and build) in that range, or a little higher due to OIS vs. Sony/Pentax and lower production than Canikon, would be reasonable . But then there is no competition in µ43 which Panasonic have used this to double the price in other cases so anything is possible.
. . . Thanks. Looking at the prices of other Pany lenses like the 7-14, 14-140 and 45/2.8, etc. and the others that you've mentioned, I'm guessing now that the lowest likely price for the 100-300 will be in the $800 USD range but it might be as high as $1000. I'm betting it'll be closer to $800, just a hunch. Pany wants market penetration right now and aggressive pricing is helping them do that. Their other lenses are priced fairly low I think when you look at some other lense of the same quality from other OEM makers like Nikon for example. Pany is a large corporation that has the resources for this type of long range strategy.
 
. . What is the expected price for the 100-300?
Sony's 70-300/4.5-5.6 is £560+
Pentax' 55-300/4-5.8 is £290+
Nikon's 70-300 VR is £440+
Canon's 70-300 IS is £450+

So somewhere (depending on optical quality and build) in that range, or a little higher due to OIS vs. Sony/Pentax and lower production than Canikon, would be reasonable . But then there is no competition in µ43 which Panasonic have used this to double the price in other cases so anything is possible.
. . . Thanks. Looking at the prices of other Pany lenses like the 7-14, 14-140 and 45/2.8, etc.
The 14-140 isn't that unreasonable considering its high optical performance and HD functionality. But the other two, and the 20 when bought alone, are the ones I had in mind when I talked about doubled price.
Pany wants market penetration right now and aggressive pricing is helping them do that.
This doesn't seem to extend outside the kits, though. They count on people not researching accessory prices until they've bought into the system. Or people willing to pay a good deal extra for the new, compact technology.
Their other lenses are priced fairly low I think when you look at some other lense of the same quality from other OEM makers like Nikon for example.
The 14-45 seems to be an absolute bargain. The 45-200 is affordable enough not to give much reason for complaints as long as one has kit-lens expectations.
Pany is a large corporation that has the resources for this type of long range strategy.
They did very much with their digicam range, offering more than the competition for less and maybe still do. For their higher end stuff I'm not seeing that (low price for long term strategy), and it goes back all the way to the LC1 at least.
 
The 14-140 isn't that unreasonable considering its high optical performance and HD functionality. But the other two, and the 20 when bought alone, are the ones I had in mind when I talked about doubled price.
. . That 20/1.7 at $400 is a good price when you consider its exceptional IQ IMO.
Pany wants market penetration right now and aggressive pricing is helping them do that.
This doesn't seem to extend outside the kits, though. They count on people not researching accessory prices until they've bought into the system. Or people willing to pay a good deal extra for the new, compact technology.
. . . The only Panys that I think are a little overpriced are the 7-14 and maybe the 45/2.8. These are specialty lenses compared to some of the zooms I think and aren't considered large volume enough to matter very much to the marketing experts at Pany.
Their other lenses are priced fairly low I think when you look at some other lense of the same quality from other OEM makers like Nikon for example.
The 14-45 seems to be an absolute bargain. The 45-200 is affordable enough not to give much reason for complaints as long as one has kit-lens expectations.
. . . That's right and the 45-200 at $300 is a tremendous value compared to the $700 range of Canon and Nikon's super zooms that don't have the same level of IQ. If you want to put it up against Canon's 100-400/4-5.6/IS-L at $1200, you see comparable IQ capability at 1/4 of the price!
Pany is a large corporation that has the resources for this type of long range strategy.
They did very much with their digicam range, offering more than the competition for less and maybe still do. For their higher end stuff I'm not seeing that (low price for long term strategy), and it goes back all the way to the LC1 at least.
. . . Maybe they learned what not to do to get market share with the LC-1. I bet there's a warehouse somewhere that has a lot of them from the first year that it was introduced. It just never took off in sales.
 
I'm not sure if I want to add adapter to the lens setup or the price... seems trouble some to do that... with adapter and all those stuff...

When its a UWA, I would like it to be 7mm... :) Normally UWA, I can walk...
to zoom.. so I hope prime will reduce the size... :)
Have you considered:

1)The Olympus 40-150mm or 70-300mm 4/3 zooms. These lenses are both fully specified for "live view" AF so should work well on a E-P1 with the Olympus M4/3 to 4/3 adapter and are well priced. The 70-300mm is selling in UK for £300 approx.

Olympus have said the intend to release a M4/3 "long zoom" early next year and most people seem to be expecting a 40-150mm.

2) Have you considered a Panasonic 7-14mm M4/3 zoom which is considered excellent but expensive and very compact for this type of lens. You might also consider the Olympus 9-18mm 4/3 zoom which is again fully "live view" AF specified and well priced This is a great lens but rather big - I use it on a G1 and it performs well although the AF is a little slow by G1 standards. (OK perhaps by E-P1 AF standards)

Olympus have said that they intend to release M4/3 "wide zoom" early next year and people seem to be expecting a 9-18mm.

I would say you have lots of options to ease your pain but it also depends on what you mean by UWA. I think UWA as 7 to 20mm perhaps.
Derek
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Tools: Olympus E-P1, 14-42mm, 17mm, VF-1
 
The 14-140 isn't that unreasonable considering its high optical performance and HD functionality. But the other two, and the 20 when bought alone, are the ones I had in mind when I talked about doubled price.
. . That 20/1.7 at $400 is a good price when you consider its exceptional IQ IMO.
I have a hard time suppressing the thought that the Nikkor 35/1.8 DX is doing the same job at half the price.
Pany wants market penetration right now and aggressive pricing is helping them do that.
This doesn't seem to extend outside the kits, though. They count on people not researching accessory prices until they've bought into the system. Or people willing to pay a good deal extra for the new, compact technology.
. . . The only Panys that I think are a little overpriced are the 7-14 and maybe the 45/2.8. These are specialty lenses compared to some of the zooms I think and aren't considered large volume enough to matter very much to the marketing experts at Pany.
If we disregard the expensive lenses, there are not many left, though.
Their other lenses are priced fairly low I think when you look at some other lense of the same quality from other OEM makers like Nikon for example.
The 14-45 seems to be an absolute bargain. The 45-200 is affordable enough not to give much reason for complaints as long as one has kit-lens expectations.
. . . That's right and the 45-200 at $300 is a tremendous value compared to the $700 range of Canon and Nikon's super zooms that don't have the same level of IQ.
Not sure what lenses you have in mind. "Superzooms" generally refers to lenses that have about 10x zoom range or more. The closest approximation to the 45-200 is the Canon 55-250 IS. From the tests and MTF curves I've seen, it's if anything better than the Lumix. And it's only 80-85% of the price. Here we see Canon's production volume advantage. Still, as a said, the 45-200 has a reasonable price/performance ratio.
If you want to put it up against Canon's 100-400/4-5.6/IS-L at $1200, you see comparable IQ capability at 1/4 of the price!
I can't agree at all here. Canon had QC problems early on with this lens, but a good copy is clearly sharper at tele than the 45-200. It is also twice the actual focal length and gathers four times as much light as the Lumix. Coupled with an 1.6x body it is the equivalent to 640mm in 35FF. Put it on a 7D and crop to 4/3" and 12Mp and it is 800mm equivalent.

So quite another class of lens altogether. And more like $1600 isn't it?
. . . Maybe they learned what not to do to get market share with the LC-1.
I don't think they expected much market share. They wanted mind share, to show that they could do a high quality camera together with Leica.
 
. . . That's right and the 45-200 at $300 is a tremendous value compared to the $700 range of Canon and Nikon's super zooms that don't have the same level of IQ.
Not sure what lenses you have in mind. "Superzooms" generally refers to lenses that have about 10x zoom range or more. The closest approximation to the 45-200 is the Canon 55-250 IS. From the tests and MTF curves I've seen, it's if anything better than the Lumix. And it's only 80-85% of the price. Here we see Canon's production volume advantage. Still, as a said, the 45-200 has a reasonable price/performance ratio.
. . . I was thinking of the 18-200 super zooms that Nikon and Canon sell for about $700. Maybe not a good comparison with the 45-200 for equivalent field of view on the short end but they're more than twice as expensive as the 45-200 and can't match its IQ. The 100-400L that Canon sells is a good example of the same field of view on mFT vs FF when comparing it with the 45-200. It's a better lens but maybe not 5 times as good when you look at the price difference.The EFS 55-250 is an APS-C only lens that compares very well for price and IQ anything in its class and then some as you said.
If you want to put it up against Canon's 100-400/4-5.6/IS-L at $1200, you see comparable IQ capability at 1/4 of the price!
I can't agree at all here. Canon had QC problems early on with this lens, but a good copy is clearly sharper at tele than the 45-200. It is also twice the actual focal length and gathers four times as much light as the Lumix. Coupled with an 1.6x body it is the equivalent to 640mm in 35FF. Put it on a 7D and crop to 4/3" and 12Mp and it is 800mm equivalent.
. . . I forgot that Canon raised the price on the 100-400L from about $1300 a year ago to $1600. That makes it more than 5 times the cost of a 45-200 Pany at about the same equivalent field of view when comparing mFt with FF which is what the 100-400L was originally designed for in 1998. Of course it works just fine on APS-C cameras and you've made a good point.
 

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