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Okay Folks,

All this interest in Photokina implies that I'm not the only one on this board who has an upgrade in mind.

I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences' signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!

My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30 image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the 'right' camera to come along.

I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a couple of years if necessary.

I'm hoping that Oly comes out with something tempting! If it does, I can wait for the price to drop some, I think.

Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU thinking? Care to share?

Beth

--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth
The E10 is my upgrade stragegy for now. I bought mine in April with the thought that over the next 18 mo. or so much more would shake out ( the D60 and D100 were not shipping yet, and I decided to wait this release out).

My question is if to buy a second E10 to back up and compliment the one I have now, or lay in more film to use in my film cameras as back up !

What you would gain form a D30 is a little smoother image and interchangeable lenses, that's about it. You may have worst autofocus performance and since it would be used, it might die on you before your E10s shutter, who knows ? I personally would pass on the used D30 idea, especially where i already passed on the D60.

David
--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
Hi Beth,

IMO the D30 is so superior to the E-10 I wouldn't hesitate to get one (even used, if it is in good condition). Now, don't get me wrong I like the E-10 but having used both cameras daily for more than 12 months I can say that the D30 does just about everything better.

Of course, if you have to buy into the 'system' then this would require more thought and some considerable financial investment. In my case I had over 15 years worth of Canon film gear, so all I had to do was buy the body (I later got a wider lens to compensate for the 1.6 crop factor).

The real benefit of the D30 is not so much the image quality but the overall use of the camera. Again IMO the D30 ergonomics are better, the menu system is better, ISO800 is usable and the issue of dust on the sensor is just an overblown issue.

So bottom line, do not go into the Canon 'system' unless you intend to keep it. If you are still hanging out for the Olydak continue to do so, at least until it is clear what Oly are doing. But if the Olydak turns out to be just more talk with no confirmed date of availability, you must decide to go with one of the established systems or wait for as long as it takes.

All I can say is that I do not regret for one minute buying the E-10 but the D30 just gives me so much more pleasure.
At the end of the day the choice is yours, good luck :-))

--
John W
 
Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth
The E10 is my upgrade stragegy for now. I bought mine in April with
the thought that over the next 18 mo. or so much more would shake
out ( the D60 and D100 were not shipping yet, and I decided to wait
this release out).
Hello all,

Since you already have the E10 (an excellent camera), buying another one would not bring the best return on your investment.

How about think of a camera that compliments the E10, such as a smaller camera with long zoom for travel use, or a camera good for macro shot? Or even, buy a good warm circular polarizar for landscape or a warm soften filter for portrait and save the money in the coming 18 months for the next big thing.

It is not so much about what camera we have but rather how much fun we have by pushing toward the limit of the camera.

Just a thought.

William
My question is if to buy a second E10 to back up and compliment the
one I have now, or lay in more film to use in my film cameras as
back up !

What you would gain form a D30 is a little smoother image and
interchangeable lenses, that's about it. You may have worst
autofocus performance and since it would be used, it might die on
you before your E10s shutter, who knows ? I personally would pass
on the used D30 idea, especially where i already passed on the D60.

David
--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
I happen to own the e-10 and have a decent amount of canon gear.... I have been giving serious consideration to the d60... and while I am not 100% sure, I have decided to wait....

I have had the benefit of having a day of using the d60 and the nikon d100... was impressed but not really much more impressed then with the photos off my e-10, each had its own problems.

My major concern had been low-light, since I have to shoot in churches without flash.... and the e-10 has trouble with this, at least with moving people....

the benefits(over the e-10) to me would have been speed, increased iso range and interchangeable lenses.

However the 4 vs 6 mp isnt as great as some and the lens on the e-10 is excellent. I decided to wait and see what this next month will bring and then make up my mind whether to continue with film backup or to move up to a d60 or one of the new cameras to be released.

I would like to make the change 100% to digital, but not at the loss of critical shots...
 
Beth if it was only a D30 for a $1000 that would be nice, but you are going to have the cost of lenses on top of that. I am not saying you have to buy the most expensive lens, but I would think you would want something that will give you the best result for you money. When you start buying interchangeable lenses you are investing in a system, so I do not see it as a stop gap. Unless you are planning on buying just one lens like the 28-135 IS, I do not think this is a smart move or an effective stradegy. I have one lens, the 70-200L 2.8 IS that cost me $1700 by itself. I think you would be better off just shooting the E-10 and waiting to see what the fall out is after show and the announcements later this month. After all you have waited this long so what is the difference is you have to wait a few months longer.

Jason
Okay Folks,
All this interest in Photokina implies that I'm not the only one on
this board who has an upgrade in mind.

I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E
again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences'
signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!

My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but
I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30
image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that
marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to
me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the
'right' camera to come along.

I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it
that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a
couple of years if necessary.

I'm hoping that Oly comes out with something tempting! If it does,
I can wait for the price to drop some, I think.

Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth

--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]

We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their new products!
 
I think that if you can hang out long enough to see what Oly rolls out, or better yet, what comes down the Pike with a Foveon in it you might be making the most prudent choice. If the Foveon outperforms other sensors, and the camera built around it is as good, then the only questions in terms of waiting would be cost or if you have a preference for a particular company based on lenses and externals like service, etc.

At this point it seems the single most revolutionary factor could be the sensor. If the sensor has been improved by Foveon, I plan to stick with my E-10 until someone plops a decent camera down that benefits from that improvement and represents value equivalent or better than my E-10 when it came out.

If the E-10 serves well enough in the interim one can only benefit from waiting, it's very rare that technology moves backward.
 
A former Belgian prime minister said: "il ne faut pas resoudre les problemes avant qu'ils ne se posent" (do not solve the problems before they appear).

So my mind is frozen till the photokina this month (just a few days to wait). All data could be changed: we all wait the precisions about the Olydak, of course, but all other manufacturers still exist and could bring surprises too.
 
Hello all,

Since you already have the E10 (an excellent camera), buying
another one would not bring the best return on your investment.

How about think of a camera that compliments the E10, such as a
smaller camera with long zoom for travel use, or a camera good for
macro shot? Or even, buy a good warm circular polarizar for
landscape or a warm soften filter for portrait and save the money
in the coming 18 months for the next big thing.
I've pretty much given up on filters and do my portrait softening in PS, I generally shoot warm if I want a warm image anyway, then tweak in PS as well.

Macro is kind of out, we do some close up florals but the E10 covers that pretty well. If i bought into another camera ( style or brand), I might go for slight wide angle or added telle. The Minolta 7i for instance covers both, but just as with the E cameras, a 7Hi is due out perhaps announced at Photokina. Beyond something like this I would move to a full DSLR with large sensor for sure.

My thought was to maybe backup the E10 with another e10 for a few reasons:

We could shoot candids with the second camera fitted with a 14B
leaving the first one free for posed and other shots.

We need to back the camera up anyway, as it is now our backup is film, be that 35mm. or medium format and so we end up shooting two formats at an event. If we backup with another e10, at presentation time , the mages will match well from both cameras, and in the case of proofing, the lab will balance all images the same from the original files. I considered the Fuji 602 when it first hit the shelves, but after shooting and printing from it, I decided it wasn't a match. I considered the E20 for larger enlargement capability ,but there isn't enough gain in any way over the e10 that I can see for the added dough.

To own two of one kind of item means that accessories for that item will interchange.If to buy a complimentary camera of another brand means to buy into that brands accessories.

In it's price range you will never beat the E10 in terms of image quality, color balance and dynamic range in particular. All other prosumer cameras in this price range or lower and even some at a higher price point don't do as well.
It is not so much about what camera we have but rather how much fun
we have by pushing toward the limit of the camera.
I don't push the camera too hard, but it has tought me some things I didn't know or actually had forgotten about my shooting style, which medium format had been masking. Over time you lose sight of what you aim to do and kind of fall into a pattern of the same old images. This camera is my best friend right now, it's brought back image making with some zest and a desire to create more inovative images, and I can test ideas at no cost to me with a basically professional rig. I hate to lose the pro profile with some tinker toy camera, even though the image quality may be good from it. The E10 states loudly that it means business then follows through with the results, can't beat that !!!
Just a thought.
Thanks for your thought William,
David Grabowski
 
Hi Jason,

Yes, my thoughts exactly. I don't think I want to commit to a manufacturer quite yet.

Beth
Jason
Okay Folks,
All this interest in Photokina implies that I'm not the only one on
this board who has an upgrade in mind.

I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E
again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences'
signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!

My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but
I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30
image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that
marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to
me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the
'right' camera to come along.

I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it
that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a
couple of years if necessary.

I'm hoping that Oly comes out with something tempting! If it does,
I can wait for the price to drop some, I think.

Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth

--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!
--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
Beth

I know I'll risk being hounded by Terry Thorn for even discussing this issue...but here goes:

1. Why are you thinking of an upgrade - this is a very, very important factor in the decision making process. There is no point to upgrading unless you have a real complaint about the E10. It's a great camera in many ways so you need to be sure you will really value the improvements, otherwise it's a lot of money...

For me the issues were:

i) I didn't like the cost or the ergonomics of the add on converters and I wanted a wider lens than the standard zoom

ii) I prefer the shape of traditional SLRs that have a left side to the body

iii) Power management with the E10 is quite a hassle - I kept running out of juice at awkward times despite loads of effort to manage batteries etc. The lipo is the obvious solution but in Europe it cost almost as much as the camera and is big and bulky. I've only re-charged the D100 battery once since I've had it and it has shown full charge for a month now. I'm beginning to think it will last forever...

iv) Image quality. I was getting the best quality prints I'd ever made from my E10/Epson printer combo and at first I was ecstatic. Then I started to get picky when I saw that the samples from 6Mp cameras were sharper, more detailed and lower noise...

v) I like to stitch multiple images to go for those super sharp landscapes and it works so much better when you have a high res format to start with (e.g. 4* E10 frames will yield about an 11 MP image whilst 4 * D100 frames will give you about 20MPs (medium format, take that!).

2. Used D30's can be found at good prices and look tempting... but the image quality, whilst silky and low noise, doesn't have better resolution than the E10 so you would probably end up hankering after a D60 or Dxx later anyway. Might be best to hang on a bit and hope for further reductions in price on the newer cams.

3. For what it's worth, I do find the D100 to be quite an improvement over the already very good E10 in most areas (as would the D60 and S2pro be too) and a worthy upgrade. I'm delighted with it so far and would definitely feel deprived if i had to give it up.

I've had mine a couple of months now and I can't actually think of anything significant about it that is worse than the E10 (the build is more utilitarian and mid quality rather than luxury like the E10 but it's perfectly solid and you soon forget the differences; there is no LCD preview or time lapse facility but I haven't missed out because of that so far).

It's basically exactly like a 35mm film SLR but digital. If you choose to upgrade you will get the benefits of much faster power on times, menu operation, playback times (essentially instant) as well as unbelievable battery life from a battery little bigger than 2 AA cells that recharges in 1 hour.

However, it will cost you to buy into these systems and even if you are determined to upgrade at some point, you need to sure you go to a system you can live with, as it will cost a lot more to dump a whole system and change brands at a later date.

4. One to thing to bear in mind about Photokina is that even if Oly announce a new compact interchangeable lens SLR you may have to wait an unspecified time before you can actually buy one. Think Sigma SD9 - where are they!

5. Are you really, really sure you want to upgrade? You done some excellent work with the E10 and you know how to work around the foibles and little flaws.

You don't have to keep up with Jono "A new camera a day helps you work, rest and play" Slack - just kidding, Jono! :-)
Okay Folks,
All this interest in Photokina implies that I'm not the only one on
this board who has an upgrade in mind.

I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E
again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences'
signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!

My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but
I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30
image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that
marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to
me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the
'right' camera to come along.

I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it
that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a
couple of years if necessary.

I'm hoping that Oly comes out with something tempting! If it does,
I can wait for the price to drop some, I think.

Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth

--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
I have never been into film and I often wonder if they were infected with upgraditis like Ive witnessed in 25 years of computer engineering, and now almost 14 years of digital photography (Canon Zapshot was my 1st digi). I tend to believe that this case of upgraditis is of a digital nature. Technology is so overwhelming that many are uneasy with almost any purchase they make because the grass is always greener on the other side of the digital fence. Then you get there only to find that the next digital device has it's share of digital drawbacks as well. Since every digital product ever marketed was rushed to market with a known quantity of flaws they are gambling wont come back to bite them and my personal experience is every device Ive ever had was uniquely quirky.

Digital Quality and Versatility in any medium comes down to one thing; how much bucks you got? But guaranteed it will have a known quantity of flaws as well. I was so disappointed in my e10 until I learned it and then since I'm a fault tolerant computer engineer, I went and got an e20 (mission critical equipment!). Beware of upgraditis unless you have a deep wallet.

vlad
 
still a novice I cant really participate in the diskussion
but I think it true getting the D30 is wanting the D60
sins one has to invest a lot in linses.
Think the digital revolution is jet to come, sims to me that the current
systems are bild on old thinking. I don't now who is going break the
barrier, but I am sure it will happened at some time.
Personally I am happy whit my new E10, I just w.. it was a lot smaller
I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E
again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences'
signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!
wondering how many shouts before shutter goes ?

jaus

--
http://www.pbase.com/jaus
 
My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but
I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30
image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that
marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to
me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the
'right' camera to come along.
I should probably keep my nose out of this since I do have a D60 (don't forget folks--I still have my E10 also), but I don't feel that buying the D30 as stopgap is that good an idea. First of all, you won't improve your resolution. And--unless you plan to stick with Canon, then buying into the 'system' can be a lot more expensive than buying the body. The D30 is a terrific camera, don't get me wrong, but as a 'stopgap'--no--because of the expense of lens. If you think you would stick with the Canon system, then its not a bad way to go--eventually you will have more in your lenses than body and this way you get the body at a really good price--which can carry you a long way. You get a terrific camera and you start your lens collection--and I think it will be a good long while until the D60 comes down in price. The D30 hung around a good long while until the D60--and still many on the Canon SLR forum are buying it instead of the D60 because of price--and the 30 resolution works for them. I'd just sit tight and see what happens 9/24--and then make a decision. I think everyone is hoping that Oly will come through.

Last Spring I decided NOT to wait until this Fall and did buy into the 'system', but I didn't consider it a stopgap. I'm most likely a Canon shooter from now on with the E10 as my backup (for now).
I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it
that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a
couple of years if necessary.
smile ---I wouldn't bet on waiting 'a couple of years' LOL.
--
Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
 
Hi Beth,

Although I rarely add to the forum I have been a lurker and an E-10 user for 18 months and recently upgraded so I thought I would share my experience. First let me say that I loved the E-10 and am still 100% convinced that for the money it is the hands down winner out there, but I was starting to run into it's limitations far too often. The thing is I like to photograph sports and auto racing so we all know what limitations I'm speaking of, not to say I didn't get fabulouse shots of what I did take, it was more missing what I couldn't take while the camera cleared the buffer. I was going to go with either the D100 or D60 but the lack of availability became intolerable so I took the big plunge and got a D1x and a Nikor 80-200 ED. I couldn't be happier (or poorer), but this camera is just always ready to shoot and the AF is blistering fast and 99.9% accurate!. All I can say is if you go with an interchangeable lens DSLR system is do not under any circumstances try to save money in the lens department, I think we all know that the glass in front of the CCD plays a vital role in image quality and that was one of the reasons I chose the E-10 in the first place. I would recomend the D1x in a second if you need it's capabilities but I would wait until the next generation comes out as I am sure there will be a price drop.

--
Dave
 
I just wanted to say that you provided both sides with equal thought and it is an excellent answer and well thought out... thanks for sharing your insites.....
I know I'll risk being hounded by Terry Thorn for even discussing
this issue...but here goes:

1. Why are you thinking of an upgrade - this is a very, very
important factor in the decision making process. There is no point
to upgrading unless you have a real complaint about the E10. It's a
great camera in many ways so you need to be sure you will really
value the improvements, otherwise it's a lot of money...

For me the issues were:

i) I didn't like the cost or the ergonomics of the add on
converters and I wanted a wider lens than the standard zoom

ii) I prefer the shape of traditional SLRs that have a left side to
the body

iii) Power management with the E10 is quite a hassle - I kept
running out of juice at awkward times despite loads of effort to
manage batteries etc. The lipo is the obvious solution but in
Europe it cost almost as much as the camera and is big and bulky.
I've only re-charged the D100 battery once since I've had it and it
has shown full charge for a month now. I'm beginning to think it
will last forever...

iv) Image quality. I was getting the best quality prints I'd ever
made from my E10/Epson printer combo and at first I was ecstatic.
Then I started to get picky when I saw that the samples from 6Mp
cameras were sharper, more detailed and lower noise...

v) I like to stitch multiple images to go for those super sharp
landscapes and it works so much better when you have a high res
format to start with (e.g. 4* E10 frames will yield about an 11 MP
image whilst 4 * D100 frames will give you about 20MPs (medium
format, take that!).

2. Used D30's can be found at good prices and look tempting... but
the image quality, whilst silky and low noise, doesn't have better
resolution than the E10 so you would probably end up hankering
after a D60 or Dxx later anyway. Might be best to hang on a bit and
hope for further reductions in price on the newer cams.

3. For what it's worth, I do find the D100 to be quite an
improvement over the already very good E10 in most areas (as would
the D60 and S2pro be too) and a worthy upgrade. I'm delighted with
it so far and would definitely feel deprived if i had to give it up.

I've had mine a couple of months now and I can't actually think of
anything significant about it that is worse than the E10 (the build
is more utilitarian and mid quality rather than luxury like the E10
but it's perfectly solid and you soon forget the differences; there
is no LCD preview or time lapse facility but I haven't missed out
because of that so far).

It's basically exactly like a 35mm film SLR but digital. If you
choose to upgrade you will get the benefits of much faster power on
times, menu operation, playback times (essentially instant) as well
as unbelievable battery life from a battery little bigger than 2 AA
cells that recharges in 1 hour.

However, it will cost you to buy into these systems and even if you
are determined to upgrade at some point, you need to sure you go to
a system you can live with, as it will cost a lot more to dump a
whole system and change brands at a later date.

4. One to thing to bear in mind about Photokina is that even if Oly
announce a new compact interchangeable lens SLR you may have to
wait an unspecified time before you can actually buy one. Think
Sigma SD9 - where are they!

5. Are you really, really sure you want to upgrade? You done some
excellent work with the E10 and you know how to work around the
foibles and little flaws.

You don't have to keep up with Jono "A new camera a day helps you
work, rest and play" Slack - just kidding, Jono! :-)
Okay Folks,
All this interest in Photokina implies that I'm not the only one on
this board who has an upgrade in mind.

I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E
again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences'
signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!

My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but
I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30
image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that
marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to
me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the
'right' camera to come along.

I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it
that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a
couple of years if necessary.

I'm hoping that Oly comes out with something tempting! If it does,
I can wait for the price to drop some, I think.

Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth

--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
I have never been into film and I often wonder if they were
infected with upgraditis like Ive witnessed in 25 years of computer
engineering, and now almost 14 years of digital photography (Canon
Zapshot was my 1st digi). I tend to believe that this case of
upgraditis is of a digital nature. Technology is so overwhelming
that many are uneasy with almost any purchase they make because the
grass is always greener on the other side of the digital fence.
Then you get there only to find that the next digital device has
it's share of digital drawbacks as well. Since every digital
product ever marketed was rushed to market with a known quantity of
flaws they are gambling wont come back to bite them and my personal
experience is every device Ive ever had was uniquely quirky.

Digital Quality and Versatility in any medium comes down to one
thing; how much bucks you got? But guaranteed it will have a known
quantity of flaws as well. I was so disappointed in my e10 until I
learned it and then since I'm a fault tolerant computer engineer, I
went and got an e20 (mission critical equipment!). Beware of
upgraditis unless you have a deep wallet.

vlad
The e-10 has an incredible amount of bang for the buck. I bought a second body about 3mo's ago
and decieded to put up with & work around the small buffer ect..

I wont upgrade until I can get at least a 30% increase over the e-10
I have a ton of nikon equiptment
& 3yrs ago you couldn't pry my hands away from my nikons ,
then oly comes around with an inovative camera.

the e30? I wait with great anticipation.
 
...which no DSLR has:

1) Live preview LCD - I don't use it much but when I do, mainly as a waist level viewfinder, it's such a great feature.

2) Almost silent operation. After using 35mm SLRs for 20 years the quiteness of the E10 has really impressed me.

The Exx manages to have these features whilst still being a DSLR in all other respects (particularly proper optical viewfinder).

If I 'upgraded' to a D-something I would really miss these two features. The whole moving mirror concept just isn't really needed anymore for digital SLRs and I hope that the OlyDak manages to make do without this 35mm anachronism aswell.

For the time being I'm very, very happy with my E-10 and am not planning an upgrade any time soon.

Michael.
Okay Folks,
All this interest in Photokina implies that I'm not the only one on
this board who has an upgrade in mind.

I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E
again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences'
signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!

My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but
I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30
image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that
marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to
me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the
'right' camera to come along.

I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it
that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a
couple of years if necessary.

I'm hoping that Oly comes out with something tempting! If it does,
I can wait for the price to drop some, I think.

Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth

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Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
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http://www.amarelo.jazznet.pt/photos/
 
The moving mirror thing isn't just a 35mm thing - it's also used on the Pentax 6*7. And the semi silvered fixed reflector isn't an E10 innovation - canon have used it too on 35mm bodies. It has advantages and disadvantages like any other system.
1) Live preview LCD - I don't use it much but when I do, mainly as
a waist level viewfinder, it's such a great feature.

2) Almost silent operation. After using 35mm SLRs for 20 years the
quiteness of the E10 has really impressed me.

The Exx manages to have these features whilst still being a DSLR in
all other respects (particularly proper optical viewfinder).

If I 'upgraded' to a D-something I would really miss these two
features. The whole moving mirror concept just isn't really needed
anymore for digital SLRs and I hope that the OlyDak manages to make
do without this 35mm anachronism aswell.

For the time being I'm very, very happy with my E-10 and am not
planning an upgrade any time soon.

Michael.
Okay Folks,
All this interest in Photokina implies that I'm not the only one on
this board who has an upgrade in mind.

I'm in no rush--I don't think. Unless the shutter goes on the E
again, I think I can wait 'til the 'Angel of No-Coiincidences'
signals me that it's time..the right camera has come along!

My brother thinks I should buy into a used D30 as a stop-gap, but
I'm not sure that's such a great idea. The smoothness of the D30
image is tempting, but spending $1000 (or more) on a camera that
marginally improves what I can do with the E makes little sense to
me. He's thinking a D30 will make it easier for me to wait for the
'right' camera to come along.

I'm hoping to hold onto the E and get the kind of service out of it
that will make it possible for me to wait several months to a
couple of years if necessary.

I'm hoping that Oly comes out with something tempting! If it does,
I can wait for the price to drop some, I think.

Anyone else thinking long and hard about upgrades too? What are YOU
thinking? Care to share?

Beth

--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
--
http://www.amarelo.jazznet.pt/photos/
 
Upgraditis is a big problem in the digital world.

After 13 years I just replaced my TV. After 6 months I want to replace my computer. I guess that's the way it is in the digital world. Of course, digital technology changes so fast, much faster than analog. There are already computers twice as fast as my 6 month old one while my old TV still has a better picture than any non-HDTV I've seen.

The computer industry has really been fueling upgraditis. They even try to force your hand by dropping old standards after a year or two, forcing you to stay on the upgrade cycle forever.

I hope to break the cycle as far as my cameras go.

I will be keeping my E-10 for a long time to come.
I have never been into film and I often wonder if they were
infected with upgraditis like Ive witnessed in 25 years of computer
engineering, and now almost 14 years of digital photography (Canon
Zapshot was my 1st digi). I tend to believe that this case of
upgraditis is of a digital nature. Technology is so overwhelming
that many are uneasy with almost any purchase they make because the
grass is always greener on the other side of the digital fence.
Then you get there only to find that the next digital device has
it's share of digital drawbacks as well. Since every digital
product ever marketed was rushed to market with a known quantity of
flaws they are gambling wont come back to bite them and my personal
experience is every device Ive ever had was uniquely quirky.

Digital Quality and Versatility in any medium comes down to one
thing; how much bucks you got? But guaranteed it will have a known
quantity of flaws as well. I was so disappointed in my e10 until I
learned it and then since I'm a fault tolerant computer engineer, I
went and got an e20 (mission critical equipment!). Beware of
upgraditis unless you have a deep wallet.

vlad
 

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