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7D vs 5D2 noise
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Vibrio
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going by the top pic, they look pretty awful
The 50D was $1300 body only so a $400 difference.
And throwing $500 more into the 5D2 probably won't cut it. The 7D autofocus really won't be "good" enough for full frame since the 7D focus coverage age is the exact same as the 50D area which will be the same coverage are of the 5D and 5D2.
A 3D would need a portion of the 1-series AF to be wide enough for full frame. You're likely looking at at $1000 premium for the 3D over the 5D2 so about $3700 to $4000. It can't be so cheap that it makes the 1Ds line irrelevant. Remember teh EOS-3 was half the price of the EOS-1v, not 35% to 40% of its price.
Then FF is not for you since you want telephoto distance and not wide angle or shallower DOF. Get off your soap box and go sit in the back row.
12 or 13MP is excellent for 13x19 prints. You don't need 18MP for that.
You might be waiting another 4 to 5 years for that to happen. And by that time FF will advance the same amount. But from what I've seen, the 7D is near d3 iso6400 noise levels when downsized to d3 image size. d3 has smoother shadows but the 7D exhibits no colored noise and has great detail. The 7D is the d3 and d300 killer in one, 1 to 2 years before either of their replacements!
mfurman
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50D was introduced at $1399 and the price dropped quickly to $1200. 7D is only $200 more expensive.
I understand that adding $500 is just a very simplified estimate but I do not think that $1000 difference is right. Of course, Canon can set whatever price they want.
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I understand that adding $500 is just a very simplified estimate but I do not think that $1000 difference is right. Of course, Canon can set whatever price they want.
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12mp might be good for 13x19 prints but I think 18mp will produce an even better prints which is sharper. It's visible to the naked eye when I printed a 10x20 group photo of 200 people, the 21mp from 5D2 clearly shows each person face while the 12mp alternatives produce lesser details prints, the file were cropped only the top & lower part to make it 10x20.
When technologies advances few years from now maybe 21mp or even 30mp will be the lowest acceptable resolution by then, who knows. I remember my old super vga monitor which has 800x600 was good when it replace the even older vga monitor but now a full HD capable monitor is even better.
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When technologies advances few years from now maybe 21mp or even 30mp will be the lowest acceptable resolution by then, who knows. I remember my old super vga monitor which has 800x600 was good when it replace the even older vga monitor but now a full HD capable monitor is even better.
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7D High pixel density looses detail to softness as usual.
7D Color is lost as also appears whenever higher ISO is pushed in any review.
To me the 7D inappropriately pirates its identifier from full frame.
This camera will probably be just be a step of marginal progress along the path.
if you already have a decent camera it won't be necessary.
On to the next trophy.
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Torch
7D Color is lost as also appears whenever higher ISO is pushed in any review.
To me the 7D inappropriately pirates its identifier from full frame.
This camera will probably be just be a step of marginal progress along the path.
if you already have a decent camera it won't be necessary.
On to the next trophy.
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GeorgeML
Leading Member
Here's how Canon themselves see their own lineup. The 5D and the 7D are on the same level - according to Canon, that is (I know that some of their customers do not feel this way).
For you maybe. Not for me. I'll never buy another crop camera until Canon comes out with a better really-wide angle lens. I believe their 10-22 is the widest and it's a terrible lens despite the many raves I've seen. I use my 500D when I don't want to take the 5D2 with me. But I am not going to WAST my money on the 7D.
I'm sorry to see, that clearly you are just running your mouth and have done no comparison at all yourself. I did of course resize the files to same size in photoshop (using bicubic resize for the 50D files) and the 50D is noticeable more noisy. The difference is not horrible at ISO 800-1600, but it clearly is there to 40D's advantage at ISO 800, more clearly at 1600 and evidently so at ISO 3200. You can easily see the difference in noise performance at ISO 3200 even if you further resize the files to 50% of the size! I used ACR for opening the files.
Even if your 50D is more noisy than 40D, it doesn't make it a bad camera. But you should be able to accept the facts about the noise characteristics.
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Keith Reeder
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n/t
Keith Reeder
Veteran Member
It's kind of a given that crop cameras aren't as wide as FF bodies, so if wide is your must-have thing, well of course the 7D won't be the obvious first choice.
But the 7D will more stuff well than (say) a 5D Mk II could hope to do, so unless a photographer is absolutely bound up in the need for the widest-possible FOV, I see no purpose to the FF body, TBH - the 7D will push it or exceed it in any use except wiiiiiide.
And that includes high ISO and IQ.
But the 7D will more stuff well than (say) a 5D Mk II could hope to do, so unless a photographer is absolutely bound up in the need for the widest-possible FOV, I see no purpose to the FF body, TBH - the 7D will push it or exceed it in any use except wiiiiiide.
And that includes high ISO and IQ.
Keith Reeder
Veteran Member
Your biases and prejudices are showing...
1Dmk4?
rwbaron
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WOW!For you maybe. Not for me. I'll never buy another crop camera until Canon comes out with a better really-wide angle lens. I believe their 10-22 is the widest and it's a terrible lens despite the many raves I've seen. I use my 500D when I don't want to take the 5D2 with me. But I am not going to WAST my money on the 7D.
What Canon ultra-wide zoom significantly outperforms the EFS10~22 at equivalent FOV? I have the 16~35mk1 and the EFS10~22 and would rather shoot the EFS on crop than the 16~35 on FF. Sure the mk2 version is a bit better wide open below 24mm but not much difference at f8 and it's actually worse at the long end. If you want the best ultra-wide zoom then shoot Nikon. Their 14~24 is magical (like Canon's 70~200f4LIS) but the EFS 10~22 is even better than Nikon's DX offerings and it's less $$.
Bob
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rwbaron
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Do you actually own both cameras? Have you missed the dozens of threads by forum members (like me) who actually do own both and did comparisons ad nauseam? Did you miss the DXOMark sensor score that rates them virtually identical? There is no meaningful difference at the pixel level and the 50D is slightly better at the image level.
Bob
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He has lost all the credibility by the his comment on 10-22. I haven't been shooting my 10-22 that much recently but I took it out a couple weeks ago on an outing. It's just an incredible lens. I still haven't seen many lens that can create that rich contrasty color out of camera.
WOW!For you maybe. Not for me. I'll never buy another crop camera until Canon comes out with a better really-wide angle lens. I believe their 10-22 is the widest and it's a terrible lens despite the many raves I've seen. I use my 500D when I don't want to take the 5D2 with me. But I am not going to WAST my money on the 7D.
What Canon ultra-wide zoom significantly outperforms the EFS10~22 at equivalent FOV? I have the 16~35mk1 and the EFS10~22 and would rather shoot the EFS on crop than the 16~35 on FF. Sure the mk2 version is a bit better wide open below 24mm but not much difference at f8 and it's actually worse at the long end. If you want the best ultra-wide zoom then shoot Nikon. Their 14~24 is magical (like Canon's 70~200f4LIS) but the EFS 10~22 is even better than Nikon's DX offerings and it's less $$.
Bob
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Yaamon
Senior Member
Can you do some more test please if you don't mind without any noise reduction on, shooting indoors with normal lighting so the noise can be easily shown.
Thanks for the original images, but with the textures of Winnie the Poo beer it mask some of the high iso noise.
I currently also have the 5D II and a 50D, and if the noise of the 7D as shown is close to the 5D II, I will sell my 50D for a 7D.
So far looks good.
Thanks
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Thanks for the original images, but with the textures of Winnie the Poo beer it mask some of the high iso noise.
I currently also have the 5D II and a 50D, and if the noise of the 7D as shown is close to the 5D II, I will sell my 50D for a 7D.
So far looks good.
Thanks
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Canon 5D II, 50D, & XSI, Fuji 31fd
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