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Olympus bashing. Why?

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I agree with Charles that a shot taken with base ISO + flash is often more desirable than high ISO without flash:

http://www.fotop.net/Tenken/200908SukiNg/P8214934?full=1

I think flash technique is way more important than just solely use high ISO with FF cameras. The FT bashers are the people who only advocates using high ISO, stop down aperture or two to get equivalent with FT. But they fail to realize that we only want to shoot at near base ISO to get maximum IQ.
 
Olympus exists.

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'Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.' - Anon
 
Why is it that the more successful Olympus / 4 3rds has become, and it is more successful than ever before, the more trolls come out?
 
at US$1999 for Sony A850 what will prevent you from jumping to FF? ah so you think i'm bashing olympus? i'm not, i like it with my e3 and e500. just that FF prices are slowly going where olympus prices are now.
 
Micro-marketing can explain forum pollution. But micro-marketing makes sense - put aside ethical worries for a minute - when either used to advertise a new product, or to bash a competitor product which represents a threat.

Today the only Olympus product that's got competitors worried, is the E-P1. But even so, now that there is Panasonic's GF1, with better performance, I'm not sure the E-P1 is so scary anymore.

So like you, I really wonder.
 
manny_d said:
at US$1999 for Sony A850 what will prevent you from jumping to FF? ah so you think i'm bashing olympus? i'm not, i like it with my e3 and e500. just that FF prices are slowly going where olympus prices are now.
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That's easy, size, weight and glass. It's all well and good producing a cheaper FF camera but you still need decent glass to take advantage of it. For me that would mean spending a significant amount on lenses to compete with what I have now - and running two systems. That's just not an option for me and a lot of people.

Olympus is also a brand I trust, Sony isn't. I see the A850 as something of a loss leader to lure people into the system, no thanks, I've made my choice and I'm happy with it.
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Tony
667....Neighbour of the beast....Form is temporary, glass is permanent.
 
This forum became somewhat polarised between people who wanted to understand how Oly cameras actually perform in the current camera landscape verses those who believe that if you own an Oly all words must reveal only the strengths of the camera and deny the weaknesses.

When a number of experienced photographers first experienced AF problems with the E3, the Oly fantasist group jumped on them insisting that there was no problem, or that the problem was due to lack of knowledge, or due to trolling.

This is only one such example.

So, anytime something comes up (DoF, lenses, noise, AF, size) the two camps tend to square up and beat the $hit out of each other.

In the interest of full disclosure, I stand firmly on the realist side of things.
 
papillon_65 said:
That's easy, size, weight and glass. It's all well and good producing a cheaper FF camera but you still need decent glass to take advantage of it. For me that would mean spending a significant amount on lenses to compete with what I have now - ..
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Does it mean if one does not spend a significant amount on lenses he/she will not be able to compete with what you got now?

http://www.pbase.com/sngreen
 
Tenken777 said:
Realist can get pretty relative at times. Some people stress the importance of things that others care little about.
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If Olympus works for you (or anyone) I have no need to rain on that parade.

The problem comes when the parade suggest that because they are happy with Oly, all the other cameras are somehow inferior or that Oly has no faults.

If someone says the E3 focusing is fine for them, there is nothing else to say. But when they insist that everyone else should be happy with the E3's focus capabilities, then I have a problem.

I also have a problem when fantasy 4/3rd benefits accrue (eg. deeper DoF) or when Zuiko lenses are given mythical status that cannot be reached by any any means by other manufacturers.

People who suggest that anyone feeling Oly isn't the best camera in all respects should leave are Oly's worst enemy in my opinion.

So if I like Oly lenses, colour, portability but feel their focusing is subpar (for example), I should just leave and buy another system should I? Follow that through and see where that leads.
 
Why? Because there are too many idiots with minority complex or other mental illness who are visiting the Olympus forum and gets a kick out of bashing the brand. Some people say there are too many fanboys but I disagree with that because the fanboys are also on Nikon and Canon forums.

Olympus can be criticized for it's shortcomings and the limitations could be discussed forever but if you can live with those, then you should just ignore the idiots. Most of all, you don't have to seek approval from others, select the gear you like and make your move if you feel motivated.

There is one difference between Nikon and Olympus forums; Nikon is divided into four parts where Nikon DSLRs or lenses are discussed, while Olympus is just one big "family". This means that you may have missed the Nikon jerks unless you have been active where they are active. In the short time I have been posting on Nikon (not any brand bashing or flaming posts) I have come across a few who are best to avoid and ignore, so Nikon is by no means free of those. Never the less, you are right, not many posts are directly bashing any Nikon product, but I could give you a few links anyway where this is indeed the case. I am sure if Oly DSLRs were separated into one consumer one pro part plus there would be an Oly lens forum the number of jerky posts would also be less, or would be less visible.

Anyway, if you feel like jumping ship there are a lot of people here with a lot of knowledge. Don't worry about the idiots, don't let them stop you, just ignore them. Although I don't think you should base your decision on any emo stuff, go feel the camera you want to buy, take a few images and check out if you like it. You can download the full version of Olympus Master for free which could give you a good indication of what you will get, especially if you have some raw files to work on.

Good luck with your decision.
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CharlesB58 said:
However, I'd rather have colors I prefer with narrower DR than a camera with wider DR, but colors I don't like as much.
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...this is an as widely spread hogwash as saying only Olympus makes good lenses.

Never the less, the main thing is that you are happy with what you have.
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faranya said:
... it's people from other forums, popping in to stir things up and sow discord.
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Yes, but then we have the Oly people who like to bash as well, not only Oly gear but even other brand.

Heve you ever heard any of the below?

1. Only Olympus and possibly Leica make good glass.
2. Only Olympus colours are true, especially the E-1.
3. Noise is not an issue.
4. DR and narrow DOF is overrated.
5. Larger sensors? What for? No advantage.
6. Only Kodak sensors produce nice images.
7. Only Olympus makes weather sealed bodies and lenses.
8. Only Olympus makes good quality, robust bodies.
9. Olympus plastic isn't as plasticky as Canikon plastic.
10. Only an Olympus system can be light.
11. Olympus system is cheap and high value for $$$.
12. Oly kit zooms are better than any other brand's.

Should I carry on? Those statements bound to create some attention and deserve some answers. Although I agree, the answers should not end up in any brand bashing, and by any brand, I mean ANY BRAND , no matter who's fingers are typing the words.
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olyflyer said:
CharlesB58 said:
However, I'd rather have colors I prefer with narrower DR than a camera with wider DR, but colors I don't like as much.
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...this is an as widely spread hogwash as saying only Olympus makes good lenses.

Never the less, the main thing is that you are happy with what you have.
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http://www.olyflyer.blogspot.com/
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How on earth can it be hogwash if that is what he prefers? He likes the colours from Oly better than other brands, what's so difficult to understand here? All the brands have different jpeg engines and in camera processing. He prefers Oly's, how can that be wrong?
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Tony
667....Neighbour of the beast....Form is temporary, glass is permanent.
 
A camera is just like any other mechanical device: if it doesn't perform as advertised or according to reasonable expectations, it is bad.

Julie
kieth kiesel said:
There are no bad cameras, just .....
bad photographers.
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papillon_65 said:
olyflyer said:
CharlesB58 said:
However, I'd rather have colors I prefer with narrower DR than a camera with wider DR, but colors I don't like as much.
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...this is an as widely spread hogwash as saying only Olympus makes good lenses.

Never the less, the main thing is that you are happy with what you have.
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http://www.olyflyer.blogspot.com/
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How on earth can it be hogwash if that is what he prefers? He likes the colours from Oly better than other brands, what's so difficult to understand here? All the brands have different jpeg engines and in camera processing. He prefers Oly's, how can that be wrong?
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I think what he meant was that lost DR can not be replaced, whereas colors can be tuned to anything you like. But even if that was necessary, here are few thread where the colors were compared,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1022&thread=28975192
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=32220969

Let's count how many Olympus diehards did actually pick the right image.

http://www.pbase.com/sngreen
 
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