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G11 circled by MFT and APS-C compacts, flaming arrows, G11 out gunned...
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karl boyle
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Well...... personally I don't think that Canon will be too gutted in losing you or anyone else for that matter. Because for every guy like you that they will lose..... there will always be another one or two new customers in which the G11 will attract to counteract your loss. you can include me into that new customer" category for a G11.
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Karl B.
MFunk69
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It could be worse. All we've got in the Nikon camp is some dumb projector camera.
todds
Senior Member
I don't care how good the Leica might be. The Leica with lens will probably cost more than your 5DmkII. Not many of us will be able to afford it. How can you compare a G11 to a camera that expensive? By your reasoning the Corvette marketing people were asleep when they introduced a sports car that wasn't as good as a Lamborghini?
I want some sort of optical viewfinder.
The LCD screens on these cameras are horrible in bright light.
The EVFs are grainy with weird colors.
I am waiting for a camera like the GF1 or EP1 with a built in optical view finder or a G11 with a larger sensor. These would be great cameras.
I also really like cameras with the articulating screen.
I want some sort of optical viewfinder.
The LCD screens on these cameras are horrible in bright light.
The EVFs are grainy with weird colors.
I am waiting for a camera like the GF1 or EP1 with a built in optical view finder or a G11 with a larger sensor. These would be great cameras.
I also really like cameras with the articulating screen.
MarcosV
Veteran Member
... in both image quality and price.
The price of that one lens was well over the price of the 5D body.
The guy had the opinion that Leica glass is for the dedicated. Although the lens is worth a lot (assuming you took good care of your lens and don't issues like fungus, etc.), there are so few people out there willing to shell out that sort of money, you'll never really come close to getting enough money for them if you tried to sell.
A former co-woirker of a good friend of mine is a Leica shooter. Tried some of his glass attached to a 5D Mk I. Wow. Unbelievable how the images looked in camera and comparing the results to the original.
The price of that one lens was well over the price of the 5D body.
The guy had the opinion that Leica glass is for the dedicated. Although the lens is worth a lot (assuming you took good care of your lens and don't issues like fungus, etc.), there are so few people out there willing to shell out that sort of money, you'll never really come close to getting enough money for them if you tried to sell.
PrinceRupert
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todds
Senior Member
I have heard that Leica glass is great. I do not deny it. It is so far out of my price range that it doesn't exist. Thus irrelevant to me and I suspect many/most of the people on this forum.
Chris Strobel
Senior Member
Maybe for you, but for many of us the allure of the small sensor IS the large DOF of the tiny sensor.Need boke, post it in or use your dslr.Also for many of us it has everything to do with printable image size.The smallest prints I sell to my restaurant clientele are 20x24 which has always been the domain of my camera on the right, or my 4x5 not pictured. Now I'm able to get there with the G10 (on the left) and Autopano Pro (except b&w) with a lot less back ache and cost.Fifty cameras?You must be a collector.That sounds like a fun hobby
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hiplnsdrftr
Leading Member
I said about 20. Not 50. In the course of taking photos over the last 25 years I acquired less than 1 camera a year. What's the big deal?Fifty cameras?You must be a collector.That sounds like a fun hobby
I have nothing against infinite DOF photos. If thats your thing then you are lucky, because for less than $500 you can buy a G10, a G11 a P6000 etc.
However I want to take limited DOF photos with a compact camera with a large sensor, as I was accustomed to doing with my Contax T3. So all I'm asking for is a digital version of that camera.
I would like it to be a Canon as I am happy with Canon products and I am so far extremely loyal to Canon.
Recent developements threaten this brand loyalty of mine.
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holding out for a high quality FF compact...
hiplnsdrftr
Leading Member
what?
If I had never taken a photo would I care about purchasing a compact camera with an APS-C (or better yet a FF) sized sensor?
Would I be wetting my pants over this possible Leica release?
Would I be wasting my time replying to the comments of an imbecile?
Likely not.
So, yes, I have pressed a few buttons.
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Chris Strobel
Senior Member
Sorry bout that, still 20 cameras is a lot, but thats cool, have quite a few myself.One can never have too many gadgetsI said about 20. Not 50. In the course of taking photos over the last 25 years I acquired less than 1 camera a year. What's the big deal?Fifty cameras?You must be a collector.That sounds like a fun hobby
Yeah I come from the Westcoast school, you know f64, Weston, Adams, Cunningham, Bernhard, etc.We like everything in focus, and live by the Scheimpflug principle usings tilts, shifts, rise, fall, and swings to get it all in focus, so the large DOF of these little p&s's was welcome to myself.That new Leica coming out does sound interesting --
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morepix
Veteran Member
Here we have a similar reaction, the here's someone who, with his sophomoric "expose" on sensor sizes, has more bluster than background. The best we can say is, he's managed to evoke 50-odd responses, and counting.
http://www.pbase.com/morepix
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I don't know but all this talk of sensor size and which camera is better and blah blah blah... I have seen some nice photos coming from the G line of cameras for some time now. The price is not that high and the build feels just right. Go take some pictures already! I know I will get yelled at for that. :> )
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and also the Sony W300.
I like the G1, using the swivel LCD, the EVF and the interchangeable lens,
great camera.
But my little W300 is my pocket carry along camera, can snap away
in an instant and have got some good shots with it.
It is showing signs of wear on the mode wheel but still takes great pictures.
I am going to get the Canon G11 when the price settles down a bit.
Little bigger than the W300 but all the features are great for the price.
The new Panasonic GF1 is way overpriced and another $260
to add a view finder makes it almost 3 times the Canon G11 cost.
Panasonic G1 45/200 lens
Panasonic G1 with Canon 50mm1.8 using the Panasonic adapter for FD lens
My little Sony W300 does great close up work.
I like the G1, using the swivel LCD, the EVF and the interchangeable lens,
great camera.
But my little W300 is my pocket carry along camera, can snap away
in an instant and have got some good shots with it.
It is showing signs of wear on the mode wheel but still takes great pictures.
I am going to get the Canon G11 when the price settles down a bit.
Little bigger than the W300 but all the features are great for the price.
The new Panasonic GF1 is way overpriced and another $260
to add a view finder makes it almost 3 times the Canon G11 cost.
Panasonic G1 45/200 lens
Panasonic G1 with Canon 50mm1.8 using the Panasonic adapter for FD lens
My little Sony W300 does great close up work.
hiplnsdrftr
Leading Member
I'm including $5 thrift store cameras from 1938 and $10 eBay cameras, even my 1Ds mark II is purchased used so it's not like I have a vault of Leicas sitting around.
But I've used enough cameras and broken and dissected enough cameras to learn a few things about them.
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holding out for a high quality FF compact...
But I've used enough cameras and broken and dissected enough cameras to learn a few things about them.
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holding out for a high quality FF compact...
hiplnsdrftr
Leading Member
Different craftsmen require different tools. The tool I prefer for my craft does not exist but it will soon.
Pardon my elation.
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hiplnsdrftr
Leading Member
You talkin' to me?
I'm not sure, but in regards to sensor sizes....
There is the G11 size, about the same as 99% of all other cameras, it is puny, and the pixel density are more or less in the 20s and 30s, and all of them produce images with infinite DOF except under certain conditions, like MACRO type photos. (For some people's style of shooting this is perfect).
Then there are the other sizes which are huge by comparison. Pixel density in the single digits. Some actual control over DOF. Several new products coming out like this.
So.... I'm kinda thrilled.
4 years from now all compact cameras will have MFTish sized sensors. Because the technology will exist to cheaply produce the sensors, easily correct the optics, noise will be minimal and high ISO photos will be common place. You don't have to believe me, I'm just stating a fact though.
I'm just impatient. I want my big sensor compact (GF1 or X1) now. I don't want to wait for 2013.
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Very good post.
It seems indeed Canon has difficulty to grasp a correct trend in a high end compacts merket. With G10 it has been already teached a lesson by LX3. Now competition is coming from m4/3 side. I believe Canon will be forced to offer better quality in G series or the series will be discontinued.
It seems indeed Canon has difficulty to grasp a correct trend in a high end compacts merket. With G10 it has been already teached a lesson by LX3. Now competition is coming from m4/3 side. I believe Canon will be forced to offer better quality in G series or the series will be discontinued.
B3369
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I have to admit, that i partly agree with what you've written, but I understand where you are coming from. My entire pro system has been NIKON, always been nikon. Since i first started photography as a hobby in high school, its been nikon. NIKON, NIKON, NIKON. Eat, breathe, sleep, woke up, went go bed, nikon. I'm sure the younger me would kick my buttocks today, for even touching a canon!!!
Now, before i go any further, allow me to elaborate, i only use a P&S canon(G-9). My pro system is still NIKON!!! Before that, I used a Nikon D-70 as my "every other occasion" camera, because i didnt want to carry around my D300's. So, carrying around the G-9 makes it even better. My first digital P&S was the G-6, then i got the G-7. Then, bought a Nikon P5100(trying to stay loyal to the brand). Hated it!!! Nikon still has a long way to go in the P&S department. Then, I bought the G-9 when it came out and loved it ever since.
Like yourself, i've seen a lot of new cameras with nice features, but then i remind myself, what more am i going to use it for, that i have to get it?? Allow me to explain, and please dont think i'm telling you what to do. I dont know what you do personally or what you would use the GF-1 for, but you got the new bug. New camera, new features, i want it, gotta have it(we all get it). My question to you is, if and when you get the GF1, what will its purpose be?? Just to be a P&S?? Certainly, it wont compare to the quality of your 1D &5D. And, i'm sure you already have your canon P&S which has been doing a super job. So why would you spend extra money on a P&S, when thats all its going to be? You want great images, pick up the 1D or 5D and save yourself some money.
I was extremely, close in buying a Nikon D-90 & extra lenses, because in my mind, i wanted more flexibility in my shooting, that the G-9 couldnt give, but still didnt want to carry around my D300. Actually, I was torn between buying the D-90 or just buying the wide-angle and the teleconverter lens for the G-9(i already owned the 220EX flash). I thought about it, and came to my senses..lol Why should i buy another D-SLR & extra lenses, when i ALREADY have two D-SLR's and a slew of lenses already?? Why pay the extra money for a D-SLR to be used primarily as a P&S?? That's crazy!!! So, I went with just buying the lenses for the G-9. And i'm glad i did..
I have mixed feelings about the G11 as well. Off the top, what i dont like about the G-10 & 11, are the dials at the top(mode dial & iso dial under each other). And the exposure compensation having its own dial. To me its like canon took a step backwards from the G-9(which was simplistic & straight foward in its design), when they made the G-10 & 11. When i saw the G-10, i was like what the??????? So, needless to say, i'll be keeping my G-9 for a lonnnnnnnnngggg time!!! Until canon comes out with something that REALLY catches my eye.
Enjoy your new camera...
Now, before i go any further, allow me to elaborate, i only use a P&S canon(G-9). My pro system is still NIKON!!! Before that, I used a Nikon D-70 as my "every other occasion" camera, because i didnt want to carry around my D300's. So, carrying around the G-9 makes it even better. My first digital P&S was the G-6, then i got the G-7. Then, bought a Nikon P5100(trying to stay loyal to the brand). Hated it!!! Nikon still has a long way to go in the P&S department. Then, I bought the G-9 when it came out and loved it ever since.
Like yourself, i've seen a lot of new cameras with nice features, but then i remind myself, what more am i going to use it for, that i have to get it?? Allow me to explain, and please dont think i'm telling you what to do. I dont know what you do personally or what you would use the GF-1 for, but you got the new bug. New camera, new features, i want it, gotta have it(we all get it). My question to you is, if and when you get the GF1, what will its purpose be?? Just to be a P&S?? Certainly, it wont compare to the quality of your 1D &5D. And, i'm sure you already have your canon P&S which has been doing a super job. So why would you spend extra money on a P&S, when thats all its going to be? You want great images, pick up the 1D or 5D and save yourself some money.
I was extremely, close in buying a Nikon D-90 & extra lenses, because in my mind, i wanted more flexibility in my shooting, that the G-9 couldnt give, but still didnt want to carry around my D300. Actually, I was torn between buying the D-90 or just buying the wide-angle and the teleconverter lens for the G-9(i already owned the 220EX flash). I thought about it, and came to my senses..lol Why should i buy another D-SLR & extra lenses, when i ALREADY have two D-SLR's and a slew of lenses already?? Why pay the extra money for a D-SLR to be used primarily as a P&S?? That's crazy!!! So, I went with just buying the lenses for the G-9. And i'm glad i did..
I have mixed feelings about the G11 as well. Off the top, what i dont like about the G-10 & 11, are the dials at the top(mode dial & iso dial under each other). And the exposure compensation having its own dial. To me its like canon took a step backwards from the G-9(which was simplistic & straight foward in its design), when they made the G-10 & 11. When i saw the G-10, i was like what the??????? So, needless to say, i'll be keeping my G-9 for a lonnnnnnnnngggg time!!! Until canon comes out with something that REALLY catches my eye.
Enjoy your new camera...
Sorry to say this, because I really "love" my Canon cameras, and it's painful to say this, but wow, could Canon have dropped the ball any harder, or louder?
Panasonic GF1 (mft) and Leica X1 (apsC) both outed on the same day... http://43rumors.com/
Both cameras with a prime lens in the same size range as the G11, granted it has a zoom, and yes, I know the G11 has the zoom, but as I almost never use the zoom, it does not factor as much of an advantage to me.
In Canon's defense I will say, the S90 is truly more compact, and the small size justifies the small sensor. And I might buy a S90 to have a truly compact modern camera.
And, I am so content with my 1Ds mark II and 5D mark II I don't even care what FF cameras Nikon or Sony put out. They can have my 1Ds mark II when they pry it from my cold dead hands as far as I'm concerned.
But the G11? Is it a joke? Are Canon's corporate spies asleep at the wheel? Do they really expect me to shoot with that size of a camera with such a small sensor? I guess they do.
I will be purchasing a GF1 or an X1 and it will be the first non-Canon digital camera I have ever shot. Thats right... ever shot. I have never taken a single photo with a non-Canon digital camera. Never pushed a button that did nt say Canon.
But man, Canon has lost me today, at least in the semi-compact category.
Other than the fact it will not say Canon, my dreams are coming true...
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I understand brand loyalty. Most of my cameras come from Canon, too, including my 5DII, G10, G7, S45, S70, and the soon-to-be S90. I'd love it if Canon could do a full frame compact camera, but that isn't going to happen for some time. I've also discovered how other brands, while not being 'Canon-like', have their own qualities to offer.
It might not be full frame, and has limitations of its own, but the Sigma DP2 comes close to being my own digital Contax T3. It has a 41mm fov, and produces wonderfully natural and sharp images. I can get nicely shallow DoF with it as well. Not as good as the T3, but getting there.
The X1 looks like it could be good in that direction, and the Pana GF1 with the 20/1.7 pancake looks good as well. In the meantime, my DP2 isn't perfect, but it's close enough for now.
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