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deuxcent said:
Then you have once again not done the slightest bit of reading on
the topic, have you?

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think. ;-)

dc
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Im not quite sure what u are on about.

ASBO's in my 'inner city' area are used to keep people who break the law at home with their parents.(in some cases)

Personally i would rather that they were put in prison, where they can be kept out of harms way.
Those are actually the only two choices.
George R
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deuxcent said:
tabloid said:
Not enough ASBO's where we live, with gangs of hoodies attacking
people in the streets with impunity.

I dont know anybody who has been ASOS'd that didnt deserve it.

GR
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Phew, here we go again.

Look, the only time that ive ever seen a police officer with guns in the UK was outside certain Embassies (like the Israeli embassy), and some airports.
Ive personally got no problems with that.

Phew this is hard work.

Last time that I was in California i bought a friend of mine a AK47.
He said that he preferred it to a M16 as the AK47 never jammed.
LOL

Go for it yanks.
At least nobody will burgle his house.
Just joking

LOL

George R
 
Yes, this goes a long way in preventing/minimizing confrontations/problems, no matter which country we visit or our nationality/race/social status/occupation and whether or not we are carrying/using a camera.

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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)


tabloid said:
The Uk,... especially London has millions of tourists every year.
They take pictures of Buckingham Palace, boats on the river thames,
pose with police officers, take pictures of red busses, listed
buildings, etc etc etc, and nobody has ever been arrested.
Im not quite sure where some of u guys are coming from.

BUT if u poke a camera into a police officers face and start
shouting" Allah is great"", then his reaction might be a bit
different . Ha

Parts of Ireland can be quite a sensitive place as there is a lot of
religous conflict and murders between different fractions.
My suggestion is use you loaf when u go over there.
The law may say that you have plenty of freedom to photograph what u
want, but in practice i wouldnt hide behind the law in some
situations.(in Ireland)
You have to use your common sense in all situations.
And if you really want to test yourself .....go to Mexico, and start
snapping away at the locals, and the police, and tell them that u are
a tourist exercising your legal rights.Their reaction might be quite
interesting.
LOL

UK is great, plenty of historical places to photograph you will fill
up your 16gb CF in no time..

Note PS......as far as i know Phil has never been arrested in
London when he has been going around testing cameras, and he has
photographed and video'd lots of buildings.(and im sure he uses his
common sense about these things).
Regards to all tourists
George R
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Without our firearms, Americans would still be British subjects, speaking a funny version of English, drinking cups of hot tea, and having to obey your laws, :-)

--
BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)


Tim the Grey said:
JoeyBowman said:
Every time I read one of these Anti Photography in UK threads it
really makes me not want to visit the country, or Europe for that
matter, though I have always wanted to.

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http://www.JoeyBowman.net
http://www.CherishtheMomentPhotography.net

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Know what? I keep reading much the same about the USofA, and I'm now
determined never to go there...

At least over here we don't have nutters with handguns everywhere.
--



The world's best Vulcan, XH558, after 14 years on the ground, lives
again.
http://www.tvoc.co.uk
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandfish_imagining/
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Harold66 said:
--Hello Dc
you are right of course. Common sense is getting harder and harder to
come bye these days. i will remember your advice
Thanks
H
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No its not.
If you had lived for a thousand years, you would find that nothing has changed.
People were just as ignorant then (and maybe more) than they are to-day.

People were burned at the stake all the time, and public gutting as a form of execution was quite common.

We are not perfect as a society, but at least some of us are making some head way.
I hope.
Belsen was not a great example I must admit.
But we battle on
George R
 
tabloid said:
Harold66 said:
--Hello Dc
you are right of course. Common sense is getting harder and harder to
come bye these days. i will remember your advice
Thanks
H
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No its not.
If you had lived for a thousand years, you would find that nothing
has changed.
People were just as ignorant then (and maybe more) than they are to-day.
People were burned at the stake all the time, and public gutting as a
form of execution was quite common.
We are not perfect as a society, but at least some of us are making
some head way.
I hope.
Belsen was not a great example I must admit.
But we battle on
George R
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The very basis of Democratic States, and the primary difference between Democracy and Police States, is clear, defined laws. Such laws tell the public what is and what is not acceptable. Such laws also define what the Police can and cannot do.

Ever since 2001, Great Britain, more than any other Western Country, has embraced open ended undefined laws, in which Police Power is discretionary and the public can be treated arbitrarily, at the mere whim of the individual.

These discussion we have are about photography, but personally I don't see it that way at all. They are laws which are police state precedents, that can affect anyone at any time. It's not a question of photography at all. That is merely a symptom of a much greater disease, and people like yourself have no problem with these laws, which attack the very basis of Western concepts of Freedom.

Dave
 
Chato said:
tabloid said:
Harold66 said:
--Hello Dc
you are right of course. Common sense is getting harder and harder to
come bye these days. i will remember your advice
Thanks
H
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No its not.
If you had lived for a thousand years, you would find that nothing
has changed.
People were just as ignorant then (and maybe more) than they are to-day.
People were burned at the stake all the time, and public gutting as a
form of execution was quite common.
We are not perfect as a society, but at least some of us are making
some head way.
I hope.
Belsen was not a great example I must admit.
But we battle on
George R
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The very basis of Democratic States, and the primary difference
between Democracy and Police States, is clear, defined laws. Such
laws tell the public what is and what is not acceptable. Such laws
also define what the Police can and cannot do.

Ever since 2001, Great Britain, more than any other Western
Country, has embraced open ended undefined laws, in which Police
Power is discretionary and the public can be treated arbitrarily, at
the mere whim of the individual.
These discussion we have are about photography, but personally I
don't see it that way at all. They are laws which are police state
precedents, that can affect anyone at any time. It's not a question
of photography at all. That is merely a symptom of a much greater
disease, and people like yourself have no problem with these laws,
which attack the very basis of Western concepts of Freedom.

Dave
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I dont agree.

I can stand in the middle of any road in the UK, and say in a very loud voice "f*%^ the goverment, f*^% the police" , and the only thing that I MIGHT get arrested for is bad language.
We have freedom of speech.
Its as simple as that.
And im happy with that.

The last people that seriously challenged this freedom, was a man with a funny mustache, and I dont mean Charlie Chaplin.
He lost.
We won.

Also the fact that we can all discus these items without any fear.....speaks for itself.
Regards
 
tabloid said:
Chato said:
Ever since 2001, Great Britain, more than any other Western
Country, has embraced open ended undefined laws, in which Police
Power is discretionary and the public can be treated arbitrarily, at
the mere whim of the individual.
These discussion we have are about photography, but personally I
don't see it that way at all. They are laws which are police state
precedents, that can affect anyone at any time. It's not a question
of photography at all. That is merely a symptom of a much greater
disease, and people like yourself have no problem with these laws,
which attack the very basis of Western concepts of Freedom.

Dave
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I dont agree.
I can stand in the middle of any road in the UK, and say in a very
loud voice "f*%^ the goverment, f*^% the police" , and the only
thing that I MIGHT get arrested for is bad language.
We have freedom of speech.
Its as simple as that.
And im happy with that.
The last people that seriously challenged this freedom, was a man
with a funny mustache, and I dont mean Charlie Chaplin.
He lost.
We won.
Also the fact that we can all discus these items without any
fear.....speaks for itself.
Regards
---
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Free speech, is usually the last of the freedoms that vanish. I know of NO Country that has a law banning speech I will concede that it might be possible to find one, but most of what we would call a dictatorship has no such laws (Ater all some dictatorships are dumber then others). They don't Need such a law if they can arbitrarily imprison you for any reason they choose.

You, me, everyone is protected by defined laws. Free speech? What's free speech?

Dave
 
tabloid said:
Phew, here we go again.
Look, the only time that ive ever seen a police officer with guns in
the UK was outside certain Embassies (like the Israeli embassy), and
some airports.
Ive personally got no problems with that.

Phew this is hard work.

Last time that I was in California i bought a friend of mine a AK47.
He said that he preferred it to a M16 as the AK47 never jammed.
LOL

Go for it yanks.
At least nobody will burgle his house.
Just joking

LOL

George R
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Maybe there are Guns R'Us superstores in America
--
Shay
 
And, I seldom ever leave the house, without one of my friends: Colt, Kimber or Smith & Wesson. Even some churches/places of worship, now have certain armed/well trained parishioners scattered throughout the congregation, just in case.

--
BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)


shay guevara said:
tabloid said:
Phew, here we go again.
Look, the only time that ive ever seen a police officer with guns in
the UK was outside certain Embassies (like the Israeli embassy), and
some airports.
Ive personally got no problems with that.

Phew this is hard work.

Last time that I was in California i bought a friend of mine a AK47.
He said that he preferred it to a M16 as the AK47 never jammed.
LOL

Go for it yanks.
At least nobody will burgle his house.
Just joking

LOL

George R
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Maybe there are Guns R'Us superstores in America
--
Shay
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Chato said:
tabloid said:
Chato said:
Ever since 2001, Great Britain, more than any other Western
Country, has embraced open ended undefined laws, in which Police
Power is discretionary and the public can be treated arbitrarily, at
the mere whim of the individual.
These discussion we have are about photography, but personally I
don't see it that way at all. They are laws which are police state
precedents, that can affect anyone at any time. It's not a question
of photography at all. That is merely a symptom of a much greater
disease, and people like yourself have no problem with these laws,
which attack the very basis of Western concepts of Freedom.

Dave
Click to expand...
--
I dont agree.
I can stand in the middle of any road in the UK, and say in a very
loud voice "f*%^ the goverment, f*^% the police" , and the only
thing that I MIGHT get arrested for is bad language.
We have freedom of speech.
Its as simple as that.
And im happy with that.
The last people that seriously challenged this freedom, was a man
with a funny mustache, and I dont mean Charlie Chaplin.
He lost.
We won.
Also the fact that we can all discus these items without any
fear.....speaks for itself.
Regards
---
Click to expand...
Free speech, is usually the last of the freedoms that vanish. I know
of NO Country that has a law banning speech I will concede that it
might be possible to find one, but most of what we would call a
dictatorship has no such laws (Ater all some dictatorships are dumber
then others). They don't Need such a law if they can arbitrarily
imprison you for any reason they choose.

You, me, everyone is protected by defined laws. Free speech? What's
free speech?
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Free speech is what we are doing now.

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Chato said:
Dave
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tabloid said:
We have freedom of speech.
Its as simple as that.
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You wish.

Here's a Brit who got an ASBO for putting a sign on his own commercial parking lot that said "Porking Yard." (The street had been known as Butcher's Row, similar to New York's meatpacking district, hence the pun -- but the word Porking was seen as a provocation to local Muslims.) He was made to remove the sign, and if he repeated the pun, the magistrate promised he'd send the man to jail. http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005483.php

Here's a guy who was fined for saying the word f^ k in private conversation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/4734350.stm

I know photographers who were hassled by a cop for no proper reason, a clear infringement of their freedom of expression. (Various cases and their attendant URLs in the DP Review archives.)

A Dutch Parliamentarian who'd been invited by a member of the Lords to comment on a controversial film was detained at Heathrow and put on the next plane home.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/4602261/Dutch-politician-Geert-Wilders-to-be-deported-after-being-refused-entry-to-Britain.html

A British anti-war protester who did nothing more than stuff a leaflet through his fellow tenants' mail slots was threatened with an ASBO and eviction

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/145/145612_eviction_threat_to_activist.html

But you claim you have "freedom of speech." I guess you do as long as you say or write nothing controversial, but that's not my understanding of what free speech means.

The list of violations by the government and the police is depressingly long. All you need to do to know that freedom of speech is under serious assault in the U.K. (and sometimes in the U.S.) is .... pay attention.

dc
 
BRJR said:
And, I seldom ever leave the house, without one of my friends: Colt,
Kimber or Smith & Wesson. Even some churches/places of worship, now
have certain armed/well trained parishioners scattered throughout
the congregation, just in case.
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Wimp. Me I never leave home without a flamethrower, an RPG launcher and a Crossbow.
BRJR said:
--
BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)


shay guevara said:
tabloid said:
Phew, here we go again.
Look, the only time that ive ever seen a police officer with guns in
the UK was outside certain Embassies (like the Israeli embassy), and
some airports.
Ive personally got no problems with that.

Phew this is hard work.

Last time that I was in California i bought a friend of mine a AK47.
He said that he preferred it to a M16 as the AK47 never jammed.
LOL

Go for it yanks.
At least nobody will burgle his house.
Just joking

LOL

George R
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Maybe there are Guns R'Us superstores in America
--
Shay
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--
Shay
 
Don't forget your ticket to Spain, I'm sure you wouldn't want to take any chances...

As for BRJR, tsk, tsk, other than the names he wouldn't know a gun from a bow and arrow.

Dave
 
Chato said:
Don't forget your ticket to Spain, I'm sure you wouldn't want to take
any chances...

As for BRJR, tsk, tsk, other than the names he wouldn't know a gun
from a bow and arrow.

Dave
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For sure and it was a mildly humourous post aimed at the organ grinder. To be honest I didnt expect a reply from the monkey, but there you go. You dont really register on the radar these days, especially after Veejay sold you the Brooklyn Bridge.
--
Shay
 
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